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Tue 01/11/11 08:21 PM
Tithing is not required but Christians should be doing it anyways.Tithing frequently goes to food banks,helping starving children,bills for the church,and world wide ministries.If you are not tithing you are not helping the Christian mission and only putting finical strain on the church.


God does say what you give will be multiplied many times over.This does not mean you should expect to see paychecks coming into your mail box from God every time you tithe but he does reward you I firmly believe that.Christians waste money on everything from beer to speakers.I don't think giving 10% to God is unreasonable.

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Tue 01/11/11 08:12 PM
All they have to do is throw a few homosexuals and cross dressers in the mix at the funeral.We all know you can't protest homosexuals with out getting arrested,slapped with a hate crime,and sued by the ACLU.

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Tue 01/11/11 08:10 PM

He loved reading Hitler's book. That's right-wing.
He loves guns=right wing thing
He likes Palin=right wing thing
He hates the government=right wing thing

What part of this psycho is liberal?..How many liberal people shoot people from their own party?.



You people really are in a world all your own.I know facts are painful especially when they are the shooters own words.Deny them all you want.All your doing is making yourself look like a idiot but as you wish.


He likes Palin???You have any evidence to back that up?That is nothing but a lie.


Only the right wing likes guns huh?Wow!!!!!I guess all the criminals have to do is commit robberies in Democrats houses and liberal cities and they will never have to worry about getting shot.

laugh noway


Considering 1 in 4 Americans own guns that is a pretty lame statement.



Hating the Government is a right wing thing huh?When Bush was President all I heard was you leftist complaining about everything and everyone.Your still whining and complaining from everything from the Wars to 9/11.



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Tue 01/11/11 07:24 PM

5 Reasons That The AZ Shooter Jared Loughner Is A Teabagger
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Post by Casey Gane-McCalla in NewsOne Original on Jan 10, 2011 at 4:53 pm

Jared Loughner may not have attended a Tea Party rally or registered with any Tea Party groups, but he shares several similarities with the Tea Party movement.

1. Anger Against The Government

The first obviously is his anger against the government. His violent act reflected the anger against government for health care, and immigration symbolized by Sarah Palin’s placement of Rep. Gifford in the crosshairs of gun.

While Loughner’s rants may seem like those of a madmen, so do most rants from Tea Party members. Several elements from Loughner’s rants directly tie him the Patriot Movement, anti-New World Order crowd, that is prominent in the Tea Party.

2. Obsessed With The Constitution

Like many in the Tea Party, Loughner was obsessed with the Constitution. He would use the Constitution to back up his nonsensical arguments constantly according to teacher’s and classmates.

3. Major “New World Order” Conspiracy Theorist

Also like many people in the Tea Party, Loughner was a conspiracy theorist. He believed in a New World Order conspiracy and global currency plot, not unlike the Patriot Movement section of the Tea Party, represented by Alex Jones and Ron Paul. His views on currency also mirror Ron Paul’s and the Patriot movement’s according to the SPLC.

4. Connected To White Supremacist Organization

According to Fox News, the Department Of Homeland Security has tied Loughner to American Renaissance, a pro-Tea Party white supremacist organization. Both the NAACP and myself have connected the Tea Party to several white supremacist organizations.

5. Ayn Rand Fan

Loughner listed Ayn Rand’s “We Are Living” as one of his favorite books. Ayn Rand is Tea Party hero credited with inspiring its philosophy.

The Patriot movement, which is having a big resurgence under the Tea Party, has produced several right wing terrorists. The first one, Timothy McVeigh, a New World Order fearing conspiracy theorist with ties to white supremacists like Loughner, killed 168 people in a terror attack in 1995. James Von Brunn the Holocaust shooter who killed a security guard at the Holocaust museum in Washington D.C. was another right wing terrorist who ranted against the federal reserve, supported Tea Party favorite, Ron Paul and posted on the right wing website, Free Republic.

Byron Williams was inspired by another Tea Party icon, Glenn Beck to plan out an assassination attempt of leaders of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU in an act of terror in 2010 before he was pulled over by police and had a shootout with them.

Jon Patrick Bedell, the man who shot two officers at the Pentagon in a terrorist attack was a fan of Ron Paul’s paleoconservative Lugwig Von Mises institute and Ron Paul’s former head of staff, Lew Rockwell, and the Hutaree Militia who allegedly were planning an attack to kill police men and civilians in Michigan for another terrorist attack were part of the Patriot movement and its leader was a “Ron Paul” fanatic according to his wife.

The elements that had a role in Loughner’s deranged world view, that lead to his atrocious act are all active in the Tea Party, a strong hatred of government, a belief in conspiracy theories, and racism.

Republican leaders must recognize the presence of conspiracy theories, racism, and anti-government resentment in the Tea Party if they are going to incorporate the Tea Party into the GOP. They either need to speak out against these elements or take responsibility next time some McVeigh, Loughner, Bedell, or Williams kills innocent people in a senseless act of terror. In the same way they blame radical Islamic clerics, for the acts of terrorists, leaders and activists on the right must take accountability for the actions of their followers and who they influence.

http://newsone.com/newsone-original/casey-gane-mccalla/arizona-shooter-jared-loughner-has-all-the-ingredients-of-a-tea-party-member/

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Lets try this again and base them on facts instead of lies.



1.)Jared Loughner was upset most over the currency issues regarding our Government and believed the new currency was a form of mind control.He was also very upset about the high rate of illiteracy in his district.


This has nothing to do with the Tea party,the health care bill,or immigration issues.As far as anger for the Government I think the majority of Americans on all side are angry at our Government.Polls showing that Congress is at record low approval ratings show this.


2.)He was not obsessed with the Constitution at all and there is no facts to claim otherwise.The only mention of the Constitution is the fact that he hated the Constitution and thought it should be abolished along with the Government.


The Tea party is all about the Constitution and how our Government should be run and held accountable for it.When running for office Tea party members are not called a member of the Tea party.They are called a member of the Constitution party.The majority of the issues Tea party members talk about is Constitutional ones.



3.) Major “New World Order” Conspiracy Theorist.

That's a good one!laugh Never heard any Tea party members talking about a New world order.This is nothing but a pile of BS with no facts to back it up.I have also not heard loads of conspiracy theories coming from the Tea party movement.


Jared Loughner was a 9/11 truther.9/11 truthers as we all know are nearly always far leaning liberal.Tea party members don't hold up signs saying 9/11 was a inside job.That is for liberals like Micheal moore and Sean penn to do.



4.)Connected To White Supremacist Organization

I have yet to hear the Tea party say how Jews are parasites,Jews cause much trouble,Jews should be destroyed,and how Jews are worthless.This could easily be found on any White supremacist website.I have yet to hear how Hitler was this great man who achieved great things and should be honored from the Tea party movement.Found again on any White supremacist website.I have yet to hear how the only people who should be allowed to live are white blue eyed,blond haired,protestants and how they are the superior race from the Tea party.I have yet to hear how the blacks,Hispanics and others should not reproduce and should be sterilized from the Tea party movement.


If the Tea party is supposed to be talking about these things then they are doing a pretty poor job since I have yet to hear any of them.


5.)Ayn Rand Fan


He did indeed have a Ayn rand book in his possesion.This is hardly worth mentioning since he also had the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.I think this is hardly news considering people typically have hundreds of books and they come from all points of view.


I can add a few more facts left out.


6.)His favorite video was of a American flag being burned.


Tea party members would never burn the American flag or support anyone who does.They are very proud of the American flag.


7.)He was a Godless Atheist.


I doubt if you would find a Godless Atheist in the Tea party crowd.They are overwhelmingly Christians who frequently use prayers and their faith in their speeches.


8.)He was strongly anti military.


There was help with cleaning the uranium from the Iran and Iraq war in the 1980’s?rticle 33 of the Geneva Convention is the prohibit of pillage.All military invasions with armed forces into a foreign country are war crimes in the Geneva Convention articles of 1949.The Iraq and Afghanistan war of 2010 is a military invasion with armed forces into a foreign country.Therefore, Iraq and Afghanistan war of 2010 is a war crime from the Geneva Convention articles of 1949.


The tea party movement is and always has been pro military and 100% support for the military.


9.)Was strongly anti Government.


The Tea party is not anti Government.The tea party is pro Government that adheres to the Constitution.The Tea party encourages voting and being involved in our Government.The Tea party also has never spoke of committing violence towards others,encouraging violence,anarchy,overthrowing our Government,or assassination of our leaders.


10.)Friends described him a left winger.


"he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecyhe had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
more left [wing]. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive".



11.)He was not a member of the Tea party or a Sarah palin follower.




Your worthless article has fallen flat on it's face.All you are doing is exploiting someone else's tragedy for personal gain.This is a new low and it's disgusting.This man if anything was a total left wing liberal anarchist.




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Tue 01/11/11 06:36 PM
Not sure what happened to my post with all the facts that clearly show he was a Godless,anti government liberal.


You really think this guy who was as anti Government as they get would be at a Tea party rally waving the American flag,signing God bless America,facing the flag and saying the pledge of allegiance,and then listening to speakers talk about how this country needs to get back to the Constitution?


Yeah right!laugh

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Mon 01/10/11 11:16 PM
The portrait of Jared Loughner, the accused Tucson Safeway Massacre shooter, is taking shape. Loughner, contrary to some pronouncements on and off the Internet, was not a right-wing, Tea Party acolyte of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.

But interviews with former friends and acquaintances paint a portrait of a man with " ... nihilistic, almost indecipherable beliefs steeped in mistrust and paranoia," according to the AP. YouTube videos and his MySpace page contain rantings about the currency, poor grammar, "lucid dreaming" and mind control. Loughner was also a 9/11 truther and atheist.

Loughner was also a heavy abuser of alcohol and marijuana, at one point taken to the hospital for alcohol poisoning. He was rejected for military service after failing a drug test.

Loughner had a number of run-ins with the police due to disruptive behavior in the library and classroom at the community college he was attending. According to the Washington Post, a classmate, Lynda Sorenson, was genuinely frightened of him.

"We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird. I sit by the door with my purse handy. If you see it on the news one night, know that I got out fast..."

Jared Loughner also kept a bizarre shrine under a camouflage tent in the backyard of his home that featured a skull atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges. There were candles and a bag of potting soil nearby. The whole setup is suggestive of a weird version of the occult.

In short, Loughner was a disturbed loner who had no discernible ideology at all. Despite the pronouncements of certain pundits, there is no evidence that Jared Loughner was influenced by or was even aware of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck or the Tea Party.

There is a question about how Loughner passed the background check required when he bought, legally, the 9 mm. Glock in November. Gun control advocates are already suggesting new legislation restricting the ownership and use of firearms.


The problem, of course, is not access to guns or unrelated political ideology, but rather how society deals with the mentally ill. One wonders if the shooting could have been avoided if Jared Loughner had gotten some kind of medical help earlier.


http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.8362/pub_detail.asp


What made Jared Loughner, 22, go to a town hall style meeting outside a Safeway grocery store in Tuscon, Arizona and embark on a shooting rampage?

The news on Loughner is pouring in and will continue to come in. Not all of it is fact and with every media outlet trying to be one step ahead of the rest, a lot of information is not substantiated.

The authorities have already stated that he was a “troubled” and “mentally unstable” individual who was anti-government according to his own rants on both Myspace and Youtube.

Prior to Loughner’s Myspace being shut down, he had listed “Mein Kampf” as one of his favorite books. Okay, that does tend one to believe he is an Anti-Semite.

Today’s (Sunday January 9, 2011) USA Today had an article in the Faith and Reason section titled “Jewish Giffords' shooting suspect: 'No! I don't trust in God!'

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Mon 01/10/11 11:10 PM

Jared Lee Loughner Shoots Congresswoman & Perturbs the Angry Red Haze Overshadowing America


The angry red haze billowing over America was perturbed by the shooting of a Congresswoman outside of a Safeway in Tucson, Arizona. It was this vicious agitation that has torn the lids from the closed eyes of America and forced a new and sudden awareness of how thick and encompassing that furious national red cloud has become. To think we'd let the choking red haze of political rhetoric freely fill and poison every news media outlet, town hall meeting, and neighborly conversation. America has continued to feed this rolling red cloud, and the hateful rhetoric has now overshadowed not only our political atmosphere, but has seeped into the collective dialogue of our free and paranoid country.

I've long been wondering when the first shots were going to take place in this political frenzy of ours. To be fair and honest, the lethal gunshots of a maddened 22 year old named Jared Lee Loughner were not the first shots of a hysterical political system, and they won't be the last. As Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords fights for her life, we must understand her tragedy is America's tragedy.

It is 2011 and America should be past the senseless 'hero' killings. There should no longer be gunshots used to prove points, nor should the killing of American politicians and ideologues stand as a 'turning point' or commencement of revolution. America should be a land of many ideas, and at the end of the day, Americans should defend the rights of their neighbors' beliefs in an attempt to salvage their own. But in 2011, America has regressed.

America, as she stands, has teeth clenched, her stomach in knots, her sphincter clenched against volatile waves of nausea. Her brain is swamped in endogenous chemical cocktails producing a simultaneous fear/hate/anger/apathetic high. She has been breathing for far too long this pungent red smog. She is insane and tortured, and while America holds her torch high, her thoughts are in order to lower her flame and light her flowing garment afire. While she shrieks in searing pain, while the flames eat her gown and then grab her hair, America will still be bewildered about who caused her this final act of shameful death by fire.

The politically charged red cloud has finally been spotted. It glows a glorious scarlet tonight in the raging spiteful fires burning across the bleak American expanse. The fires are frightfully consuming and fueled by political trash. We've been forced to feel its heat, but this time we cannot close our eyes, nor can we turn away. The haze has become dreadfully bitter. We can now taste it.

Our climate is red versus blue. There is no reason to be bi-partisan in America these days. The Red has launched its campaign and determined the Blue to be anti-American, to be in league with terrorism, and to be working to undermine and unravel the very binding fabric of America's goodness.

The Blue has done little to defend itself. The Blue members have been painted blue and have been placed in front of a bright-colored red backdrop. They march around, like the rest of us, unaware of just how toxic the red fog of fear and hate has become. The Blue have been labeled socialists, communists, fascists, terrorists, and atheists, all of whom are unpatriotic and treasonous.

The Blue have been cast as targets and the crosshairs have been placed on their heads. This is our political climate; we have fostered it, promoted it, condoned it, or failed to recognize and take a firm enough stand against it.

Many Americans will ask how we came to this, the attempted assassination of Gabrielle Giffords, an Arizona congresswoman. But the real question is how America will ever get out of this.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6199770/jared_lee_loughner_shoots_congresswoman_pg2.html?cat=9




Indeed!







This has to be the biggest load of crap I have ever read.The American people are marching along like zombies in a red haze laugh Give me a break!


This man didn't have anything to do with politics.He wasn't a Republican or a member of the tea party.He was a anarchist who despised the Government.He burned the American flag,read books about Hitler and Karl marx.He despised God and this country.Sounds like a perfect liberal to me.


People posting this crap for the sole purpose of hatred and division of this country are slime.


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Mon 01/10/11 10:44 PM

Jared Lee Loughner Shoots Congresswoman & Perturbs the Angry Red Haze Overshadowing America


The angry red haze billowing over America was perturbed by the shooting of a Congresswoman outside of a Safeway in Tucson, Arizona. It was this vicious agitation that has torn the lids from the closed eyes of America and forced a new and sudden awareness of how thick and encompassing that furious national red cloud has become. To think we'd let the choking red haze of political rhetoric freely fill and poison every news media outlet, town hall meeting, and neighborly conversation. America has continued to feed this rolling red cloud, and the hateful rhetoric has now overshadowed not only our political atmosphere, but has seeped into the collective dialogue of our free and paranoid country.

I've long been wondering when the first shots were going to take place in this political frenzy of ours. To be fair and honest, the lethal gunshots of a maddened 22 year old named Jared Lee Loughner were not the first shots of a hysterical political system, and they won't be the last. As Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords fights for her life, we must understand her tragedy is America's tragedy.

It is 2011 and America should be past the senseless 'hero' killings. There should no longer be gunshots used to prove points, nor should the killing of American politicians and ideologues stand as a 'turning point' or commencement of revolution. America should be a land of many ideas, and at the end of the day, Americans should defend the rights of their neighbors' beliefs in an attempt to salvage their own. But in 2011, America has regressed.

America, as she stands, has teeth clenched, her stomach in knots, her sphincter clenched against volatile waves of nausea. Her brain is swamped in endogenous chemical cocktails producing a simultaneous fear/hate/anger/apathetic high. She has been breathing for far too long this pungent red smog. She is insane and tortured, and while America holds her torch high, her thoughts are in order to lower her flame and light her flowing garment afire. While she shrieks in searing pain, while the flames eat her gown and then grab her hair, America will still be bewildered about who caused her this final act of shameful death by fire.

The politically charged red cloud has finally been spotted. It glows a glorious scarlet tonight in the raging spiteful fires burning across the bleak American expanse. The fires are frightfully consuming and fueled by political trash. We've been forced to feel its heat, but this time we cannot close our eyes, nor can we turn away. The haze has become dreadfully bitter. We can now taste it.

Our climate is red versus blue. There is no reason to be bi-partisan in America these days. The Red has launched its campaign and determined the Blue to be anti-American, to be in league with terrorism, and to be working to undermine and unravel the very binding fabric of America's goodness.

The Blue has done little to defend itself. The Blue members have been painted blue and have been placed in front of a bright-colored red backdrop. They march around, like the rest of us, unaware of just how toxic the red fog of fear and hate has become. The Blue have been labeled socialists, communists, fascists, terrorists, and atheists, all of whom are unpatriotic and treasonous.

The Blue have been cast as targets and the crosshairs have been placed on their heads. This is our political climate; we have fostered it, promoted it, condoned it, or failed to recognize and take a firm enough stand against it.

Many Americans will ask how we came to this, the attempted assassination of Gabrielle Giffords, an Arizona congresswoman. But the real question is how America will ever get out of this.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6199770/jared_lee_loughner_shoots_congresswoman_pg2.html?cat=9




Indeed!




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Sun 01/09/11 01:24 AM
Sorry but one man posting a website he created who he calls it a leftist website that hasn't been updated in 8 years is not a reliable source.Try Wikipedia next time....



posted by dru in us


Misnomer is a weblog about the politics of new and old media, foreign policy, tech, culture, philosophy, and photography. It is maintained by Dru Oja Jay, who variously calls himself a student, journalist, web designer, and writer. He lives in Sackville, New Brunswick, Canada.


The Dominion is a new Canadian national newspaper with a lefty skew, a decent web site, and an unconventional distribution model.

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I say this is reason good enough for all good Americans to get off their fat assssssses and bomb some third-world country shiiiiitless.

That will learn them.

Why break a straight streak, I ask.

Hesus, I hate ****ing American international politics. Just watch, an innocent country will be razed, and Americans will clap their ****ing hands.



If sure that is exactly what those people in Iraq and Afghanistan said should be done to the United states years before 9/11.They got what they wanted and should not be surprised when violence comes back for payback.



You could be right, most probably you are, that people in Iraq and Afghanistan were SAYING things like that. But nobody in Iraq and Afghanistan was responsible for the 9/11 attack. It was Osama Bin Laden and his gang that took responsibility for it.

So in effect what you are saying is that people MUST be punished by Americans when people think something that you, personally don't approve of as a thought.

It IS in the Christian teachings, "thou shall not sin, neither in action nor in thought..."

I accept that according to your faith, ill will, even if not followed up by acts, is a sin. That's part of your faith, so be it. I don't think a man can be or ought to be foudn guilty for thinking about something. OJ Simpson got off, your American justice system vindicated him, but people in Iraq have dark hair and speak a foreign language, so they are fair game to kill and slaughter, and their country is a fair playground for american weapons-use.

You make me sick with your rhetoric, man. You say "They got what they wanted and should not be surprised when violence comes back for payback." This is such ill logic; the war in Iraq was not "payback", it was angry Americans shooting innocent people.

For one, more than just the Iraqis "got what they wanted"; most of the Arab world wanted 9/11, including some or all of the Royals in Saudi Arabia. Most of Muslim Africa, and some of Muslim Asia got what they wanted. Some liberal-thinking Europeans and Americans outside the USA wished a lesson for America, for America had been getting very-very cocky.

But only Iraq got razed to the ground. Why? If your logic can be applied, then all other nations in which some people wished somethign like 9/11 would happen before it happened, but they also did not do anything to make it happen, should also be razed. God, in the UK the sentiments were very high against the US and the Iraq war. If you want to apply your faulty logic, go ahead, but at least be universal about it, don't be arbitrarily biassed, and raze England and Italy and France as well.


However, your entire nation, which is predominantly Christian, agrees with you. This I find actually sinful: To punish an entire nation, Iraq and the Iraqis, for the "sinful" thoughts some in that nation had.

You are going back to biblical times, man, when the Israelites destroyed entire nations because God told them. Now you are told by the President of the United States to destroy entire nations, and like good, nice Americans, you go and destroy entire nations.

I spit at you for that. Not at you personally, but at your entire nation.

I am sorry... I hold still that original opinion you object to.




Well I'm sure you would rather prefer the United states to sit back and watch rockets come from every Anti American nation on a daily basis while we sit back and twiddle our thumbs.We have the greatest military force in the world but we can just let them idle and let our Americans get slaughtered because after all we can't possible defend out nation when it is attacked.


It seems most of the countries in this world is supporting the Iraq war and was voted on by the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_–_Iraq


Australia: 2,000 invasion (withdrawn 7/09)
United Kingdom: 46,000 invasion (withdrawn 7/09)
Romania: 730 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 7/09)
El Salvador: 380 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 1/09)
Estonia: 40 troops (deployed 6/05-withdrawn 1/09)
Bulgaria: 485 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 12/08)
Moldova: 24 peak (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 12/08)
Albania: 240 troops (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 12/08)
Ukraine: 1,650 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/08)
Denmark: 545 peak (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 12/08)
Czech Republic: 300 peak (deployed 12/03-withdrawn 12/08)
South Korea: 3,600 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 12/08)
Japan: 600 troops (deployed 1/04-withdrawn 12/08)
Tonga: 55 troops (deployed 7/04-withdrawn 12/08)
Azerbaijan: 250 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/08)
Singapore: 175 offshore (deployed 12/03-withdrawn 12/08)
Bosnia and Herzegovina: 85 peak (deployed 6/05-withdrawn 11/08)
Macedonia: 77 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 11/08)
Latvia: 136 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 11/08)
Poland: 200 invasion—2,500 peak (withdrawn 10/08)
Kazakhstan: 29 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 10/08)
Armenia: 46 troops (deployed 1/05-withdrawn 10/08)
Mongolia: 180 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 09/08)
Georgia: 2,000 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 8/08) Slovakia: 110 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/07)
Lithuania: 120 peak (deployed 6/03-withdrawn 08/07)
Italy: 3,200 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 11/06)
Norway: 150 troops (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 8/06)
Hungary: 300 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 3/05)
Netherlands: 1,345 troops (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 3/05)
Portugal: 128 troops (deployed 11/03-withdrawn 2/05)
New Zealand: 61 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 9/04)
Thailand: 423 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 8/04)
Philippines: 51 troops (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 7/04)
Honduras: 368 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 5/04)
Dominican Republic: 302 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 5/04)
Spain: 1,300 troops (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 4/04)
Nicaragua: 230 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 2/04)
Iceland: 2 troops (deployed 5/03-withdrawal date unknown)


Christianity has nothing to do with this war.We don't go to war for biblical reasons,are at war for biblical reasons,or continue to support the war for biblical reasons.If you can find any information at all saying we went for this war because of something written in the bible go ahead.



As long as terrorist continue to fight then we are going to be dropping bombs all over Iraq and Afghanistan.It's not Americans that are killing these people it's the leaders they are supporting.The first day we started dropping bombs these terrorist leaders could have surrendered saving their people.Yet they keep fighting.Japan got the picture really quick after the first atomic bomb was dropped.The figured out how many more hundreds of thousands would die yet could care less.

If these people really want to save their own lives they should start capturing and killing these people who are causing the terrorism.Yet do they protest?No.Do they demand a stop to the violence?No.All you see them doing is jumping up and down burning American flags and screaming death to America and Israel.So I don't feel sorry for them when they are getting carpet bombed weapons in hand or not.They want to bring their own destruction it's their own choice when they want it to end.They know they can never beat us so they can either surrender or join us.


By the way I think most Americans don't even know Canada is a country let alone someone we should be getting military lip service from.


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Sun 01/09/11 12:06 AM
I don't think any of us are surprised this happened the way this Government has been going.First you had those letter bombs and now this.I'm sure there will be more copy cats that have just been waiting for the right time to attack.

I think it's pointless and useless to blame politics on a matter that the majority of Americans are upset about.I think our elected leaders need to take some time and listen to what the American people are telling them.Look at Congress's approval rating.What is it not something like 11%?


I also think you people are throwing a lot of mud at each other with knowing very little facts about this guy.From what I read he was a non religious,heavy pot smoker,who's main source of anger had to do with our new currency bill and how they were trying to influence our minds.Would you mind telling me what any of that has to do with any party?






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Sat 01/08/11 08:10 PM

I say this is reason good enough for all good Americans to get off their fat assssssses and bomb some third-world country shiiiiitless.

That will learn them.

Why break a straight streak, I ask.

Hesus, I hate ****ing American international politics. Just watch, an innocent country will be razed, and Americans will clap their ****ing hands.



If sure that is exactly what those people in Iraq and Afghanistan said should be done to the United states years before 9/11.They got what they wanted and should not be surprised when violence comes back for payback.

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Fri 01/07/11 08:34 PM
This whole country is screwed.It won't matter what anyone does.Soon our debt will be more than the country is taking in.Obama and our Government might as well just shut down the Capital and put a giant foreclosure sign on the white house.This country is bankrupt and fewer people are caring about the welfare of this once great country.They just want to sit back,milk every last dime from our Government,then pack up and move to some other country to do the same thing.


It won't be soon before food prices skyrocket.Record shortages of grain and food products due to weather and other problems will cause everything to go sky high.Oil and gasoline are both expected to climb back into the $5.00 gallon range this summer.


This is all bible prophecy coming true.Instead of two bags of grains for a penny you will get charged two penny for one bad of grain.Israel is on the brink of nuclear destruction(which the bible said would not be destroyed).Wars and rumors of Wars are happening as we speak,our nation taking God out of everything and supporting immoral causes,the increasing death rate and persecution of Christians overseas.

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Fri 01/07/11 08:21 PM
It would seem that people who have practiced incest far more outnumber the practicing homosexuals.



http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Incest

Pevalence is difficult to generalize, but research has estimated 10-15% of the general population as having at least one incest experience, with less than 2% involving intercourse or attempted intercourse.[5] Among women, research by Russell (1986) and Wyatt (1985) has yielded estimates as high as twenty percent.[4]


With those facts know we can assume if gay marriage was thrown out because of morality issues you would have nothing to prevent people from marrying family members.You can speak about birth defects but from what I have read there is around a 2-3% chance or birth defects for incest couples which is also about the same percentage for normal couples.If sure women over 40 who wish to become pregnant are for more likely to experience birth defects then Incest couples who have children.


I am not defending Incest in any way shape or form and I am strongly against it.But if I was forced to make a vote on marriage for Incest couples or marriage for gay couples I would pick Incest because there is less problems associating with it.


Someone said earlier that women do anal sex also.Women doing anal sex isn't any more safer then two men doing it or is it less disgusting.Women doing anal are rolling the dice with a increase in STD's the same way men are with...


Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis25

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Fri 01/07/11 06:35 PM

Thomas:

Just because someone has a right to do something that doesn't mean everyone should accept it and embrace it.


Acknowledging that another has a right to do something is to accept that they have that right. No one who disagrees with homosexual lifesytle needs to change their opinion about it, nor "embrace" it.

I think the fact alone that half of the Aids cases in America are from Homosexuals and this number is growing is reason enough not to promote this lifestyle.


That is sufficient reason for you to hold your beliefs about it, it is not sufficient reason to impede upon another's rights. I mean, we still promote McDonalds, we still promote alchohol... the list of dangerous/deadly things that are allowed is very long. On a side note, HIV research results in big money medicine.

The cost to the American taxpayers for a lifetime of treatment of Aids is averaging over $600,000 dollars and that was for the year 2006...


Granting that the numbers are true. Do we deny equal rights to all who cost "the American taxpayer"?

Even if I was a God hating Atheist I wouldn't be promoting this sort of lifestyle because facts clearly show these people don't care about the risk of Aids or other STD's and account for half of cases despite being just 2-3% of the population.


The facts given cannot "clearly show that these people do not care about the risks of AIDS." Caring about the risks does not make one immune to contraction, nor does not caring about the risks make one contract the virus. Granted, a careless person puts themselves and their partners in harms way, but that poses no more danger to a straight person - either way.

Yet the American people should feel guilty for not supporting it out of love? Give me a break.


Another imaginary argument being scapegoated.





Thomas,

Is your rectum in danger? It is none of your concern whether or not a gay man chooses to take the risk of tearing his own anus, it poses no danger to you whatsoever. So what if it is "unnatural"?

Do we deny Tammy Faye Baker her equal rights because her looks are clearly "unnatural"? Evidently, we have the right to do unnatural things in the privacy of our own home, and in the case of Tammy Faye - we can out and about quite unnaturally as well in some instances.




I have said this many times in here gay marriage is not a right.Gays and others have ever right and American has.Put a gay American next to a straight
American and tell me who has more rights under the Constitution and the bill of rights.The answer is they are both equal.


So this whole gay marriage issue isn't about rights at all because nobody including the gays are not having their rights violated.If marriage was a right then it would be totally logical and plausible to say if someone wanted to divorce you against your will you could claim your civil rights were being taken away and violated since one person did not want to be divorced.


So what this whole issue revolves around(much like the majority of the millions of laws in the United states)is...

1.)What the people want.
2.)If this is good for society?
3.)How many pros vs cons.
4.)Is it morally acceptable?
5.)Who it will effect and how much it will cost.
6.)Who stands to benefit the most.


I don't think promoting any lifestyle gay or straight that is raising Aids cases in the United states should be promoted.It is common sense that if you keep promoting homosexuality as good,normal,and something that should be embraced you are going to have more homosexuals and more Aids cases.Statistics from the CDC from 2010 show a decline in Aids cases due to drugs and straight sex but a huge rise in homosexuals.


Is adding more homosexuals to our society making our society better or worse?I think all the statistics and research has shown they have higher suicide rates,far more STD's,much higher AIDS cases,more likely to use illegal drugs,more likely to have a high number of sexual partners,have a average lifespan of 20 years less,and are far more likely to be murdered or beat then your average citizen.If this was a group of people that were not homosexuals then should we promote them?This doesn't sounds like it is benefiting society only taking away from it.


Which brings me to the next point.You seem to think that everyone has a right to do anything they want and we all have to accept it.The only rights anyone has is under the Constitution and bill of rights.The rest of what you do is governed by laws.How many laws are governed by morality and decency alone?I know my rights and I know what the Constitution says about them.The homosexuals should learn the difference between what rights you are legally allowed to have and how they do or do not apply to homosexuality.



I think bringing McDonalds and people who drink alcohol into this debate is just trying to stray away from the main topic.People can eat McDonalds and burger king every day and live to be 80.I understand that people die from clogged arteries but this is not something that happened from a one time exposure,something that is incurable,and something that is extremely expensive to treat.If people have high Cholesterol they can simply stop eating bad foods and reverse it.Eating McDonalds also does not infect others with a sexual transmitted disease they didn't want.Alcohol already has hundreds of laws to deal with where it is drank,who drinks it,what age they can drink it,and other legal related issues.I think the majority of people believe people should not get drunk to impairment or drink excessive alcohol on a daily basis and a large portion probably would ban alcohol if it was put to a vote.


You keep bringing up do we deny rights to people by the way they act?The answer is yes we do.You have the right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness until you murder someone and spend the rest of your life in a 4X10 cell.You may have the right to a firearm but you don't have the right to shoot at anyone or anything.If you have a felony you do not have the rights to own a firearm anymore.Do you have the right to free speech?The Constitution say you do until you call 9/11 and make a prank call.You think you can call anyone any name you want and slander their reputation with lies?You will get sued for it.The list goes on and on.


So if a group of people are costing the American tax payers dollars by constantly doing harmful things to society then take away their rights.This could be anyone from bank robbers,child molesters,scam artists,and anyone else you can think of.


If you want more research on the percentage of homosexuals who practice unsafe sex with strangers,know they have Aids but don't tell anyone about it,how homosexuals are having a increase of Aids and STDS,how they have a far more higher number of sexual partners,and how they engage in risky behavior this is likely to contract Aids and STD's I will gladly post it.


Finally I would like to say I can't believe how hypocritical some of you are.The issue has been brought up many times about brothers marrying their sisters,fathers marrying their daughters,and people who love animals as they do a real person and have sexual contact with them.


Do these people not have rights now?
Are these people not a minority like the homosexuals claim?
Are they not in love and denied this basic human right to marry?
Are you not suppressing them the same way you claim the Christians are?


I would have a lot more respect for you homosexual supporters if you would also allow family members to marry as well.Because you claim you don't support it out of morality issues.What a joke!The Christians can't object to something out of morality for them but for you it's fine.For gays it's a basic human right to marry but for brother and sister they have no rights.Your no different than the Christians.You just object to them because you hate them and this is a good way to find a excuse to beat down on them.


I can only hope one day we have a member here who wants to marry their brother or sister and you can debate them about morality issues and why you object to it.Then I can grab some popcorn and laugh and see how funny it is to watch a two faced complete hypocrite use his own words against him.

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Fri 01/07/11 03:52 PM
Global warming is the theory the EARTH IS GETTING HOTTER!Watch the video of Al Gores a inconvenient truth that started all this nonsense.If anything this world is going into global cooling.I am just surprised idiot Gore has not stepped up to his soap box and said we went over the tipping point and we are now going into global cooling.Give it time.


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Fri 01/07/11 03:46 PM
Just because someone has a right to do something that doesn't mean everyone should accept it and embrace it.

I think the fact alone that half of the Aids cases in America are from Homosexuals and this number is growing is reason enough not to promote this lifestyle.The cost to the American taxpayers for a lifetime of treatment of Aids is averaging over $600,000 dollars and that was for the year 2006...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15655257/

An American diagnosed with the AIDS virus can expect to live for about 24 years on average, and the cost of health care over those two-plus decades is more than $600,000, new research indicates.


Even if I was a God hating Atheist I wouldn't be promoting this sort of lifestyle because facts clearly show these people don't care about the risk of Aids or other STD's and account for half of cases despite being just 2-3% of the population.Yet the American people should feel guilty for not supporting it out of love?Give me a break.



Supporters call Anal sex natural.There is nothing natural about it.


http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/000093.php


VAGINA
• has an acidic environment which hinders bacterial and viral growth
RECTUM
• has an alkaline environment, which promotes bacterial and viral growth

VAGINA
• is lined by a thick layer of stratified squamous epithelium which is resistant to tearing
RECTUM
• is lined by a thin layer of simple cuboidal epithelium which can tear easily with unnatural forces

VAGINA
• secretes a lubricant during intercourse
RECTUM
• does not secrete a lubricant, only expels feces

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Thu 01/06/11 10:49 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/yahoolatestnews/stories/010611dnbusmatch.5aa743.html

Match.com faces lawsuit over fake, inactive profiles; company denies accusations


Dallas-based online dating site Match.com is facing a federal lawsuit alleging that more than half of its profiles belong to inactive members or scammers.

The complaint, filed Dec. 30 in U.S. District Court in Dallas, alleges that the company does not remove profiles of customers who cancel subscriptions or vet profiles that may be fake.

The complaint also alleges that Match.com encourages members to renew subscriptions by sending them a message from an inactive or fake profile expressing romantic interest.

Five men and women, none from Texas, are asking for class action status. They accuse the company of breach of contract, breach of implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing, and negligent misrepresentation.

"The claims have no merit and Match.com will defend the lawsuit vigorously," Match.com said in a prepared statement.

Match.com, founded in 1995, is among the top online dating websites. In 2010, the dating site saw an increase in subscriptions and revenue. According to the most recent earnings report for parent company IAC, Match.com brought in $38.1 million and had about 1.82 million paid subscribers.

The plaintiffs are seeking unspecified damages and repayment of subscription fees. A subscription costs $34.99 for one month, $19.99 per month for three months, or $16.99 per month for six months.

The complaint comes at a peak time for the industry, the weeks leading up to Valentine's Day, said Julie Spira, who owns cyberdatingexpert.com and helps clients write profiles for dating sites.

Match.com is no stranger to lawsuits. In 2005, Match.com was sued in California over allegations that the company hired employees to create profiles and entice members to keep their subscriptions going. The case was dropped. Another case, filed in 2009, also was dropped.

But this time will be different, said Jeffrey Norton, lead attorney on the lawsuit and lawyer at New York-based Harwood Feffer LLP.

"We have a strong complaint based on strong investigations," he said.

Norton says that he and others researched and spoke to Match.com subscribers, employees and subcontractors.

Spira said that online dating sites often count all types of members – even those without a paid membership – to make their sites seem more promising.

For example, she said, a member may join for a free weekend or free month but then not sign up for a premium membership – making them unable to see messages from other members or causing a profile to be inactive for months at a time.

"It would be great if the site had some kind of notice that not all members can receive e-mails or if there was a box you could check for only premium, paying members," she said.

"But that might also show the world that it's a few million less members and maybe they don't want to show the world that," she said.

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Thu 01/06/11 10:07 PM

Ms. Harmony:

this argument, to me, is weak,,,,because it gives others the RIGHT to impose what they believe 'reasonable' onto others


Not true. Gays are fighting for their rights, not to deny yours. Opposition to gay marriage is a fight to deny gays the rightd that they have been afforded by being citizens of the US.

Let me ask you this... Do you think that it is "reasonable" for straight couples to be denied the ability to get married based upon the opinions, belief, lifestyle, and moral convictions of homosexuals, bisexuals, and transgenders? Would you say that that is reasonable? Would you object to such a thing?

I would hope that you would object to such a thing, and I would agree. I also do not blame gays for objecting upon those same grounds, and you by virtue of applying the same principle should not blame them either. Likewise, I would also guess that you cherish the principle of self-direction and uphold the idea that we be allowed to pursue our own happiness, as long as such a pursuit does not cause unnecessary harm to others. The age of consent for sex and/or marriage takes this into consideration. Likewise for the mentally challenged and cases of adult/child incest.

As the situation has it, those kinds of things have been rejected based upon considerations of human rights, American principles of freedom, and opinion logically grounded in knowledge/fact. There is just cause for holding fact above opinion when talking about ethical concerns. The ground for objecting to anothers freedom of action must be strong. Among other things, ethical concerns in the US involve the principles of freedom and unnecessary harm - including harming another by way of impeding one's self-direction. If it were not that way, we would still have slavery. Women would not be able to vote. The civil rights movement would have never gotten off the ground.

All this being said, I could be in error regarding your opinion on the earlier scenarios. Give me one good reason why one group of citizens should be able to deny another group the same rights/priveleges that they themselves hold, and we'll see if that reason applies to same sex marriages.




It has been said a million times in here that marriage is and has never been a human right.You can't say you are fighting for your right to get married any more than someone saying it is their right to marry their sister.Even if it wasn't legal who gives a crap?If I wanted to marry someone get your friends together and have a ceremony and get married.They used to do it that way hundreds of years ago with out any Government at all.


Gays can get legally married in the United states anyways!You can legally go to the 6 states that allow it and get married there.You don't have to live there.



I can give you several good reasons why a group of citizens can deny anyone privileges to homosexuals...


It is their right to vote on issues on who or what they deem acceptable and moral in their towns,cities,and countries.We live in a country where majority rules and if people don't want homosexuality promoted in their cities they have a voice and a vote to say they don't like it.


-Sodomy is unnatural and disgusting,and the majority of people find sodomy between two men repulsive and don't want it praised or promoted especially to children.


-Homosexuals have have much higher STD's and spread them more often.


http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/msmpressrelease.html


A data analysis released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention underscores the disproportionate impact of HIV and syphilis among gay and bisexual men in the United States.

The data, presented at CDC's 2010 National STD Prevention Conference, finds that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.

The range was 522-989 cases of new HIV diagnoses per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men and 13 per 100,000 women.

The rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women, the analysis says. The range was 91-173 cases per 100,000 MSM vs. 2 per 100,000 other men and 1 per 100,000 women.


Homosexuals are the only group of people who insult,sue,and slander voters when they lose voting issues.Needless to say this does not go over very well with the general public.Homosexuals sue to force people to accept their lifestyle such as making speaking out against homosexuality a hate crime,teaching homosexual sex as natural in schools,and telling companies it is their right to use what ever bathroom or male or female they want to use because "they are really a woman or man deep inside".


Many people do not believe children should be raised by two men or two women and believe it is unhealthy.


Homosexuals have a higher suicide rate then others.


Homosexuals can not reproduce.



Homosexuals live a average of 20 years less then straight people

http://www.dakotavoice.com/200506/20050606_1.asp


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm


Homosexuals account for nearly 50% of Aids cases in the United states

In 2006, more than 30,000 MSM and MSM-IDU were newly infected with HIV.
Among all MSM, whites accounted for nearly half (46%) of new HIV infections in 2006. The largest number of new infections among white MSM occurred in those aged 30–39 years, followed by those aged 40–49 years.


http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=CDC+%25+of+homosexuals+are+affected+by+STDs&fr=yfp-t-701&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=CDC+%25+of+homosexuals+are+affected+by+STDs&d=4913202224562976&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=38f0b287,958e86ca&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=WE27qmJFqclt4sKuqUEwFQ--


MSM are the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.

MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the U.S. each year (53%, or an estimated 28,700 infections).


One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year.The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime


Over 70% of all AIDS diagnoses in Canada in adults over the age of 15 up to June 2004 were in homosexual men (13,019 out of 19,238). 60% of all positive HIV tests are found in homosexual men. This contrasts with just over 15% of all positive HIV tests which are due to heterosexual contact. (Public Health Agency of Canada. HIV and AIDS in Canada. November 2004).


A University of Chicago study released in 2003 found that 61 percent of homosexuals in Chicago’s Shoreland area had more than 30 sexual partners

http://www.cft.org.za/articles/Children_adopt_homo.htm


Homosexual relationships are short-lived and less faithful

Even in those homosexual relationships, which the partners consider ‘committed’, the meaning of ‘committed’ typically means something radically different from marriage.

In the Triangle Project study of homosexual men in Cape Town, 47% of respondents said that they were currently in a relationship, yet only 13.3% of respondents had had only one partner in the past year. 60% of the men who were currently 'in a relationship' admitted to having had "sex" with people other than their partners in the past year.

In the book, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop, the authors, two homosexual lecturers, report a study of 156 men in homosexual relationships lasting from one to 37 years. Only seven couples had a totally exclusive sexual relationship and of these, the men had all been together for less than five years. In other words, all the so-called ‘couples’ with a relationship lasting more than five years had incorporated some outside sexual activity into their relationships.
Homosexual relationships are more violent than traditional marriage

While homosexuals, particularly lesbians, propagate the idea of the lesbian or homosexual home as one of peace and equality, the truth is that homosexual relationships are far more violent than heterosexual marriages. The U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that married women in normal families experience the lowest rate of violence compared with women in other types of relationships. Consider these studies of homosexual relationships:

The Journal of Interpersonal Violence published an article entitled "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships". Researchers found that 90% of the lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of verbal aggression from their intimate partners during the year prior to this study. 31% of women in lesbian relationships reported one or more incidents of physical abuse.

A survey of 1,099 lesbians found that "slightly more than half of the [lesbians] reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner. The most frequent forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and combined physical-psychological abuse."

In their book Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence, D. Island and P. Letellier report that "the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population."
Homosexuality and crime

A study of 4340 adults in five metropolitan areas of the USA showed that bisexuals and homosexuals (about 4% of the sample) compared to heterosexuals:

exposed themselves sexually to more different bodies (more frequently admitting to participating in orgies and reported larger numbers of sexual partners);
more frequently participated in socially disruptive sex (e.g., deliberate infection of others, cheating in marriage, making obscene phone calls);
more frequently reported engaging in socially disruptive activities (e.g., criminality, shoplifting, tax cheating); and
more frequently exposed themselves to biological hazards (e.g. fisting, bestiality, ingestion of faeces and sadomasochism).
Homosexuality and substance abuse

A study published in Nursing Research found that lesbians are three times more likely to abuse alcohol and suffer from other compulsive behaviours than heterosexual women. The study found that: Like most problem drinkers, 91% of the participants had abused other drugs as well as alcohol, and many reported compulsive difficulties with food (34%), co-dependency on people (29%), sex (11%), and money (6%)." In addition, "46% had been heavy drinkers with frequent drunkenness."

The Triangle Project survey of homosexual men in Cape Town in 2000 found that 68% of men had used at least one recreational drug in the past year. 41% had used marijuana, 40% used ecstacy, 36% used poppers and 25% used cocaine. Acid and speed were used by about a fifth of the men.

A study in Family Planning Perspective showed that male homosexuals were at greatly increased risk for alcoholism: "Among men, by far the most important risk group consisted of homosexual and bisexual men, who were more than nine times as likely as heterosexual men to have a history of problem drinking."
The Washington Blade, a homosexual newspaper, reports that "various studies on Lesbian health suggest that certain cancer risk factors occur with greater frequency in this population. These factors include higher rates of smoking, alcohol use, poor diet and being overweight."









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Thu 01/06/11 01:55 AM






The flag is a symbol of our country and those who do not respect the flag do respect the country. Our flag symbolizes this country much the same way the Bald Eagle does, maybe we should cover burning the Bald Eagle under the first amendment too...just sayin'!



I disagree, the flag is not as symbolic for everyone, it is cloth with a historic pattern

that doesnt mean it has to be disrespected, but if it is, it shouldnt be criminal unless on government property of some sort


I Respect and love PEOPLE, I have never truly been engulfed into 'love' of land or cloth or symbols or icons,, but that doesnt mean I am disrespecting my country in any way


it just means I am not quite as into SYMBOLISM and IDOLATRY


The people who do not like or show respect for the stars and stripes are commies.



how do you 'RESPECT' a pattern or a cloth?, you may abide by the traditions associated with it, but how has it 'EARNED' respect, being inanimate and all




Because it is the same flag used in countless battles all over the world.You think it's just a piece of cloth?People died trying to raise that flag in battles.In early Wars someone walked next to the soldiers holding that flag totally unarmed.When he died someone else picked it up.It was worth someones life to walk with that flag and many died doing it.


I know when I was in the Navy I would raise or take down the flag on our command on occasion.If that flag hit the ground and a officer saw it you better get ready to get your a** kicked because they wouldn't hesitate to give you a right hook for doing that.In the military the red in our flag represented our blood.Our flag never hits the ground because to hit the ground is to die.If the flag did hit the ground it would be considered soiled and folded and burned.When folded it is folded in a way so no red is ever showing or "no blood".Every day on every command in the military no matter where it is they raise the flag and play the national anthem.Anyone walking must stop and face the flag.If you are in uniform you salute it.

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