"Above all, gain understanding"

Pretty powerful stuff!

Spider, I hope you above all recognise this quote!

Spider>

You never attacked. You have called me a lier. You actually asked my
not to post about christianity. Have I ever asked you not to post?

You have actually told a person here that what they believed about
scriptures was in error and needed correcting just a few posts above.

I submitt to you that if someone has a different interpretation of a
portion of the bible that you respect their difference and allow them
their belief. Let god sort them as none of us has the knowledge of god.
Or the right to judge what another has obtained from his holy books in
the measure of their cup.

Yes, I see the difference Spider.

While others show their conviction with faith in what they belief,

you show yours with the bible in your hand, reciting what you

should believe because it's written there.

AdventureBegins,

Spider>

You never attacked. You have called me a lier. You actually asked my
not to post about christianity. Have I ever asked you not to post?

You have actually told a person here that what they believed about
scriptures was in error and needed correcting just a few posts above.

I submitt to you that if someone has a different interpretation of a
portion of the bible that you respect their difference and allow them
their belief. Let god sort them as none of us has the knowledge of god.
Or the right to judge what another has obtained from his holy books in
the measure of their cup.

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SpiderCMB replied:

"I have NEVER attacked anyone's religious convictions" You can't just
cut three words from a quote and pretend like it's accurate. The only
reason you had to cut those three words is because the full quote is the
truth, twisting my quote allows you to attack me unfairly.

I didn't ask you to not post, once again, please be honest. I asked you
not to make statements about what Christians believe. It's only fair
that only Christians should take comments on what Christians believe.
What, are you a mind reader? Do you read the Bible? Do you go to
church?

You said "All things christian have but two real sources."

That is stating what Christians believe, which was incorrect. John 1
teaches that Jesus created everything.

I will correct a non-Christians who misinterprets the Bible. I was a
slave to sin for 33 years, because I believed incorrect interpretations
of Biblical scriptures. I don't see any reason NOT to correct someone
who interprets scripture in such a way that it is nonsense. I cant't
even imagine the attacks that would be fired at me if I tried to
intrepret the Koran. I haven't attacked any of the Catholics here, even
though I strongly disagree with them. Why? Because I haven't seen one
of them quote scripture and offer a false interpretation. Truth
matters. Matthew 7:1-6 has an accepted meaning, because when you read
the scripture in context, it makes perfect sense.

Ummm, Spider you have...in other threads...you have asked AB not to
post...I have read it.

And one of the things I have learnt from AB, over the past six months,
(we know each other from another site) is his consistency, and his
honesty.

He does not exaggerate nor fabricate.

Invisible wrote:

Yes, I see the difference Spider.

While others show their conviction with faith in what they belief,

you show yours with the bible in your hand, reciting what you should
believe because it's written there.

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SpiderCMB replied:

That argument is so weak, it doesn't deserve a response. I am
responding anyways, because I think you actually believe what you just
wrote. You really believe that my statements are offensive becasuse I
quote the bible. So if I don't quote the Bible, I won't be attacked by
you guys? Don't make me laugh. I quote the Bible, because it is the
source of Christian doctrine. Christians follow Christ. Since Jesus is
dead, the only way to follow him is to read the book that he left for
us.

Jess642,

Oh, I think I know the answer, but I will ask anyways. Would you care
to quote me telling AB to not post anymore? Perhaps prove a link to the
thread?

Who is attacking you?
The only one who continually attacks others is you, slapping the bible
in their face.
You don't have faith enough to go without your bible? Fine.
But using it as a weapon against others is wrong.

If AB is not all ready on to it, it would be my pleasure, spider.

Ok you want the whole quote...
Spider wrote...

AdventureBegins,

First, I would ask you to not make statements of what Christians
believe. The reason for this is that you are not a Christian and
therefore you have no place making those statements. I only make
statements about my own religion, I don't try to make statements about
others religions or lack thereof.
________________________________________________________________
I can make whatever statements I wish based upon my beliefs. My beliefs
place christ at the apex of prophets within the cycle of prophets
therefore I will make statements as to the validity of the religion
founded in his name. Though I do not follow that religion I do have
faith in the prophet that is its rock for he is also my rock.

My place! Sir my place is where I choose it to be.

You have stated that you will correct a person that has made a
misenterpretation of biblical scriptures. Fine. Please do not correct
me as I do not quote biblical scriptures.

Jess642 wrote:

Ummm, Spider you have...in other threads...you have asked AB not to
post...I have read it.

And one of the things I have learnt from AB, over the past six months,
(we know each other from another site) is his consistency, and his
honesty.

He does not exaggerate nor fabricate.

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SpiderCMB replied:

Here is what I wrote (you can read the whole post on page 2 of this
thread): "First, I would ask you to not make statements of what
Christians believe. The reason for this is that you are not a Christian
and therefore you have no place making those statements. I only make
statements about my own religion, I don't try to make statements about
others religions or lack thereof."

Here is Adventurebegins interpretation of what I said: "You actually
asked my not to post about christianity."

Did he exaggerate or fabricate?

You know that I didn't tell him to "not post about christianity", so you
suggest that I did it in other threads.

Ummm any discourse comes in the form of a post.

To ask him not to make any mention of christianity as he is not one, is
the same thing.

We have one medium here, unless you want to fit the bill for
international conference call...we all post.

he does not exaggerate and was within reality by saying you asked him
not to post.

You cannot prove, nor reduce AB...integrity is his strong point,
twisting and adapting words is your forte Spider.

Spider>

My 'statement' was a post.

You asked me not to make such statements.

Ergo you are asking me not to post on that subject.

Twisting and turning the words of others to suit his needs, that is
exactly what I said in another thread already.
As long as he doesn't see it for himself, he will not change
and it is fairly pointless to say it time and again.

AdventureBegins,

Please think about what I am going to say before you reply.

You are suggesting that you can make states like "Christians believe..."
Not that you can comment on what Christians beleive, but that you can
make statements of Christian belief and doctrine. You have to
understand, that is simply not logical or fair. You aren't a Christian,
how can you speak to what Christians believe? Yes, there is a lot of
different Christian beliefs, but it is for Christians to present them,
not non-Christians. Doesn't that seem more fair to you than for
everyone making statements of faith for other peoples religion? When
you say "Christians believe..." you are also saying "SpiderCMB
believes...". Would you be okay with me saying "AdventureBegins
believes..."? I don't think you would and it would be wrong for me to
do that, regardless.

Spider! AB and I do not always agree, but, I nust tell you that he is a
man of principle, and a very honest man..

If you are going to make a statement that can be construed differently
by different people, you are just as well not to offer it at all..

I certainly drew, from your post, that you asked him not to post on
christianity!

I believe in Christ..Ergo:..I am every bit a christian as you profess to
be..Without the venom!!

Spider>

I challenge you to show where I have said 'Christians believe'

I posted my beliefs. I have never said 'Christians believe...'

I have no idea what 'Christians' believe. Each one as do I have their
own interpretation of what inspires them in their beliefs.

How than could I be so egotistical as to say what they believe.

AdventureBegins said "All things >>>>>christian<<<<<< have but two real
sources."

(You admittedly aren't a Christian!)

I said "First, I would ask you to not make statements of what Christians
believe. The reason for this is that you are not a Christian and
therefore you have no place making those statements. I only make
statements about my own religion, I don't try to make statements about
others religions or lack thereof."

How can that be more clear? If you don't belong to a religion, you
shouldn't be teaching what they believe. If you can't admit that what I
have said is fair and logical, then you lack intellectual honesty.

Please make any comments you want about Christianity, but statements of
faith should only be made by believes of the religion, not outsiders.
That applies to all religions, not just Christianity.

Spider wrote...

You know that I didn't tell him to "not post about christianity", so you
suggest that I did it in other threads.


How do you profess to know what I know?

Where do you get off being so smug and self assured to even begin to
know what I know.

Small minded and judgemental...arrogant and egotistical.