Thu 05/10/07 02:14 AM
Subject: Here is the post you refuse to read
Body: Jess642 wrote:

Question spider...

I will make a wonderful wife one day? and all the insinuations you
attached to it, is not personal?

and if you need correlation...you wrote an interpretation of what you
first quoted in your judgement of me...smacks of inconsistency...

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SpiderCMB replied:

I was illustrating that your use of "Judge Not..." was critically
flawed. Judgement is required to do just about anything. "Is that car in
front of you too close, should you apply the breaks?" I don't believe
that you would be okay with infidelity in your husband. I was showing
you that YOU DO JUDGE. It's a necessary part of life, which is why Jesus
offered instructions on the Godly way to judge others. I
wanted you to understand that your personal interpretation of that
scripture was flawed and made no sense.

I meant no insult. It was deeper than that. What I wrote was an attempt
to make you think about the scripture rather than just repeat it by
rote. Quoting the Bible isn't about picking a verse and typing it into a
post, it's understanding the context in which the scripture was written
and knowing the lesson the scripture teaches.

The rhetorical tool that I used is called "Illustrating absurdity (your
interpretation of the scripture) with absurdity (my statement that you
would accept infidelity for fear of judging your husband).

Thu 05/10/07 02:17 AM
Subject: Re: Here is the post you refuse to read

Body: Apologise.


"I apologise Jess for insinuating you would make a good wife for a
husband who was unfaithful."

"I apologise to you, that you read it as I wrote it, and my ridiculous
fumblings at justifying myself , has led you to feel I have offended
you."


Too hard to swallow some of those seven deadly sins?

For one, the sin of pride?

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It's not hard spider to admit you have done something wrong, that you
have harmed another.


And I made it easy for you...I even handed you the script.

Jess642 wrote:

So apologise for insulting me, and attempting to diminish me, and I will
consider retracting the words from other threads...

and I mean apologise, not justify.

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SpiderCMB replied:

I don't need to apologize, I didn't insult you. I'm sorry that you
can't understand the concept of a rhetorical device, but that's not my
fault. You seem to be intelligent, so I have to assume you have a
victim complex, which drives you to insist that I did.

You lied or misspoke when you said that I had told AdventureBegins to
stop posting, if anyone deserves an apology, it's me. And I mean
aplogize, not justify.

I did not say I was a christian. I said I would continue to use the
word christian when discussing my faith in christ.

When the those that follow Christ through the books of the bible discuss
his teachings several things stand out to me.

Some of those things are...
1. God is present.
2. Christ is present.
3. Love is something to be striving for.

Some things are debated hotly. Those things are the words that are
written by the disciples.

there for I see that two things are the most important parts of
Christianity (that which sprang from the very presense of christ in the
world)

God and Christ.

All else is but fluff wrapped around a mystery.

Christ is the rock I see when I walk my path. My path is in the world
not the rock. The world beyond the rock is gods and contains my path
and the rock and the bird that wings its way with utmost joy in the
place that god has provided it to fly. Beyond the rock is a forest of
trees that adds beauty to the land. Upon raising my eyes I can see the
mountians of grandure that rise above this land of wonder. In the
distance is the sound of a river, majestic in its rushing. Reeds line
its banks and fish abound.

Why should I stay within the rock that sits beside my path when the
world god shows me is so much more.

I lied? Really? How?

"in other threads" are the only words I may have gotten wrong.

Victim complex, laughable.

Are you a psychologist?

Because I am...and you are dangerously close to slander...

Jess642 wrote:

It's not hard spider to admit you have done something wrong, that you
have harmed another.

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SpiderCMB replied:

I can't admit to something that I didn't do, that's called lying.

You lied about me and claimed that I had told AdventureBegins to stop
posting and you haven't apologized, so it must be pretty hard for YOU to
admit that you have done something wrong.

spider, that is the second time you called someone a liar.
Do you live with the delusion that you can say just about anything in
here? It's an insult, do you know that?
Jess and AB are people that are honest to themselves and therefore
don't have the ability to lie to others.

Spider you did tell me to stop posting about Christianity.

You said not to make statements about christainity.

Making statements on this electronic medium is posting.

No doubt about it.

therefor what you said was do not make posts (statements) about
christianity.

Jess642 wrote:

1) I lied? Really? How?

2) "in other threads" are the only words I may have gotten wrong.

3) Victim complex, laughable.

4) Are you a psychologist?

5) Because I am...

6) and you are dangerously close to slander...

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SpiderCMB replied:

1) By typing a lie

2) The whole thing was wrong. You said "in other threads...you have
asked AB not to post...I have read it." I asked him to not make
statements of faith for Christians. I have explained this, even though
it is an incredibly simple concept.

3) No, it's actually sad.

4) No

5) A psychologist who doesn't know what a rhetorical device is? That's
really sad.

6) Not even close. First, Slander is verbal, libel is written. Second,
see point 2. You lied. I didn't ask him to not post, I asked him to
not make 'Statements of Christian faith". Non-Christians shouldn't make
a statement like "Christian's believe..." or "The source of Christian
faith is..."

Statement: The act of stating or declaring.

AdventureBegins declared a fact about Christianity that wasn't true. I
asked AdventureBegins to not do that.

VERY simple.

Now it's the third time you called someone a liar.
Do you really think 2 wrongs make 1 right.
You show the real face of being a socalled christian here.

Invisible,

It's only an insult if it's not true. I can't help that she made
libelous statements about my previous posts, but it is a lie, even if
that makes you a sad panda.

Sad Panda? Ay, but only sad for you that you can't see the
difference between right and wrong.
You are a sad little creature there, standing in a corner,
back to the wall and trying to fight the truth about what you said

Spider wrote.

Statement: The act of stating or declaring.

AdventureBegins declared a fact about Christianity that wasn't true. I
asked AdventureBegins to not do that.

VERY simple.
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What statement did I make that was not true.

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What you actually said was for me not to post about christainity.

AdventureBegins wrote:

Spider you did tell me to stop posting about Christianity.

You said not to make statements about christainity.

Making statements on this electronic medium is posting.

No doubt about it.

therefor what you said was do not make posts (statements) about
christianity.

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SpiderCMB replied:

You have amazingly long arms to reach that far!

FROM YOUR POST...

Statement 1: All things christian have but two real sources. God and
Christ.

Statement 2: The bible is not either.

Statement 3: It is the written words of men.

Statement 4: Decided upon by a council of men.

Statement 5: Translated by men.

Statement 6: Read my mankind.

Statement 7: but the rock of christianity is Christ.

Statement 8: My faith is based upon the glory of god.

Statement 9: I have no religion.

Each statement conveys a different idea. Each one is a statement of
YOUR beliefs, except one. The first statement is you stating what
Christians believe. I didn't tell you to not post, I said "I would ask
you to not make statements of what Christians believe. The reason for
this is that you are not a Christian and therefore you have no place
making those statements. I only make statements about my own religion, I
don't try to make statements about others religions or lack thereof."

Your feeble attempts to make me into some kind of bad guy are really
starting to bore me.

The statement I made about Christianity...

All things christian have but two real sources.

God and Christ.


What part of the above statement is not true?

AdventureBegins wrote:

The statement I made about Christianity...

All things christian have but two real sources.

God and Christ.


What part of the above statement is not true?

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SpiderCMB replied:

I have already explained this, read John 1. All things Christian have
ONE source. Jesus. All things came into being through Jesus. Jesus is
our High Priest. Jesus is called "the Word" because HE inspired the
Bible. Everything we know about God was given to us by Jesus through
HIS Word.

John 1:1-5
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being
through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come
into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The
Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
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I did not say 'Christians beleive' that all things Christian have but
two sources.

God and Christ

I have no idea what Christians believe.

I said all things Christian have but two sources.

God and Christ.

This is my belief.

In what way did I state it was the belief of Christians?

Why must you insist that a duck is a monkey.

AdventureBegins,

Christian is not the singular form of Christians in your mind?
Seriously, what are you smoking? These hairs cannot be split any finer.

AdventureBegins wrote:

What part of the above statement is not true?

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AdventureBegins wrote:

I did not say 'Christians beleive' that all things Christian have but
two sources.

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SpiderCMB replied:

So which is it, you didn't make the statement or it's true? I really
can't figure it out, because you have defended both positions.