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It was a good laugh.I think the writer forgot the trillions in debt Obama has given the American people which is nearly a all time record.Obama reminds me of a 16 year old Paris hilton with a purse full of credit cards.Charge everything and throw the credit card statements in the garbage can.Whats a measly $13,000,000,000,000?Spend,spend,spend and spend some more.Recession?Spend,spend,spend some more.I suppose if we took Obama's ideas when we go broke we should go spend,spend,and max out our credit cards.We can spend our way out of debt!
Give Obama a darwin award.He needs it. |
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what in the bible displays why it's either a book of fables, fact, fakery,forklore or fantasy when presenting a passage or whatever to present your point of view as being "fact"..please include an explanation that doesn't sound delusional along with proof that it is fact...if not then that places it into the category of fantasy I would respond but knowing you are going to argue and deny every word I say I would rather not waste my time. |
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Shall I predict that no evidence will be presented to show the correlation with religion?
Correlations: An examination of events which highly correlate the so-called Religious Right organizations to Christian values which have created an oppressive and dangerous environment for the youth of today. Let me begin with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXAQKuBwESc Sarah Silverman – Message To America – On Gay Suicide. Dear, America. When you tell Gay Americans that they can’t serve their country openly, or marry the person that they love, your telling that to kids too. Don’t be ‘f….ingshocked and wonder where all these bullies are coming from that are torching young kids and driving them to kill themselves because they’re different. They learned it from watching you.
NOM - National Organization for Marriage Gathering Storm TV Ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp76ly2_NoI 
MAGGIE GALLAGHER FOUNDED NOM IN 2007 In a book entitled “The Abolition of Marriage,” Gallagher equates same-sex marriage with adultery: “…American family law has been rewritten to dilute both the right and the obligations of marriage, while at the same time placing other relationships, from adulterous liaisons to homosexual partnerships, on a legal par with marriage…”
June 15, 1998 – Senate Majority Leader, Trent Lott in an interview with radio talk show host Armstrong Williams After answering the question of homosexuality being a sin, Lott said Yeah it is. You should still love that person. You should not try to mistreat them or treat them as outcasts. You should try to show them a way to deal with that problem, just like alcohol, sex addiction, or kleptomanics. There are all kinds of problems, addictions, difficulties, experiences of things that are wrong, but you should try to work with that person to learn to control that problem…
The “problem” is inequality, not an addiction, not a disease, or a mental illness. But it is publicized widely in demeaning ways that homosexuality is a ‘problem’ something to be CURED – and a huge religiously funded public campaign promoting so-called "reparative therapy" flooded the media, churches and communities and continues 12 years later. – Can ya feel the love? Also 1998 – Dr. Robert Garofalo, a Boston pediatrician who authored a health study of gay teens last spring, complained to the Boston Globe that the recent ad campaign, was "a complete misrepresentation" of his research on substance abuse and other high-risk behavior. Garofalo told the Globe he believes the disproportionate risk of gay youth for substance abuse and suicide are the result of alienation gay teenagers face in a "culture that is often unaccepting." Religious Right groups attributed the problems to homosexuality itself, which Garofalo calls "the complete opposite conclusion of what the paper actually concluded."
An intentional misrepresentation of studies and research has been rampant by church authorities and powerful anti-gay Christian groups. Although the unethical and immoral messages are openly disputed by those whose work has been plagiarized, that is never what Christians remember. The misinformation is continually regurgitating by ‘Christians’ as authoritative support for their prejudicial views, long after its falsehood is proven. The more widely this misinformation is used and promoted by church authorities, the greater the belief that prejudice and discrimination are not only warranted by Christians but a requirement of their doctrine. In 1998 - Christians falsely,and knowing better, “ equated homosexuality with pedophilia. The Family Research Council's Bob Knight falsely asserted that the Employment Non Discrimination Act would extend legal protections to pedophiles. Parents are told that gays and lesbians are out to molest their children. Gay rights groups are falsely accused of supporting legalization of pedophilia, when in fact every major gay organization denounces it as criminal. "...one of the primary goals of the homosexual rights
movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the 'prophets' of a new sexual order." - "Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys," FRC publication, July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf <<<< >>>"homosexuals are included in a list of sinners, who, if unrepentant, will not inherit the kingdom of God." - Family Research Council press release about Matt Shepard's funeral, on the day of the funeral, October 16, 1998, http://www.frc.org/press/101698.html. The release implied that a gay person who had not yet become, or tried to become, an "ex-gay" was "unrepentant."<<<< >>>"Homosexuals have never been forced to sit in the back of the bus. They are as privileged a group as any. To compare their attempts to affirm deviant sexual conduct to the legitimate discrimination claims of true minorities is a sham," said FRC Director of Cultural Studies Robert H. Knight - FRC's CultureFacts, July 28, 1999, http://www.frc.org/culture/cu99g4.html<<< >>>"homosexual behavior is extremely unhealthy, contributing to the spread of AIDS, hepatitis A, B and C and other sexually transmitted diseases….A study of more than 6,400 obituaries in homosexual publications reveals that homosexuals typically have far shorter life spans than the general population. Other reports indicate that homosexuals are more likely to have drug and alcohol abuse problems. It is unfair to force businesses to pay the extra insurance expense and lost productivity that inevitably results from homosexual behavior." [Editors note: the source for this "research" is the discredited Dr. Paul Cameron - see below for extensive information about his extreme beliefs] - Robert Knight, Family Research Council, testifying at ENDA Hearings, July 29, 1994 - committee on Labor and Human Resources, US Senate. Christians today still quote from totally discredited Cameron who even lost his standing with American Psychological Association and his reputation among his peers. A host of Religious Right leaders, including D. James Kennedy, Gary Bauer, James Dobson (Focus on the Family), Beverly LaHaye (Concerned Women for America), Don Wildmon (American Family Association), and Richard Land (Southern Baptists) signed an open letter, printed as a newspaper ad, attacking American Airlines. Gary Bauer's claim that the airline's anti-discrimination policies somehow actively promoted discrimination against religious employees were so ridiculous that the airline's own Christian employees' organization disavowed it. American Airlines officials met with Religious Right leaders but rejected demands that they discontinue marketing to the gay community.
Poisonous message
In 1997 the Religious Right acted as the single, loudest voice promoting intolerance against gays and lesbians. Religious Right leaders like Pat Robertson (Christian Coalition Founder), Gary Bauer (Family Research Council), Beverly LaHaye (Concerned Women for America), and Jerry Falwell used all the pulpits available to them – including TV, radio, direct mail, and the internet – to spread the poisonous message that hatred of gays and lesbians is not only acceptable, it is required of "godly" people. The Christian Coalition's Randy Tate contributed to the major Christian campaign which continues to embrace the message of “love the sinner, hate the sin”. This campaign message of, ‘love’ but not accept thy neighbor, found refuge with huge portions of Christians who were suffering the effects of cognitive dissonance from previous hate message campaigns. The wide acceptance by Christians emulates to near perfection how church authorities manipulate the masses. Exemplified in the quote below is representation of how ‘love’ and ‘compassion’ can be turned into acceptance and enforcement of discriminatory policy. "I think that as Americans, and particularly as a person of faith, that we need to extend Christian charity to all individuals. That doesn't mean in the public policy realm that we need to extend special privileges to individuals based on their private sexual behavior."
— Hardball with Chris Matthews, August 11, 1998 http://www.cwfa.org/articles/19257/MEDIA/family/index.htm
Prop 8 Case strikes at the heart of democracy 2010 “Citizens of California voted to uphold marriage because they understood the sacred nature of marriage and that homosexual activists use same-sex ‘marriage’ as a political juggernaut to indoctrinate young children in schools to reject their parent’s values and to harass, sue and punish people who disagree. NOTE OF REFERENCES: I tried to make sure anything other than my own words were placed in quotes and in-text citations privided. If a quote is lacking citation it was one of several that were retrieved from the following: http://www.pfaw.org/media-center/publications/anti-gay-politics-and-the-religious-right Anti-Gay Politics and the Religious Right. A Report by the People For the American Way Foundation I end where I bagan, with what Sarah said so well. Sarah Silverman – Message To America – On Gay Suicide. Dear, America. When you tell Gay Americans that they can’t serve their country openly, or marry the person that they love, your telling that to kids too. Don’t be ‘f….ingshocked and wonder where all these bullies are coming from that are torching young kids and driving them to kill themselves because they’re different. They learned it from watching you.
Ahhh,Red. I know you mean well, but you missed the point of my post entirely. I really didn't think that my words were that clouded, unless one takes them out of context or paraphrases. MiddleEarthling's OP only "supported" his already biggoted viewpoint in his mind. There still has been no correlation established between those reported suicides and Religion. Would you have used his quoted source in support of the topic if you read this statement??? "And if he was straight he likely wouldn't have contemplated -- not to mention successfully accomplished -- his own suicide by jumping off the George Washington Bridge." This isn't the first time he's done this either. Now I'm afraid you spoon-fed a bible-thumping Atheist information that may promote his anti-religion bigotry, while not encouraging him to think for himself. But then again, that may be your agenda too.... I certainly may have misread, it was quite late when I read though this thread and I apologize if you or anyone here felt my post was a direct accusation on any single individual in these threads. I was just attempting to address with facts, what I thought was the subject. Hoewever, I hope that those who read it can see a broader message about group think and about 'community'. That community which creates the BEST environment for children and adults is a community in which every member is equally valued for their contribution and their character and not based on what a moral directive that a self-proclaimed authority figure has decided it should mean. No I would not have used the source in the OP. But I still agree with at least one message it brings - that there IS correlation between the suicide rate of kids, especially homosexuals and religion. Those who will say that bullying has always gone on, that all kids are bullied, it's a part of life you learn to deal with it, are making excuses. And furthermore, when you hear the verbalizations of kids bullying suspected or known homosexual kids, it is not because it part of some "acceptible" normal ritual rather, it comes from the discrimination they see around them. Also, I can't imagine why any person in their right mind would 'accept' their child beeing tortured, harrassed, and bullied for years and say to the kid - "it's ok, it happens, you'll get over it." But listen to those same people sing a different story when that bullying comes from GANG affilation. How do they think gangs get started? It's difficult in a forum, such as this, to demonstrate completely the connection. There is 30 years of history from which my conclusions where made, I only went back to 1990's and I only gave a tiny sample of the support behind my opinion. Good grief I can't believe I am reading this kinda of stuff from adults.I can only imagine you some of you must have lived some extremly sheltered lives from the real world safely tucked under mommy and daddies wing. Everyone is going to get harrassed,bullied,and insulted in school no matter who you are.I could probably write a novel on all the names,insults and harrasment I dealed with going through school.I was once expelled from a public school for simply having long hair.Yet you don't hear me crying a river.You don't see me jumping off a bridge just like the millions of others who have to deal with this crap. What you and others seem to constantly fail to realize is Christianity is a very big part of many peoples lives who feel lost with out it.There is no doubt that Christianity more than anything else has stopped a lot of gays who were going to kill themselves but stopped because they went to church or converted to Christianity.I also don't feel like gays are going to kill themselves because Christians are living in the United states. Since you won't accept it or acknowledge it I will say it again.Christians are the majority in this country and every law,bill,and statute passed to help the gays were passed by Christians.You cite California's no vote on gay marriage yet you seem to be blind to the fact it was nearly a tie.A large number of Christians were voting yes on the other half(even though they shouldn't be doing so).You can say it was all Atheist but I say BS since Atheist only make up less than 10% of the population and not everyone of them will vote for gay marriage. Your nauseating quotes from various people is totally useless in here.They are totally useless because it is someones opinion from people nobody has heard of and nobody cares about.Who cares?For every 100 posts you give I can give you 100 more from Christians that are pro gay.It's nothing but a waste of time. I think you start to backing up some of your non sense with facts.I don't believe for a second that gays are committing suicide because of Christianity.Show me some statistics.Christians are not going to stop someone from being gay. |
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You should read about Obama's father.He is a real work of art.He was married to 4 different women and had children by all of them.He skipped out and abandon 3 of his wives and their kids.Was a alcoholic who killed a man in a drunk driving accident.A second drunk driving accident cost him both of his legs.
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I figure John might if he is lucky get 2% of the vote.Would be fun watching him waste his money trying.
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For those interested here are some Atheist Charities for you. Atheist Charities Posted Wednesday, December 05, 2007 by Techskeptic This is the season of giving, as they say. There are a lot of religions who use this time of year for reflection, charity and general goodwill. I dont see why atheists can't also use this time of year to be benevolent. Any time of year is good of course, but personally I find winter solstice to be one of the most uplifting days of the year, so why not? I've been asked often why there aren't any atheist charities. Of course, as usual, people are just presuming or parroting things they heard. Of course there are atheist charities. And like in my videos post, I am considering charities that do not promote a specific religion to be an atheist charity. I found most of these at the Internet Infidels discussion board (and copied descriptive text from there, apologies if that was a problem). But I thought a nice list would be better, plus I added a few more. There are useful sites like CharityNavigator to help you sort through all the charities out there. If there are comments proposing ones that I missed (and surely there are plenty), I will add them to this list, if they are highly rated (not that all of these are). So here goes: UPDATE 2009: I apologize for not refreshing this list. No time this year. Please feel free to leave some more a-theist charities for me to include in future versions in the comments.Please read the comments for more and add your own! I know there are more good secular charities out there that I have missed. I also recommend donating so some of the excellent critical thinking podcasts out there. Secular Charities and Aid groups: DonorsChoose.org a simple way to provide students in need with resources that our public schools often lack. Kiva.org lets you connect with and loan money to unique small businesses in the developing world. The Union of Concerned Scientists The leading science-based non-profit working for a healthy environment and safer world. American Red Cross The American Red Cross, a humanitarian organization led by volunteers, guided by its Congressional Charter and the Fundamental Principles of the International Red Cross Movement, will provide relief to victims of disasters and help people prevent, prepare for, and respond to emergencies. The USA's premier emergency response organization, over 91% of Red Cross spending is on charitable services. American Civil Liberties Union The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of constitutional protections and guarantees relating to First Amendment rights, including the freedom to practice religion and the freedom not to have religion rammed down our throats, equal protection, due process, and right to privacy. United Nations Children's Fund UNICEF mobilizes political will and material resources to help countries, particularly developing countries, ensure a "first call for children" and to build their capacity to form appropriate policies and deliver services for children and their families. UNICEF provides emergency and disaster relief. Doctors without Borders Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is an international independent medical humanitarian organization that delivers emergency aid to people affected by armed conflict, epidemics, natural and man-made disasters, and exclusion from health care in nearly 70 countries. Amnesty International AI’s vision is of a world in which every person enjoys all of the human rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other international human rights standards. In pursuit of this vision, AI’s mission is to undertake research and action focused on preventing and ending grave abuses of the rights to physical and mental integrity, freedom of conscience and expression, and freedom from discrimination, within the context of its work to promote all human rights. Oxfam International Oxfam International is a confederation of 12 organizations working together with over 3,000 partners in more than 100 countries to find lasting solutions to poverty, suffering and injustice. The Oxfams operate in over 100 countries worldwide working with local partners to alleviate poverty and injustice. The Nature Conservancy The Nature Conservancy is a leading international, nonprofit organization dedicated to preserving the diversity of life on Earth. An environmental group that protects natural habitats and the wildlife within them. Focuses on "science-based" initiatives. Population Connection Population Connection is the national grassroots population organization that educates young people and advocates progressive action to stabilize world population at a level that can be sustained by Earth's resources. Works against faith-based policies that are supported by the Religious Right. DefCon: Campaign to Defend the Constitution DefCon is an online grassroots movement combating the growing power of the religious right. It includes a blog on religious freedom issues, action alerts, and in-depth articles on scientific, religious, and legal issues of the day. The SEED foundation National nonprofit that establishes urban public boarding schools to prepare students from underserved communities for success in college. Project Peanut Butter Project Peanut Butter is a therapeutic feeding program for malnourished children in Malawi and Sierra Leone, on the continent of Africa. It was founded by Professor Mark Manary, M.D., a pediatrician at St. Louis Children’s Hospital and a professor of pediatric medicine at Washington University School of Medicine. Electronic Frontiers Foundation When our freedoms in the networked world come under attack, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is the first line of defense. Blending the expertise of lawyers, policy analysts, activists, and technologists, EFF achieves significant victories on behalf of consumers and the general public. EFF fights for freedom primarily in the courts, bringing and defending lawsuits even when that means taking on the US government or large corporations. Mercy corps Mercy Corps exists to alleviate suffering, poverty and oppression by helping people build secure, productive and just communities. Seva Our programs serve people who have been economically, politically, or otherwise marginalized. We change our program approach to relate to their culture and circumstances, reaching out in very different ways, for example, to nomads in Tibet, women in Tanzania, or indigenous Mayans in Guatemala. Our aim is to build a bridge of compassion between our donors and the people we serve — people around the world who have the fewest resources. International Peace Institute The International Peace Institute (IPI) formerly International Peace Academy is an independent, international institution dedicated to promoting the prevention and settlement of armed conflict between and within states through policy research and development. Issue-Specific Secularist Organizations Anti-Discrimination The ADSN Project. The Freethought Society of Greater Philadelphia's Anti-Discrimination support network (ADSN) is collecting narratives highlighting instances of bigotry against the nontheist community. Southern Poverty Law Center SPLC is internationally known for its tolerance education programs, its legal victories against white supremacists and its tracking of hate groups. The Alternatives to Marriage Project The Alternatives to Marriage Project (AtMP) advocates for equality and fairness for unmarried people, including people who are single, choose not to marry, cannot marry, or live together before marriage. Pro-choice organizations Planned Parenthood Federation of America Provides reproductive health care services, advocates for women's reproductive rights, and offers educational services for women. NARAL Pro-choice America Focuses mostly on the social and legal activism for women's abortion rights. Womens Health Organizations EngenderHealth an international nonprofit organization that has been working for 60 years to make reproductive health services safe, available, and sustainable for women and men worldwide. Ipas an international organization that works around the world to increase women's ability to exercise their sexual and reproductive rights, and to reduce abortion-related deaths and injuries. Teen Pregnancy Reduction National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy Sadly this charity is rated with only 2 stars due to low efficiency. However their goal is highly respectable and needed, to prevent teen pregnancy and unplanned pregnancy among single, young adults. HIV/AIDS Treatment Action Campaign campaign for treatment for people with HIV and to reduce new HIV infections. Our efforts have resulted in many life-saving interventions, including the implementation of country-wide mother-to-child transmission prevention and antiretroviral treatment programes. U.S. Military Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers Challenging the myth that "there are no atheists in foxholes." There certainly are. Gay rights Lambda A national non-profit gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender (GLBT) agency dedicated to reducing homophobia, inequality, hate crimes, and discrimination by encouraging self-acceptance, cooperation, and non-violence. Lambda Legal The legal arm of the Lambda organization that protects GLBT civil rights through impact litigation, education and public policy work. Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation Dedicated to promoting and ensuring fair, accurate and inclusive representation of people and events in the media as a means of eliminating homophobia and discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation. Human Rights Campaign Large organization working for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender equal rights. School vouchers National Education Association (NEA) on school vouchers Provides several arguments for the case against private school vouchers. Pledge of Allegiance Restore the Pledge Support Michael Newdow in his quest to remove the phrase "under God" from the official Pledge of Allegiance, coercively recited by millions of schoolchildren every day. Evolution/Creationism in the science classroom National Center for Science Education Great resource with current news and resources (including the famous "Project Steve" list!) on defending evolution and science against pseudoscience advocates. Texas Freedom Network The Texas Freedom Network advances a mainstream agenda of religious freedom and individual liberties to counter the religious right Boy Scouts of America discrimination against atheists, gays Scouting For All Composed of mostly former Boy Scouts, it is working to influence the BSA to include all participating youth members and leaders regardless of religious beliefs or sexual orientation. Children in Poor countries PlanUSA an organization committed to helping children, their families and communities in 49 developing countries around the world. Internet tools Wikipedia a multilingual, Web-based, free-content encyclopedia project. The name "Wikipedia" is a portmanteau (a combination of portions of two words and their meanings) of the words wiki (a type of collaborative Web site) and encyclopedia. Wikipedia's articles provide links to guide the user to related pages with additional information. Church/state separation and secularist organizations Americans United for Separation of Church and State A national watchdog organization (with local chapters all around the U.S.---find one near you!) dedicated to preserving religious liberty. It is open to theists and nontheists of all kinds, and is headed by a minister with the United Church of Christ (Rev. Barry Lynn) who can be seen often in the national media and news stories centering on church/state separation issues. American Civil Liberties Union (click on the "Religious Liberty" link) A favorite target of the Religious Right. The ACLU defends civil liberties on many fronts including church/state separation, personal privacy, and legal protection through due process. Look for a local chapter in your area to join. People for the American Way Progressive group that supports secular values in government. PFAW is an activist organization and PAC (political action committee) working to battle such groups as the Christian Coalition. Click the "Religious Freedom" link for action alerts and information. Freedom from Religion Foundation Great organization that defends the rights of nontheists in courtrooms, sponsors a fun-filled annual national convention, and publishes the popular "Freethought Today" (magazine written by and for freethinkers). Godless Americans Political Action Committee Endorses and supports U.S. political candidates that support secular values in government and the rights of "godless Americans." We will have our "seat at the table" in formulating public policy. Atheist Alliance Democratic association of various individual atheists and atheist organizations. It is a great all-around resource for all-things atheist. Interfaith Alliance Alliance of leaders of various religions, worldviews, and beliefs that includes Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, agnostics, atheists, et al. It works to promote religious freedom for everyone regardless of religious beliefs as well as civic participation and civility. Nontheists can find theist allies here. American Atheists Controversial atheist organization started by the infamous Madalyn Murray O'Hair. Today it fights for the complete separation of church and state, as well as for the rights of atheists in America. Secular Coalition for America Vast coalition of secular and freethought organizations (including the Internet Infidels!) dedicated to sending lobbyists to Washington, D.C. to gain support for protecting the rights of nontheist Americans. Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science Explores the causes of religious belief, promotes science in public schools, maintains a list of public lecturers, sells pro-secularist books and other media, and facilitates the giving of humanitarian aid to organizations that are completely secular in nature. Europe National Secular Society Supports secularism in the UK, as well as church-state separation. Rationalist Association The Rationalist Association is a focus for rationalist thought and debate in the UK and worldwide. The RA is the UK's leading freethought and rationalist book publisher. Australia Atheist Foundation of Australia, Inc. Something for our friends Down Under -- lots of good information, book lists, humor, etc. Organizations that promote humanism/Atheism Center For Inquiry The purpose of the Center for Inquiry is to contribute to the public understanding and appreciation of science and reason, and their applications to human conduct. Council for Secular Humanism Large organization that offers support for secular humanists through activities such as magazine publishing, conducting secular ceremonies (weddings, funerals, etc.), educational courses, and summer camps for kids that teach critical thinking skills and secular ethical values. American Humanist Association Promotes the spread of humanism and furthering of the humanist philosophy in the U.S. by working with and/or establishing like-minded organizations. The Continuum of Humanist Education Online courses available for humanists in areas such as law, science, ethics, and secular humanist philosophy. The Institute for Humanist Studies (IHS) A think-tank that offers news, opinions, information, and humor relating to humanism. It works to spread public awareness and acceptance of humanist principles. British Humanist Association The largest provider of humanist ceremonies in England and Wales. Offers services for weddings, funerals, and baby-namings as well as general resources on humanism and support for humanist organizations. Humanist Association of Canada Provides secular officiants, information, services, and support for humanists in Canada. Positive Atheism Comprehensive resource for positive atheists to learn about atheism, history, philosophy, religious freedom, and responsibility. Unitarian Universalist Assocation A popular "church" for atheists, agnostics, deists, very liberal Christians, etc. Check your local yellow pages for one in your community or use this website's handy Congregation locator. The Brights A movement endorsed by several prominent nontheists to adopt a new term ("Brights") with an accompanying philosophy to describe secularists, freethinkers, atheists, naturalists, etc. with the intent of putting forth a positive, and less-stigmatized, perception of ourselves. Many nontheists have encouraged its use, while many others reject it. The Objectivist Center A controversial philosophy founded by Ayn Rand that embodies particular principles on various philosophical, political, economic, and religious issues. Objectivists generally are atheists, but atheists are generally not Objectivists. Skeptic Society Learn how to live life free of nonsensical beliefs, and develop your own scientific and critical thinking skills. Also publishes a popular monthly magazine, SKEPTIC, which can be found in major bookstores. Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP) Investigates extraordinary claims from a scientific and rational perspective. CSICOP also puts out a popular monthly magazine, Skeptical Inquirer, found in major bookstores. American Ethical Union (AEU) The American Ethical Union (AEU) describes "Ethical Culture" as a humanistic religious and educational movement inspired by the ideal that the supreme aim of human life is working to create a more humane society. International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU) IHEU is the sole world umbrella organization for humanist, atheist, rationalist, secularist, skeptic, laique, ethical cultural, freethought and similar organizations world-wide. Internet Infidels A nonprofit educational organization dedicated to defending and promoting a naturalistic worldview on the Internet. They offer thousands of outstanding essays, reviews, and critiques, covering everything from articles of general interest to scholarly papers by prominent nontheistic philosophers, scientists, historians, and others. Unlike most of our opponents, we even publish responses to our own pieces to encourage readers to make up their own minds. In addition to such encyclopedic resources, other features of the site are outlined in the Secular Web pamphlet, which readers may download, print out, and distribute, as desired. The majority of what you are mentioning are not charities but legal originations who are not working for everyone but catering to a specific group of people.People like the ACLU do not work for free.They are not volunteers.They are no different than any other paid lawyers and hardly a charity.A great deal of what you presented are dozens of countries coming together for a common cause.What does this have to do with Atheist charities?Anything with the United nations(which many mention the UN)can't possibly be considered Atheist since the majority of countries in the UN are Christian majority countries. Since you obviously just cut and copied from some stupid anti Christian website with out reading you would realize that groups catering to a specific group of people(such as gays,and Atheist)are not working for the good of everyone and are formed to have a negative agenda against Christianity.Once again this is hardly a charity. I checked into a few of your larger so called Atheist charities I have heard of.I didn't find any that said they were found by Atheist or were Atheist related.One was dead wrong. Mercy corps.... http://www.urbanministry.org/org/mercy-volunteer-corps Called and missioned by God, the Mercy Volunteer Corps staff, board members, and volunteers commit to the values of compassionate service, a simple lifestyle in community, and spiritual growth. The mission of Mercy Volunteer Corps is rooted in the Christian tradition and inspired by Catherine McAuley's commitment to following Jesus through compassionate service. In partnership with the Sisters of Mercy of the Americas, Mercy Volunteer Corps is dedicated to connecting lay women and men with people who are economically poor or marginalized. Committed to this mission of mercy, we seek to respond as a community to the tremendous disparities of wealth and power in our world. |
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hell as i have stated in another post the qur'an has moses as a muslim,actually the first muslim.funny thing though with moses in any religion,how did abraham play a part in the three religions...muslim,christianity and judism?this even makes it even funnier if abraham came from a sumerian city called UR,then how in the hell did god say adam and eve were the first in his torah he gave moses? The Holy bible is the only true bible.The Old testament has hundreds of predictions that were fulfilled.What does the quran have?Nothing.Islam hijacked parts of the Old testament and wrote their own twisted,warped book.The fact Islam mentions Jesus Christ only makes the case for Christianity stronger.You have 3 billion plus who believe Jesus Christ was who he said he is,and another 1.5 billion from another religion who acknowledge he was a real person.The Holy bible does not acknowledge any other religion or the people they speak about. |
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cowboy let your god explain gravitational singularity let your god tell me how fast the event horizon around a blackhole is going...did he guess 3,000,000 miles per hour let your god explain how a pulsar is so dense that spoonfuls weight is in the tons let your god explain the theory of relativity by einstien let your god explain that if gravitional singularity wasn't real then how did he become...oh here comes the frat house answers also how come your god can't and didn't answer the most unanswered question ever,other planets? also ask your god how come a proton star collapses on itself then it becomes a blackhole which in a nebula the gases and matter in it become a galaxy let me guess it isn't important as long as we don't question him,but i did and nothing Why would i ask him any of that? None of that is of any importance whatsoever. Why don't you read the first book of Genesis?God tells us why he created what he did and why. |
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it seems to solve or define any such matter, one would have to clearly define "sin", but if and how can this be possible, for it was so VERY CLEARLY written, "what be sin for ONE, be not sin for another"? for it as well state, "let him without sin cast the FIRST STONE". did not SAY TO NOT CAST A STONE? so, they "feared jesus", since they thought he was "god", and so "their own guilt", or fear of their own "lacking" being exposed, MADE THEM NOT JUDGE THE PROSTITUTE? and walk away? so, THAT WHICH HATH GUILT, BE AFRAID OF "GOD", OR WHAT REPRESENT "AUTHORITY", SO BE AFRAID TO JUDGE WHAT BE HARMFUL BEHAVIOUR TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING? awh, but the very belief's have come to have having to do with what be actual "caring" about human's or humankind. such has always been the case since the inception of human existence, and why the strong delusion that "to judge" be a "sin", when any free place, or happy place, or place without chaos, could not exist without exercising GOOD JUDGEMENT... even when "jesus" defended a prostitute, a "****ING SINNER", all pun inteded, he made sure not to tell anyone NOT TO JUDGE, but himself DID NOT JUDGE HER, for WHAT BODILY HARM HAD SHE INFLICTED UPON ANOTHER HUMAN, as she was but a believer in MUTUAL CONSENT OF CONSENTING ADULTS, and thus why "jesus" did not condem her... he knew the TRUE VIPER'S, the HATER'S, were the GUILTY, for why was she "guilty", for NOT BEING SATISFIED WITH HER HUSBAND, for who look for anonther, THAT BE GIVEN ALL IT NEED, OR WANT? hum... That be an interesting take on that story. Did not the laws of man declare that both parties be stoned to death? Did they not claim to catch her "in the act"? Why then, did they not bring the man too? Was that man one of them? Did they think Jesus was God? Or merely a heretical rabbi? Did Jesus judge her? Yes he did, and told her to "sin no more".... That is exactly right.If you would do some research on the stoning issue it is actually quite complex.You had to have at least two witness's.Both the man and the woman would be arrested.Then the two guilty people stood trial in front of the high priests and witness's.If the two people were found guilty both the man and the woman were to be put to death at the hands of the two people who witnessed them(who often objected along with many members of the church).If they were to be executed they were thrown off a large cliff.If they survived the fall the two witness would throw large rocks down at them.Despite this being a law you will only find one instance of a man being stoned in the bible and it is for a Christian in the New testament being stoned by a bunch of Jews for blasphemy.Repentance of sins and forgiveness would save you a death sentence for adultery and other sins which is why you never read stories of people being stoned. In any case the man who brought this woman broke many rules including not bringing the man she was having sex with and not allowing a court trial. Jesus did judge this woman because he said "he who is with out sin may cast the first stone".He did not say she was not guilty.He did not say do not stone or judge this woman.He did not say the stoning law was irrelevant,null,and void.He simply was saying all have sinned(which the penalty is death)and all have been sparred by forgiveness.Like peter said he also said "Sin no more" which is a second conformation that he did judge and acknowledge her adultery. |
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...like I said ALL members of a society Keep preaching brother a HUMAN is a HUMAN no matter what race color or where he comes from. We need to be the example for the rest of the world and help out the people in need even if they are not from this country It's that frame of thought that has resulted in a 40 dollar aspirin at the hospital.17 million illegals racking up billions in hospital bills with no insurance and walking out giving the tax payer the middle finger.Maybe if we didn't have a tens of millions of freeloaders with no insurance who pay taxes we could get a 10 cent aspirin since the hospitals wouldn't be paying billions in free medical care. Kind of ironic and stupid they have spent years on this health care debate and have not spent a single day figuring out why it cost's 35,000 dollars for simple surgery.I think anyone with a brain would question why everything is so expensive and start from there.Yet the idiots in our government just want to put millions of people in to this system with out addressing the 40 dollar aspirin and the 90 dollar box of tissues. 
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cowboy let your god explain gravitational singularity let your god tell me how fast the event horizon around a blackhole is going...did he guess 3,000,000 miles per hour let your god explain how a pulsar is so dense that spoonfuls weight is in the tons let your god explain the theory of relativity by einstien let your god explain that if gravitional singularity wasn't real then how did he become...oh here comes the frat house answers also how come your god can't and didn't answer the most unanswered question ever,other planets? also ask your god how come a proton star collapses on itself then it becomes a blackhole which in a nebula the gases and matter in it become a galaxy let me guess it isn't important as long as we don't question him,but i did and nothing Why would i ask him any of that? None of that is of any importance whatsoever. OK, How about this one, "How do you feel about the millions who died becasue of you in your name?" "How do you feel about the wars and genocide in your name?" "Why is it right to pray in your name when we are supposed to have no other Gods?" "What honestly makes you any better than me?" How are those for questions for Jesus here and now? Matthew 5:10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matthew 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. There are no Wars or genocide in Jesus's name.There is no justification for starting a War as both God and Jesus command us not to kill and to forgive our enemy. I don't see the point in praying to Gods who doesn't exist. I think Christians are much better than any other people of any religion and much more better than Atheist.I believe this by their extremely generous support for people around the world who they have never met.Your not going to find a single Atheist charity out there. |
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seriously scientist have not only proved that atoms are the creators but actually went further to prove subatomic particals build even them and they can break them down even further.the difference between atheist and jesus freaks is atheist have actual people use shovels to dig for the truth,jesus freaks have a book...yet jesus freaks will say"you believe in books also"of course i do cause they actually used a shovel not a book Scientist are probably accurate on their predictions maybe 5% or less if that.If I have learned anything from scientist I have learned that their predictions and theories are completely worthless.If they can prove with out a doubt what they speak I will believe it. Here is some more brilliant theories... Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 "I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year." The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957 "But what ... is it good for?" Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip. "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 "Professor Goddard does not know the relation between action and reaction and the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react. He seems to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high schools." 1921 New York Times editorial about Robert Goddard's revolutionary rocket work. "You want to have consistent and uniform muscle development across all of your muscles? It can't be done. It's just a fact of life. You just have to accept inconsistent muscle development as an unalterable condition of weight training." Response to Arthur Jones, who solved the "unsolvable" problem by inventing Nautilus. "Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil? You're crazy." Drillers who Edwin L. Drake tried to enlist to his project to drill for oil in 1859. "The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives." Admiral William Leahy, US Atomic Bomb Project. "This fellow Charles Lindbergh will never make it. He's doomed." Harry Guggenheim, millionaire aviation enthusiast. "Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau." Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929. "Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value." Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre. "Man will never reach the moon regardless of all future scientific advances." Dr. Lee De Forest, inventor of the vacuum tube and father of television. "Everything that can be invented has been invented." Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899 "Louis Pastueur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction." Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872 "The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the instrusion of the wise and humane surgeon." Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria, 1873 "If I had thought about it, I wouldn't have done the experiment. The literature was full of examples that said you can't do this." Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives for 3-M "Post-It" Notepads. "So we went to Atari and said, 'Hey, we've got this amazing thing, even built with some of your parts, and what do you think about funding us? Or we'll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work for you.' And they said, 'No.' So then we went to Hewlett-Packard, and they said, 'Hey, we don't need you. You haven't got through college yet.'" Apple Computer Inc. founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get Atari and H-P interested in his and Steve Wozniak's personal computer. "Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?" H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927. "I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's falling on his face and not Gary Cooper." Gary Cooper on his decision not to take the leading role in "Gone With The Wind." "A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make." Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields' Cookies. "We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out." Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962. "Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible." Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895. |
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religious books are complex writings, I have seen both sides nitpick verses out of context to prove a point here is the counter from muslims who believe christians to be hypocrites http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac12.htm#links both sides have determined haters who make a point of seeking out such passages, and ignoring the passages which might counter their argument,, Christians don't call for the murder of any non believers. extreme christians(like abortion clinic bombers or abortion doctor assasins) surely do and one who is determined can CERTAINLY find verses in the bible that they can claim prove GOD himself did so So what?People have killed people because they took LSD and said their cat in the corner of the room told them to do it. This whole stupid debate bringing in Christianity is pointless.It's pointless because the Christian bible specifically commands NOT TO KILL.It specifically says to forgive and to turn the other cheek.There is no justification for killing anyone for any reason using the bible for reference.It is this reason why the 3 billion Christians in this world are not killing people all over the world on a daily basis in the name of Jesus Christ. Islam on the other hand specifically does command to kill nonbelievers and killing in the name of Islam is justified using the Koran.A person can kill another person or many people and claim he was justified for doing so. I have said it many times before.People worrying about getting killed by a demented Christian is the last thing they are worried about.I think the odds of someone being killed by a demented Christian using the bible for justification is probably about 300 million to one. |
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By Bishop Gene Robinson "Posted: October 15, 2010 02:49 PM How Religion Is Killing Our Most Vulnerable Youth An increasingly popular bumper sticker reads, "Guns Don't Kill People -- RELIGION Kills People!" In light of recent events I would add religion kills young people: gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender young people. Perhaps not directly, though. And religion is certainly not the only source of anti-gay sentiment in the culture. But it's hard to deny that religious voices denouncing LGBT people contribute to the atmosphere in which violence against LGBT people and bullying of LGBT youth can flourish. The news is filled with the tragedies of teenaged boys who were gay and decided to end their living hell by committing suicide. Maybe they weren't even gay, but merely perceived to be by their peers, who harassed, taunted, and threatened them unmercifully. These were real kids with real names. Asher Brown, an eighth grader in Texas, shot himself in the head after endless bullying by classmates and despite attempts by his parents to get school authorities to take his harassment seriously. Seth Walsh hung himself from a tree in his California backyard after relentless bullying by classmates. Asher and Seth were 13-years-old. Billy Lucas, a 15-year-old high school freshman from Indiana, was only perceived to be gay. But the unrelenting bullying ended with him taking his own life. Seven students in one Minnesota school district have taken their own lives, including three teens. With the exception of Brown in Texas these suicides are not happening in Bible Belt regions of the country, where we might predict a greater-than-usual regard for religious thought. Instead, they are occurring in states perceived to be more liberal on LGBT issues: California, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Rhode Island. The case of Tyler Clementi is especially instructive about how far we have to go in accepting our gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender children. Clementi was an 18-year-old freshman at Rutgers University whose roommate secretly filmed a sexual encounter he had with another male student and then posted it on the internet. Think about it. If Tyler had been heterosexual and instead filmed having sex with his girlfriend, it would still be an inappropriate invasion of his privacy and tasteless to post the video online. And it certainly would have been embarrassing for Tyler and the girl. But chances are he would have been the recipient of some congratulatory remarks from friends about what a stud he was. And if he was straight he likely wouldn't have contemplated -- not to mention successfully accomplished -- his own suicide by jumping off the George Washington Bridge. No, Tyler was a victim -- not of an inner disturbance of depression or mental illness--but of an external and in part religiously inspired disdain and hatred of gay people. Despite the progress we're making on achieving equality under the law and acceptance in society for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, why this rash of bullying, paired with self-loathing, ending in suicide? With humility and heartfelt repentance I assert that religion -- and its general rejection of homosexuality -- plays a crucial role in this crisis. Religious Right hatemongers and crazies are spewing all sorts of venom and condemnation, all in the name of a loving God. The second-highest-ranking Mormon leader, Boyd K. Packer, recently called same-sex attraction "impure and unnatural" in an act of unspeakable insensitivity at the height of this rash of teen suicides. He declared that it can be cured, and that same-sex unions are morally repugnant and "against God's law and nature." More.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bishop-gene-robinson/how-religion-is-killing-o_b_764568.html Funny I don't remember how any of these deaths were in any way related to Christianity or members of a church.Blaming Christians for these deaths has nothing to do with anything.What is your big mouth going to say if I told you the people that set up these cameras were Atheist? Tsk,Tsk,Tsk. Ha, they don't need anymore than their faith and their book to cling to. These are cowards who will not face facts..face life. It's overwhelming the hatred that comes from the religious right wing nut-baggery. Just the ignorances are enough to poison a society then their "messengers" who taunt gays and others for the way they were born add to the demise of a civil and just society. I for one will not accept hate groups like churches that preach hate and ignorances that harm people. I also don't accept these "not me" Christians who then turn a blind eye to their leader's words and actions. THIS is how people like Hitler and the Dippic were supported into power...ALL from Christians who think they are doing "god's work". If your quotes are good for anything they are good for a laugh.I think you should look a the countries where gays are the most free to live their lives they way they want to and where they are most happy.It is hardly a secret that the countries where gays are most happy and free are overwhelmingly Christian countries not Atheist countries where they are the most prosecuted. It is also no secret that Christians have held a majority on voting issues since this country was formed.Gays are allowed to live free and do what they like because of laws and bills passed by Christians not Atheist.It wouldn't matter if all the Atheist in America vote yes or no on a bill it wouldn't make a bit of difference. If the gays had any brains they would be thanking the Christians for their tolerance towards the gays and acceptance.Atheist and Muslim countries have no tolerance and often put gays to death when they are found. |
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By Bishop Gene Robinson "Posted: October 15, 2010 02:49 PM How Religion Is Killing Our Most Vulnerable Youth An increasingly popular bumper sticker reads, "Guns Don't Kill People -- RELIGION Kills People!" In light of recent events I would add religion kills young people: gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender young people. Perhaps not directly, though. And religion is certainly not the only source of anti-gay sentiment in the culture. But it's hard to deny that religious voices denouncing LGBT people contribute to the atmosphere in which violence against LGBT people and bullying of LGBT youth can flourish. The news is filled with the tragedies of teenaged boys who were gay and decided to end their living hell by committing suicide. Maybe they weren't even gay, but merely perceived to be by their peers, who harassed, taunted, and threatened them unmercifully. These were real kids with real names. Asher Brown, an eighth grader in Texas, shot himself in the head after endless bullying by classmates and despite attempts by his parents to get school authorities to take his harassment seriously. Seth Walsh hung himself from a tree in his California backyard after relentless bullying by classmates. Asher and Seth were 13-years-old. Billy Lucas, a 15-year-old high school freshman from Indiana, was only perceived to be gay. But the unrelenting bullying ended with him taking his own life. Seven students in one Minnesota school district have taken their own lives, including three teens. With the exception of Brown in Texas these suicides are not happening in Bible Belt regions of the country, where we might predict a greater-than-usual regard for religious thought. Instead, they are occurring in states perceived to be more liberal on LGBT issues: California, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Rhode Island. The case of Tyler Clementi is especially instructive about how far we have to go in accepting our gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender children. Clementi was an 18-year-old freshman at Rutgers University whose roommate secretly filmed a sexual encounter he had with another male student and then posted it on the internet. Think about it. If Tyler had been heterosexual and instead filmed having sex with his girlfriend, it would still be an inappropriate invasion of his privacy and tasteless to post the video online. And it certainly would have been embarrassing for Tyler and the girl. But chances are he would have been the recipient of some congratulatory remarks from friends about what a stud he was. And if he was straight he likely wouldn't have contemplated -- not to mention successfully accomplished -- his own suicide by jumping off the George Washington Bridge. No, Tyler was a victim -- not of an inner disturbance of depression or mental illness--but of an external and in part religiously inspired disdain and hatred of gay people. Despite the progress we're making on achieving equality under the law and acceptance in society for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, why this rash of bullying, paired with self-loathing, ending in suicide? With humility and heartfelt repentance I assert that religion -- and its general rejection of homosexuality -- plays a crucial role in this crisis. Religious Right hatemongers and crazies are spewing all sorts of venom and condemnation, all in the name of a loving God. The second-highest-ranking Mormon leader, Boyd K. Packer, recently called same-sex attraction "impure and unnatural" in an act of unspeakable insensitivity at the height of this rash of teen suicides. He declared that it can be cured, and that same-sex unions are morally repugnant and "against God's law and nature." More.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bishop-gene-robinson/how-religion-is-killing-o_b_764568.html Funny I don't remember how any of these deaths were in any way related to Christianity or members of a church.Blaming Christians for these deaths has nothing to do with anything.What is your big mouth going to say if I told you the people that set up these cameras were Atheist? Tsk,Tsk,Tsk. |
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lol... not a mushroom round be found, lol... indeed abra, such hath not been created yet, but spring break hath not arrived, lol... if one sip cold water, doth it judge the water to be cold? if one walk outside, doth it judge the temperature? the human brain judges everything? if it did not, IT WOULD BE INSANE? so, since "they" try NOT TO JUDGE, unsanity ensue? it didnt say, "DO NOT JUDGE"! it added to it MORE.... to create a QUESTION? to create a philosophical dilemma? again, who that does not wished to be judged, hath any self correcting ability? human's are self correcting entities? THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RIGHT? awh, but they atre becoming so less each day, for the very notion of that if one declare or stand for justice, it's own "sins" will be held against it? but that which makes it own behaviour as NOT OK, hath judged itself, SO THEN NO REASON FOR GOD TO JUDGE IT? it hath become an adult, SELF CORRECTING ITSELF, BY RECOGNIZING AND HEEDING ANY NEGATIVE PULSE IN IT'S BODY ABOUT IT'S OWN BEHAVIOUR OR WORDS? so, self judge itself? self hit wall, self judge that hurt? self's judgement then created knowing? furthermore, the text ALSO decalre, "to judge all things"? BUT IT IS THOUGHT IT COMMAND, ***DO NOT JUDGE***??? lol... it said BOTH, ON PURPOSE, TO MAKE SELF MAKE THE CHOICE, OR FOR SELF TO BE THE 'JUDGE'... to not judge anything, lol... unsanity, which indeed is what shall be created more each day for the poor sucker's whom subscribe to such, AGAIN, ONLY TRAPPED INTO SUCH BECAUSE THEY SEEK GOOD FOR SELF, OR A FREE PASS ON ANY CONSEQUENCE OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS. do not judge, lol... that would mean no human action would be judged as "good or bad"? so, any human action would BE ACCESSED AS GOOD, NO MATTER WHAT IT WAS? lol... that would mean child molestation WOULD NOT BE JUDGED AS "NOT GOOD"? but, the book says NOTHING ABOUT NOT MOLESTING A CHILD, SO IT MUST BE OK, OR GOOD? the book give "two sides" of every coin, on purpose, to allow the reader's "motive" to decide it's own action's? "give unto ceaser what be ceaser's"? the law is ceaser's is it not? but, the law once said, ok to enslave blacks and burn witches? so, these that did not ensalve blacks, and burn witches, broke a "commandment"? all the words in the book, are for the pupose of "actually creating false motive", to carry mankind thru "false motive" into "pure motive".... so they would actually be able to recognize what false motive was... there are only to root first motives that create all things into existence... either self motive, or total motive of good for other's before self... there is no in between, to get to enlightenment, or freedom of mind. the brain actually filter data, as it pass thru the mind, thru either self motive, or motive of good for others more? hence the saying, "a house divided against ITSELF, cannot stand"? whats the "house"? the human brain. what be the divide? self, or good for other's? human's being torn between the two? self motive define all things thru HOW WILL THIS EFFECT ME? "others best" motive, define thru "how will this effect them" so, all data, seen or heard within TOTAL environment, BE FIRST FILTERED THRU THE BRAIN VIA "HOW DOTH THIS EFFECT ME"? A NATUTRAL OCCURENCE, to bring to a later FILTER OF "HOW WILL THIS EFFECT THEM"? IF ANYTHING READ A BOOK, AND READ IT THRU "HOW WILL THIS EFFECT OTHER'S", there will be a TOTALLY DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION THAT READING IT THRU "HOW WILL THIS EFFECT ME"? the natural inclination is to try to do BOTH, OR SOME GOOD FOR SELF, AND SOME GOOD FOR "OTHERS", OR BE DIVIDED? as the population increase, the intensity of accumulative collective human energy increase, therefore making the DIVIDE, OR BI-POLAR MORE PRONOUNCED. the only escape in the end, will be "true motive of other's first"... hence "the first shall become as last"? as the "self motive" declare itself FIRST.... first to get good, have good, have heaven, have forgiveness, have absolution, have have have... so these shall fall prey to all manner of mental disorder's, to reduce to need of forsaking self good, for common good instead, thus then NEW BRAIN FILTER BASICALLY... all data is heard differently then... this be the actual escape hatch from all things that planet earth will create itself, as the cosmos begins to position itself for the passing away of night and day, for spring break, or paradise on earth, but none gets out the hatch, until it wants to push al other's thru ahead of itself, thus creating "world love"... for indeed, the minds of ALL man are all recieving "first thought", or they would not BE ALIVE... yes, it appears as though breath CREATE LIFE, but FIRST "thought" induce the BODY TO BREATH... even so, all things that hath breath are of god, and always were, no matter what it may appear this moment...' that which has been the most evil, will be the first to become enlightened, not the other way around as religion so wishes to believe for themself as FIRST. for remember, it was the 'thief', that was to be in paradise? and it was "religion" that killed jesus. lol... its as if a tether as a wire is connected to each human head, just as the ambilical cord in birth, each one connected to it's own higher self, or it's master clone, self being the lessor clone of itself, and as it walk, data is filtered or defined, thru the ME motive, or "other's" motive, and all data defined thru the "me" motive as days progress, shall become increasing very misleading, as we march toward the end of the cycle. IF ONE THINKS THINKS IN THE TRADITONAL WAY OF "GOD AND THE DEVIL", god help them.... devil, lol..... nothing but self hearing first thoughts in it's mind, then, IF IT WANTS MOST FOR ITSELF, it shall interpret them thru this? the "carnel mind"? in other words, the definition of all things, BE WHAT THE FIRST MOTIVE IS, and then the human act out with physical action the definition they decided for themself. again, ONLY "SELF MOTIVE", or self good most, RAPE, TORTURE, MOLEST, LIE, STEAL, ALL SUCH THINGS THAT "TAKE" FROM ANOTHER FOR "SELF"? SO, THE MOST ROOT OF ALL EVIL, BE "SELF MOTIVE", OR SELF GOOD ALONE PURPOSED AS GOOD? lol... a way to naturally create a built in system into human's themself, to create some of darwin's theory, the strong survive... BUT, text, or god, god only being reckoned unto 'GOOD MOTIVE', deem strong as caring for other's, or this as of stronger "character".... so, STRONGER CHARACTER in the end actually survive and morph with the evolution of the human species.... don't worry, spring break will set all accounts in order, and those that wish not to be judged, well, not the best seat to be sitting in for the party... any mortal with honor seeks it's own lacking with all dilligence, for if it care about any other than itself, than it wants to know how to care more, and doth not despise correction or feedback from another that sayeth "ouch". for what seeks to find it's own error, become as wise, but that which seek to prove no error in itself, become more in error each day, unto dumb and mute of all wisdom. that is why the If you didn't ramble on so much, you would get a more clear response from people. ========================================== furthermore, the text ALSO decalre, "to judge all things"? BUT IT IS THOUGHT IT COMMAND, ***DO NOT JUDGE***??? =========================================== Never does God tell us to judge anything. It's not judging weather the water is cold, it's deciding weather it's cold. And in the same manner we are not to judge one another, for it is not us who decides if they are in the wrong or not. Cowboy I think you are having a hard time understanding what is blind and wrongful judgment and what is righteous and biblical doc terned judgment. You also seem to never reply to what Jesus said when he said "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).What is Jesus saying to you?He is saying #1 Blind judgment with out facts is wrong. #2 We are suppose to judge using righteous judgment(knowing the facts). I am growing tired of explaining this to you as I already have no less than 5 times already.If Christians are not supposed to judge anyone for any reason what is the purpose of the bible telling us to stay away from and not to associate with adulterers,drunks,murders,homosexuals,thieves,and the hundreds of other ungodly,unholy,the bible talks about?If you truly believed Jesus was talking about not judging anyone for any reason then we would accept everyone despite how wicked they were living their lives and never reprehend them,never tell them what they were doing was biblical wrong? Answer me this?If you saw the pastor of your church coming out of a strip club would you turn a blind eye and ignore it or would you confront the pastor and tell him what he was doing was wrong and sinful?Would Jesus turn a blind eye or scold the pastor?I know what Jesus would do and he would not ignore what he just saw. Who was Jesus baptized by?John the baptist.Was John not using righteous judgment when he was screaming at King Herrod by telling him he was a sinner by involving himself in an adulterous relationship?Jesus didn't think so.You think Jesus would say John was a sinner for calling King herrod an adulterer?He would not because Herrod was a married man and was having a affair with his niece.Much like a court case the evidence has been presented and the party has been found guilty. Real Christians judge and should judge anyone(especially other Christians)who are presenting themselves as ungodly,unholy,and unrepentant of their sins.This is our main duty as Christians.To educate the general public about what the bible expects of them,to explain to them what they are doing is wrong,and to avoid unholy and unrepentant sinners. |
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Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.' 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom' 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!' 'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.' 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.' 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.' |
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Jesus said "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).
"He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD" (Proverbs 17:15). "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them" (Ephesians 5:11). Leviticus 19:15. "You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. But in righteousness you shall judge your neighbor." "I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner -- not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore 'put away from yourselves that wicked person'" (1 Corinthians 5:9-13). "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?" (1 Corinthians 6:1-5). "And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15). "Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5). "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18). |
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How the Most Misquoted Verse in the Bible Is Destroying America Tolerance mongers seem to have found the one absolute truth they are willing to live by. How many times have you heard someone say, "Judge not lest you be judged"? The statement has become the great American open-mindedness mantra when anyone has the courage to declare that someone else's belief, actions or lifestyle is morally amiss. Another form of the same non-judgmental judgment is "that may be true for you, but it's not true for me." The logic behind the statement goes something like this: "Your truth is your truth and my truth is my truth. We are both right, and I hold to my opinion of truth." The last time I checked, it was impossible for two chairs to occupy the same space around my dining room table, but evidently such rules of time, space and logic don't apply to tolerance philosophy. Postmodernism's live-and-let-live concept of truth argues that even two opposite and wholly contradictory claims can both be true. This is as stupid as saying that black and white are the same color. Yet, it clarifies the absurdity of the postmodernism we are all supposed to blithely accept as the fundamental principle by which we respond to each other's ideas-the "please and thank-you" of philosophical respect. So beware. If you dare claim that another person's truth is not, in fact, truth but is, in fact, wrong, you are not only being intolerant but you are also being-Mantra forbid!-judgmental. In his book, True for You, But Not for Me, Paul Copan describes the fallacy in this all too common thinking: It has been said that the most frequently quoted Bible verse is no longer John 3:16 but Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." We cannot glibly quote this, though, without understanding what Jesus meant. When Jesus condemned judging, he wasn't at all implying we should never make judgments about anyone. After all, a few verses later, Jesus himself calls certain people "pigs" and "dogs" (Matt 7:6) and "wolves in sheep's clothing" (7:15). … What Jesus condemns is a critical and judgmental spirit, an unholy sense of superiority. Jesus commanded us to examine ourselves first for the problems we so easily see in others. Only then can we help remove the speck in another's eye-which, incidentally, assumes that a problem exists and must be confronted. Those that tell you not to judge, quoting Matthew 7:1 grossly out of context, are often some of the most mean-spirited, judgmental souls you could ever meet. It's not, of course, that they don't want anyone to judge anything because they want very much to judge and condemn your commitment to lovingly speak and practice your Christian worldview. You see how these tolerance rules work? We must tolerate them, but they don't have to tolerate us. The logic is consistent, anyway. Today's postmodern culture of adults and students is so consumed by non-judgmentalism that there are some who say we should not even call wrong or evil the terrorists that attacked America on September 11, 2001. In a Time magazine essay entitled "God Is Not on My Side. Or Yours," Roger Rosenblatt offers the philosophical underpinnings of the live-and-let-live rule for global terrorism: One would like to think that God is on our side against the terrorists, because the terrorists are wrong and we are in the right, and any deity worth his salt would be able to discern that objective truth. But this is simply good-hearted arrogance cloaked in morality-the same kind of thinking that makes people decide that God created humans in his own image. The God worth worshipping is the one who pays us the compliment of self-regulation, and we might return it by minding our own business. At least the "arrogance" of recognizing the difference between right and wrong is "good-hearted," even if the reactions to it aren't. Alison Hornstein, for instance, is a student at Yale University who observed the disconnect between tolerance and reality. Writing on "The Question That We Should Be Asking- Is Terrorism Wrong?" in the December 17, 2001 issue of Newsweek, Alison noted, "My generation may be culturally sensitive, but we hesitate to make moral judgments." While that might be putting it mildly, she goes on to say: Student reactions expressed in the daily newspaper and in class pointed to the differences between our life circumstances and those of the [9/11] perpetrators, suggesting that these differences had caused the previous day's events. Noticeably absent was a general outcry of indignation at what had been the most successful terrorist attack of our lifetime. These reactions and similar ones on other campuses have made it apparent that my generation is uncomfortable assessing, or even asking whether a moral wrong has taken place. Hornstein further describes how on September 12th- one day after Islamic extremists murdered more than 3,000 people on American soil- one of her professors: did not see much difference between Hamas suicide bombers and American soldiers who died fighting in World War II. When I saw one or two students nodding in agreement, I raised my hand. …. American soldiers, in uniform, did not have a policy of specifically targeting civilians; suicide bombers, who wear plainclothes, do. The professor didn't call on me. The people who did get a chance to speak cited various provocations for terrorism; not one of them questioned its morality. If Americans don't start to judge and punish evil instead of accepting all ideas and beliefs as equal, we will become a nation that welcomes same-sex marriage, polygamy, pedophilia, incest, euthanasia, and likely a host of moral aberrations so bizarre they're still hidden in the darkest reaches of the Internet. I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say, "you know we are not to judge people; even the Bible says 'judge not lest you be judged'." Americans had better start getting comfortable with politically in-correct, non-humanistic forms of making intelligent judgments on moral issues because even if we don't make them, I'm concerned there is Someone very willing to hold our nation accountable for what we allow. And He doesn't respond well to intimidation, name-calling, flawed logic, or being quoted out of context. By Brannon S. Howse Distributed by www.worldviewweekend.com Posted: 07/21/05 This is a excellent topic that is very miss understood and used by every Atheist and other anti Christian to insult Christians by telling them they are judging. God and Jesus didn't forbid judging they encouraged it.Any time you are dealing with a good or bad person you have to judge them to determine if you should stay away or assoicate with them.If we truly were not to judge then we would never tell anyone they were a sinner,never tell anyone what they were doing was ungodly,unholy,or biblical wrong,we would embrace and assoicate with all people regardless if they were a serial killer,robber,rapist,etc.The bible clearly states on nearly every page what kind of people we should avoid and what kind of people we should associate with. What Jesus was talking about is condeming a person with out knowing anything about them.Some good examples would be...calling a woman a prostitute simply because of the way she was dressed,calling someone a bum because they smell,assuming someone is a drunk because they are walking out of a bar etc.Another good example would be for a person to go to a court hearing and a judge saying he was guilty before the trial even started.This is the judgement Jesus was talking about. Rightous judgement is never wrong.Judging people by their actions and their own admissions is not wrong.The bible tells us not to assoicate with murders,prostitues,socerrers,and unbelivers.So if someone tells me he is a Atheist or he or she practices witch craft.Then I am not wrong when I tell them I am not going to assoicate with them because they are a Atheist or practice witch craft. Jesus said "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24). "And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15). "He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD" (Proverbs 17:15) "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them" (Ephesians 5:11). Leviticus 19:15. "You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. But in righteousness you shall judge your neighbor." "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?" (1 Corinthians 6:1-5). "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18). "But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6). |
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Would America be better off if we killed all the lawyers? I mean to the last one... Would we be better off? I got to wonder about this! What is the difference between a dead lawyer and a dead cat? Skid marks before the cat. |
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