High School Girls Charged With ‘Hate Crimes’ Against Homosexuals
May 24, 2007 – Police in Crystal Lake, Illinois have charged two 16-year-old girls with committing a hate crime against homosexuals for distributing fliers critical of homosexual conduct.
According to McHenry County State’s Attorney Lou Bianchi, the girls clearly committed hate crimes by distributing fliers showing two boys kissing, along with negative statements about homosexuality.
Under Illinois law, a person commits a hate crime if he targets another person’s race, color, creed, religion, ancestry, gender, sexual orientation, disability, or national origin.
“This is a perfect example showing why ‘hate crime’ laws are so dangerous to freedom of speech,” said TVC Executive Director Andrea Lafferty.
“Criticism of homosexual sex acts is protected speech under our Constitution, yet homosexual activists want to silence any factual statements about the health risks of homosexual acts. The First Amendment is being dismantled by homosexual radical.”


Posted on: 2010-11-04 02:21:00
By Joseph C. DeCaro, Worthy News Correspondent

HANOI, Vietnam (Worthy News)-- Back in August, the Vietnamese government initiated a massive military operation involving thousands of soldiers, security forces and local police in what they called "tieu quet" to "wipe out" Degar Christians who refused to join the Evangelical Church of Vietnam.

WASHINGTON, USA (Worthy News)-- Christian leaders were preparing to hold a memorial service later Sunday, May 16, in the Boynton Beach are of the U.S. state of Florida to honor two street evangelists who were murdered there earlier this year.

Stephen Ocean, 23, and Tite Sufra, 24, were shot and killed January 30 after preaching the Gospel on the public sidewalk, police and Christians said.

http://www.christianadc.org/news-and-articles/252-taxpayers-will-pay-but-cannot-pray


A Catholic adoption agency in England is being forced to shut down because it refuses to extend services to homosexuals. Because of their religious convictions and the belief that children need heterosexual parents, the charity only works with normal, married couples.

The Obama administration is resorting to politics as usual, even using the “stimulus bill” as a means of political payback. Besides being packed with the typical political pork, one very troubling provision of the stimulus bill passed by the House of Representative restricts religious liberty.


A nonprofit organization devoted to advancing religious liberty for Christians has scoured the news, sought the opinion of its e-mail subscribers and selected a list of "the top 10 incidents of anti-Christian defamation, bigotry and discrimination in the U.S. from last year."

http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2010/January08/0882.html


1. "The Federal Hate Crimes Bill that attacks religious liberty and freedom of speech."

As WND has reported, Canada's experience with "hate crimes" legislation has caused many American Christians to fear the U.S. will follow a similar path of censoring or even punishing in the name of "hate speech" people who declare the Bible's teachings on homosexuality.

Gerald Chipeur is an attorney working to defend a Canadian pastor whose letter to the editor of a local newspaper prompted a complaint, a $5,000 fine and a court order not to express his beliefs further.

Chipeur told WND he expects the same issues now to be raised in the U.S., because of the expanded "hate crimes" law signed by Obama.


" 2. "President Obama's appointment of radical anti-Christians like homosexual activist Kevin Jennings as the 'safe school czar'; pro-abortion advocate Kathleen Seblius made secretary of Human and Health Services; and Chai Feldblum, pro-homosexual and anti-religious liberty judge nominated for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission."

In May, WND revealed Jennings, Obama's pick to oversee "safety" in the nation's public schools, is founder of the homosexual-activist group GLSEN, which promotes homosexual clubs in public schools and launched the annual "Day of Silence" celebration of homosexuality.

In October, WND brought to light Feldblum's leadership in an organization she said was out to "revolutionize social mores," as well has her signature to a petition pushing for the acceptance of polygamy.

Among other exposes of Obama's radical czars, WND reported on John Holdren, adviser for science and technology, who once predicted an ice age that will kill 1 billion, said abortion can save the planet and believes an adult dog is more 'rational' than a human baby.

3. "The Federal Department of Homeland Security issued a report entitled 'Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate' that labeled conservative Christians extremists and potential terrorists."

As WND reported, the DHS report also labeled as "extremists" citizens concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty. It also singled out returning war veterans as particular threats.

4. "An activist judge ordered a homeschool mom in New Hampshire to stop homeschooling her daughter because the little girl 'reflected too strongly' her mother's Christian faith."

Despite being described by court documents as "well liked, social and interactive with her peers, academically promising and intellectually at or superior to grade level," the local court determined Brenda Voydatch's daughter defended her faith too rigorously, suggesting the girl "has not had the opportunity to seriously consider any other point of view."

Ten-year-old "Amanda" was therefore ordered to go to public school. In November, the state's Supreme Court agreed to hear the case.

5. "Pro-life activist Jim Pullion was murdered in front of his granddaughter's high school for showing the truth about abortion."

While the nation was commemorating the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the well-known Owosso, Mich., man was shot multiple times in front of the local high school. The police said it was a targeted attack by a man who objected to the anti-abortion signs Pullion displayed.

6. "Police called to East Jessamine Middle School in Lexington, Ky., to stop 8th graders from praying during their lunch break for a student whose mother was tragically killed."

The school later relented and allowed the children to pray the next day.

7. "The overt homosexual participation in Obama's presidential inaugural events by 'Bishop' Vickie Eugene Robinson, the Gay Men's Chorus of Washington, D.C., and a homosexual marching band."

8. "HBO's program 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' aired an episode where the main actor urinates on painting of Jesus. When confronted HBO would not apologize."

The episode depicted the comedian Larry David accidentally splashing on a painting of Christ and then walking away. When the owner of the painting later enters the bathroom, she concludes the image is weeping and kneels to pray.

"Why is it that people are allowed to publicly show that level of disrespect for Christian symbols?" asked Deal Hudson, publisher of InsideCatholic.com. "If the same thing was done to a symbol of any other religions – Jewish or Muslim – there'd be a huge outcry. It's simply not a level playing field."

In a statement to Fox News, HBO answered, "Anyone who follows 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' knows that the show is full of parody and satire. … Larry David makes fun of everyone, most especially himself. The humor is always playful and certainly never malicious."

9. "Rev. Fred Winters was murdered while preaching in his pulpit in Maryville, Ill."

The gunman shot the pastor four times during a church service in March before pulling out a knife. Members of the congregation tackled the assailant and held him until police arrived.

A doctor declared the murderer, Terry J. Sedlacek, suffers from schizophrenia. Sedlacek is being treated at a state facility operated by the Illinois Department of Human Services.

10. "Pro-life Pastor Reverend Walter Hoye of Oakland, Calif., was jailed for exercising peaceful, pro-life speech."

As WND reported, in May 2008 Hoye filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court, arguing that an Oakland city ordinance banning counselors or protesters from approaching within eight feet of people entering an abortion clinic is a violation of constitutional free speech rights.

Twelve days later, Hoye was arrested for allegedly violating the law he was seeking to overturn.

Hoye was found guilty of violating the law when he was caught holding a sign that read, "Jesus loves you and your baby. Let us help you," outside an Oakland abortion clinic.

He was fined and jailed for 18 days earlier this year.

LifeSiteNews reports one of Hoye's lawyers, Michael Millen of the Life Legal Defense Foundation, has announced his intention to appeal the ruling to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

"It is now illegal to stand still on the sidewalk and extend your arm to hand out a piece of literature," Millen said, referring to the city ordinances eight-foot bubble rule. "Mark this day down. … On this day, a federal court judge ruled that it is constitutional to put someone in jail for a year for holding out a hand with a leaflet."

The CADC's other stories that weren't voted into the top 10 included the following:

The ongoing saga of Rifqa Bary, the 17-year-old Ohio convert to Christianity from Islam who fled to Florida because she feared her family would kill her, only to be returned by the courts to Ohio.

The threat leveled by county officials against a home bible study in San Diego County, requiring the group to stop meeting until they get a permit for religious assembly.

The "Antichrist" film, reviled as "the most horrific movie ever seen" for explicit and pornographic sadomasochism, violence and occult content.

A provision in the new stimulus bill would ban money meant for school renovations from being used on facilities that allow "religious worship." This provision is simply religious discrimination, punishing schools for allowing religious groups to meet on their campuses. “Religious groups” could include religious clubs, churches that meet at schools on Sundays, and also universities with divinity programs.

That tidbit by Wikipedia about the Discrimination of Atheist was a good laugh.50% of Americans would not vote for a atheist?This is discrimination?I guess we should not vote on people by their beliefs.We can just vote on them by hair color or by the car they drive?

How a study finds that Atheist are considered lower than everyone else is considered discrimination and how someone calls a Atheist unworthy of her seat discrimination(which by the way was called by who?Joe blow down the street)is just as funny.I guess the atheist should take hundreds of millions of people to court and say they can't think that way anymore because???Well I have no idea.Everything you posted from Wikipedia is nothing but a joke written by some 10th grader who has no idea what he or she is talking about.

Christians are strongly apposed to polygamy.It is extremely rare and the only people who practice it always belong to the Mormons who most Christians dismiss as crazy,and believing on false teachings written by a man who added verses to the bible in the 1800's.

You want to see some Christian discrimination?It happens every day all over the world.People are killed because they are Christians.

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/warxian.html


Currently, over 200 million Christians worldwide are living under the threat of persecution.Topping the list of countries which have mounted a campaign against Christians are China and Sudan followed by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Burma, Greece, Ethiopia, and Vietnam. (Washington Watch, May 1998). Increasing persecution is also found in Cuba, Laos, and North Korea.

The militant Islamic Government of Sudan, for example, is waging a self-described religious war against Christian, non-Muslim, and moderate Muslim persons by using torture, starvation, enslavement, and murder. In Pakistan, the government has declared those that who “insult” Mohammed will be put to death. In Communist Laos more than 250 pastors and Christian workers have been arrested; more than 60 churches and Christian institutions have been shut down; and the government has forced many thousands of believers to sign documents to "renounce" their faith and belief in Christianity.

In Saudi Arabia there is no religious freedom. Apostasy is punishable by death. There are no public worship services for non-Muslims. Anyone who does mission work or converts Muslims faces expulsion, jail, or execution.

Increasingly, our children are discriminated against for trying to present their Christian convictions in school.

In 1997 U.S. District Court Judge Ira DeMent struck down a law that required schools to allow voluntary student-initiated prayers at school events, saying it created excessive state entanglement in religion. He ordered the end to school-sponsored religious activities, such as prayers during morning announcements and at school events even though it isn't forced on students.

A high school student in Florida was suspended for handing out religious literature before and after - but not during - school hours. Two high school students in Texas were told by their principal they could not wear rosaries. The Principal claimed that they were symbols of gang activity, even though the boys were not involved in any gang.

http://naacd.com/blog/

In 2002, music teachers in Michigan, Maryland, and Virginia didn't allow students to perform traditional carols like "Silent Night" and "The First Noel" during Chrismas. A New Jersey public school banned the Charles Dickens play, "A Christmas Carol" because of its spiritual overtones and message of redemption.

The trend in the public forum is to replace the word "Christmas" with "Season's Gretings" or "Happy Holidays."

In March 1998, The ACLU put pressure on the small town of Republic, Missouri to remove a fish symbol from its official logo, calling it a "secret sign of Christianity."

In April 1998, Rev. Patrick Mahoney was arrested for praying on the steps of the Supreme Court.

Tourists visiting Washington D.C. in 1997 were ordered by the police to stop praying in the rotunda of the U.S. Capitol.

In 2003, the National Park Service removed 30 year-old plaques inscribed with Bible verses at Grand Canyon following complaints from the American Civil Liberties Union.

You Flunk!…If You’re Anti-Gay!
“Jonathan Lopez, a Christian student at the Los Angeles Community College District, has sued the school saying that a professor kept him from finishing a classroom speech about his religious beliefs and opposition to same-sex unions. Lopez has said he was discriminated against because of his religious views.
Lopez said the professor, John Matteson, told him to ‘ask God’ for his grade and later threatened to retaliate against him for complaining. College officials said in court filings that disciplinary proceedings have begun against Matteson but declined to be
more specific.


Elementary School Blots Out God
“An elementary school in Tennessee, after successfully rebuffing an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit over religious expression on campus, has nonetheless ordered the words ‘God Bless the USA’ and ‘In God We Trust’ covered up on student-made posters in the hallway.
Administrators at Lakeview Elementary School in Mr. Juliet, Tenn., told parents that the posters, promoting the See You at the Pole student prayer event, mentioned ‘God’ and are therefore precluded by school board policy and prohibited in the always as inappropriate.
‘Christian students shouldn’t be censored for expressing their beliefs,’ said ADF Senior Counsel Nate Kellum in a statement. ‘It’s ridiculous as well as unconstitutional to cover up these references to God and prayer—one of which is the national motto.’” (WorldNetDaily. 3/3/09)

School administrators at Colorado's Columbine High School, the site of the 1999 student massacre, picked through and pried loose more than 90 of the 2,100 ceramic tiles in tribute to those killed and placed in a hallway above student lockers. The offense? The tiles were painted with messages such as "God is Love" and "4/20/99 Jesus wept" and were deemed "objectionable."

An "Easter Can Drive" sponsored annually by a Warriors for Christ club at a Hampton, Va., high school was changed to "Spring Can Drive" by administrators because they found the word "Easter" potentially offensive. The can drive was to raise funds for the local YMCA women's shelter.

Coach Can’t Bow Head In Prayer
“The U.S. Supreme Court has refused to hear a case involving a high school football coach’s effort to respect his players’ tradition of stopping for a moment of prayer prior to games, leaving in place an appeals court decision that essentially mandates a school policy of ‘hostility,’ according to The Rutherford Institute.
‘This decision undermines a time-honored tradition that has less to do with religion than it does athletic tradition,’ said John Whitehead, chief counsel of The Rutherford Institute which argued the case on behalf of Coach Marcus Borden of East Brunswick High School in New Jersey.
‘It’s a sad statement on our rights as Americans that schools are no longer bastions of freedom. We’ve become so politically correct and secularized that religious individuals who seek the same First Amendment rights as others are censored,’ Whitehead said.
A federal court of appeals concluded the high school coach broke the law routinely when he would bow his head or ‘take a knee’ while his team prayed before games—a school tradition of 25 years.” (WorldNetDaily. 3/3/09.)

We have been accommodating them with out problems for hundreds of years.It has only been the last 15 or so years that we have been having problems.The problems are largely and nearly always brought on by Atheist who demand people only worship in their own home.

Is there any reason you must sound like a psychology professor when you post replies?Critical analysis?This is a forum for a singles site.It's not Harvard law school.

My rational reply to your post is well with in my mental capacity.It is with in my mental capacity because I am well informed on these issues concerning Christian/homosexual issues because I read about them in the news on what seems a daily basis.And I can say with all honesty that 95% of the time the homosexuals get their way when it comes to these issues.

Your Dr phil anayalis that my brain is somehow inhibited because it is filled with hate and is broken is nothing but stupid.

It's not hate you have a problem with.It is the fact that I have a clear understanding that homosexuals do not want equality.They want special rights that put them in a category above everyone else in America.If you would take time to read the Constitution and the Bill of rights(which you obviously have never read)you would realize homosexuals like everyone else has every right every other person living in this country has.

Yes Christians discriminate.That is what separates us from the Atheist.If you want us to accept everyone and everything then are we Christians anymore?No we are nothing but Atheists.

My well thought and rational reply is that all people are created equal and do not deserve any rights above anyone else regardless of who they are.That includes understanding that marriage is not a right to anyone gay or straight.I understand that in this country people get offended by homosexuals and the life they live.Just as I understand homosexuals get offended by the life Christians live.Why should either side have to accept what they believe is wrong.

I find it extremely ironic you talk about oppression and discrimination yet this is exactly what you stand for.You want Christians oppressed and shut up.You want Christians fired,fined,and thrown in jail for speaking against homosexuals.You want special rights that demand Christians have to tolerate,accept,and embrace everything you say and do.

I was in a hospital once watching a woman smoke a cigarette through a hole in her throat because she had throat cancer from smoking and had to have part of it removed.People are going to smoke no matter what.


I say leave the people alone!Everyone already knows smoking is bad for you and smokers don't give a rats a**.As a welder for over 10 years I have probably inhaled things 100 times worse than cigarette smoke.I inhaled it because I also don't give a rats a**.I could care less if I don't make it to 80.I am going to live my life the way I want to and I don't need a nanny telling me what is good or bad for me.

As Chuck norris said once "Lady if I want to kill myself it's my business"(taking the 6 pack of beer out of the garbage and throwing the fruit and vitamins in the garbage can).

I often find it interesting that these arrest Bush hippies never look at "cause and effect".Why is the country being bombed and civilians being blow up to begin with.It is being bombed because...

1.)Bin laden declared a deceleration of war by attacking us.
2.)Refuses to wear uniforms which only increases civilian casualties.
3.)Uses civilians to hide behind when they attack.
4.)Refuses to surrender which would stop the bombs and civilian casualties.

We never asked for this War and we will stop it as soon as they surrender.Every innocent that is killed is dead because of what Bin laden did and continues to do.If anyone should be charged with War crimes it is him because he is the person who started this whole mess and continues to keep it going.

How would this be playing out if you had a Muslim woman in a burqa giving marriage licenses to the Jews?You think you might have a conflict and problems and her having objections?What if it was the other way around.How about a Jewish immigrant from Jerusalem giving a license to a Palestine immigrant?

I think it's reasonable for her to say she feels uncomfortable associating with Jews because of her religious beliefs and common sense would tell you that firing her is going to land you in a heap of trouble.A more reasonable approach would be to move her to another area where she doesn't have to see people face to face.

In my lifetime I have never seen a group of people that have been more disrespectful,more intolerant,more "my way or the highway",then the homosexuals.They don't care about anyone but me,myself and I.They piss on everyone.Society and the Christians have bent over backwards trying to get along with the homosexuals and all they keep doing is giving us the middle finger.

Why is it when a homosexual is offended the entire world must be turned upside down and backwards to please that one person?Homosexuals want to use either bathrooms-we have to do it,homosexuals want gay pride parades payed for with tax dollars-we have to do it,homosexuals want laws demanding people get thrown in prison for "hate crimes" when people speak out against them-we have to do it.Homosexuals are getting treated like the elite by our Government who bends over backwards to give them anything they demand.

I'm getting tired of reading how the homosexuals steam roll over everyone who gets in their way because they dare to say "I don't approve".And I'm tired of our Government who is being led by a dog collar by the homosexuals firing,fining,and telling Christians to shut their mouths and move out of the country.


I can only dream that one day I will read a single news story telling me how a homosexual respected the nature of a Christian man or womans beliefs and simply says"I know this person doesn't approve of my lifestyle and I understand why they may not want to associate with me.I do not believe it would be right to force them to accept my way of life against their religious beliefs".


But I know tolerance and disapproval is a unknown word in the homosexual community.

This will be fought out in courts for the next 10 years.A company has the right to fire you for any reason they want to and can get away with it.However religious people of this country do have the freedom of religion and that is a RIGHT that can not be trampled over by the Government or anyone else.

I can see both sides of this issue.The county has a job to do and this person is not doing it.Should she be fired for refusing to do her job?Maybe.It would seem to me if a person is offended because it is against their religion the company could either find her a different job or have her not process the homosexual registrations.

There is no doubt she was fired for her religious beliefs.Can a company fire her anyways?Yes but they also violated her religious rights.She was wrongly fired for her belief in Christianity and that will have a price to pay.

Bush should get a medal for water boarding terrorist.I keep hoping some documents will pop up showing he tortured them with some good old fashioned machinery like the iron maiden,the rack,thumb screws,hot coals,and others.


Every country should have a dungeon for terrorist with good old fashioned torture equipment.This water boarding stuff is weak!Give me some stories of eye balls popping out,or someone flogged to death,or some ones head squished in a vise.

Sounds like a good idea to me.Guns and trucks is part of what made this country great.Not a big fan of that dinky AK-47.I think a AR-15 sounds better.I'll bet the crime rate goes way down in that neighborhood after this promotion.

I am not one who likes to censor things but like everything in life I know there should be exceptions.This book should be one of them.It has no value to anyone except for those who wish to do harm to children.What kind of a society are we living in when we think this kind of thing is normal and ok?

Books or videos that are teaching or promoting adults having sex with children should be burned and destroyed.I'm sure no parents on this planet want to hear how their children were lured into sex with some 50 year old guy because of techniques he learned from books on how to seduce children.It's sick,disgusting,and pure evil.I can only imagine the person who wrote this is a single,disgusting,ugly,piece of sh**,who has never had children and is too worthless for any women to have sex with him.


I will join in Jesus on this issue....

Mark 9:42

"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck


I'm sure this will be a best seller in Middle eastern Islamic countries.9 years old is fine with Muslims.

I think they should stay out of marriage period.Why is this even a government issue?What does this have to do with the Constitution or the bill of rights?Nothing!It's nothing but a huge waste of time and money.Do we need the Government to stick it's nose into birthday parties,anniversaries,funerals,and other events?Isn't marriage just another tradition that has never had anything to do with the government?

If these issues are not rights and if they are not mentioned in the Constitution or the bill of rights then let the people deal with them at the local level.We don't constantly need the brain dead government telling the people of this country that any of these traditions and ceremonies are now their property,under their control,and will be defined as what they are by what the Government tells us they should be.

It's horse shi*!

We have our Constitution and the bill of rights.Anything that does not deal with this issues(such as marriage)should legally be dealt with the voters to determine what it defines and who it affects.This country is acting like a dictatorship with this marriage BS telling the people what it is and who it involves.

But thank God people are putting a halt to this liberal,political correct,BS.The removal of 3 superior court judges in Iowa was a great start.Judges are going to learn one way or another it is the people that have the final word.

Government needs to butt out of marriage gay or straight.It is none of their business.All these law suits are just wasting tax payers money on issues that should be left to the voters not the Government.Marriage isn't a right and marriage isn't in the Constitution or the bill of rights,therefore Government doesn't need to waste time worrying about it.

http://www.denverpost.com/politics/ci_16569467


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has decided to begin publicly walking away from what it once touted as key deadlines in the war in Afghanistan in an effort to de-emphasize President Barack Obama's pledge that he'd begin withdrawing U.S. forces in July 2011, administration and military officials have told McClatchy Newspapers.

The new policy will be on display next week during a conference of NATO countries in Lisbon, Portugal, where the administration hopes to introduce a timeline that calls for the withdrawal of U.S. and NATO forces from Afghanistan by 2014, the year when Afghan President Hamid Karzai once said Afghan troops could provide their own security, three senior officials told McClatchy, along with others speaking anonymously as a matter of policy.

The Pentagon also has decided not to announce specific dates for handing security responsibility for several Afghan provinces to local officials and instead intends to work out a more vague definition of transition when it meets with its NATO allies.

What a year ago had been touted as an extensive December review of the strategy now also will be less expansive and will offer no major changes in strategy, the officials said. So far, the U.S. Central Command, the military division that oversees Afghanistan operations, hasn't submitted any kind of withdrawal order for forces for the July deadline, two of those officials said.

Shift already underway

The shift already has begun privately and came in part because U.S. officials realized the conditions in Afghanistan were unlikely to allow a speedy withdrawal.

"During our assessments, we looked at if we continue to move forward at this pace, how long before we can fully transition to the Afghans? Of course, we are not going to fully transition to the Afghans by July 2011," said one senior administration official. "Right now, we think we can start in 2011 and fully transition sometime in 2014."

Another official said the administration also realized in contacts with Pakistani officials that the Pakistanis had concluded wrongly that July 2011 would mark the beginning of the end of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan.

That perception, one Pentagon adviser said, has convinced Pakistan's military — which is key to preventing Taliban sympathizers from infiltrating Afghanistan — to continue to press for a political settlement instead of military action.

"This administration now understands that it cannot shift Pakistani approaches to safeguarding its interests in Afghanistan with this date being perceived as a walk-away date," the adviser said.

Last week's midterm elections also have eased pressure on the Obama administration to begin an early withdrawal. Earlier this year, some Democrats in Congress pressed to cut off funding for Afghanistan operations. With Republicans in control of the House of Representatives beginning in January, however, there will be less push for a drawdown. The incoming House Armed Services Committee chairman, Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., told Reuters news agency last week that he opposed setting the date.

On Tuesday, a White House official who spoke with reporters in a conference call about the December review said the administration might withdraw some troops next July and may hand some communities over to Afghan authorities. But he said a withdrawal from Afghanistan could take "years," depending on the capability of the Afghan national-security forces.

He also said the December review would measure progress in eight areas, though he declined to specify what those are. Congress will get a report by early next year, but Army Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of U.S.-led international forces in Afghanistan, will not testify.

"This is designed to be an inside-the-administration perspective," he said, adding that it will "set the policymaking calendar" for the Obama administration's first six months of next year.

De-emphasizing deadlines also allows the administration greater flexibility in responding to conditions in Afghanistan, officials said.

While the Taliban is facing increasing coalition airstrikes, it has no driving incentive to negotiate with an unpopular government. Officials in Afghanistan quietly worry that while they, too, are seeing some drops in violence and the Taliban's hold in pockets of the country, those limited improvements aren't leading to better governance.

A U.N. report issued in August showed that civilian casualties rose 31 percent during the first half of the year compared with the previous year; 76 percent were caused by the Taliban, it said. More than 400 U.S. troops have been killed so far this year.

Many officials privately worry that talk of a withdrawal without results will cost the military credibility, with Americans and Afghans alike.

"Good governance"

"What we ultimately need in Afghanistan is good governance," said one senior military officer. "Right now there is a gap" between security gains and governance.

Christopher Preble, the director for foreign-policy studies at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in Washington, said he's not surprised that the scope of the December review has narrowed and that Obama administration officials are no longer highlighting the July 2011 date.

"The very players who were arguing so strenuously for a deepening of our involvement in Afghanistan a year ago are unlikely to now declare that their earlier recommendations were faulty," he said.

Screw those terrorist and screw those who are defending them!

If I was president water boarding wouldn't be outlawed it would be mandatory when extracting information.I'm glad Bush has the balls to stand by what he did and in his recent interviews said he would do it again.

I feel no pity for terrorist.They are lower than dirt and have no value.Dogs and pigs are better then they are.Any justice fair or unfair,and punishment fair or unfair is just fine with me.

I can only imagine Bush's book will make it to the #1 spot the first week it is released.I might buy it if was really cheap but I don't think it is really telling us anything we already didn't know.

I think bars are great places to meet alcoholics and easy women.I also know if you are a Christian a bar or club is the last place in the world you should be looking for other Christians.As one of my friends told me "you will not find your princess hanging out in a bar".I know from clubbing every weekend from my early twenties to my early thirties nothing could be more true.

People are people and birds of a feather flock together.If you are a Christian dating a Atheist you are going to have problems.I have dated Atheist women several times and Christian women many times.I have had the same problems with both of them.

A woman going to church doesn't mean that much.I have met girls in church that were more wild and more sexually active then Brittney spears on a Friday night.However if you can meet a girl in church who is committed to God and a real Christian then I believe you will be a happy person.


Are Christian women better than Atheist women?There is no doubt in my mind they are.They are more giving,more loving,and more forgiving then Atheist women.They understand commitment,are not likely to cheat,are willing to get married,and nearly always want children.

I dated a Atheist women for over 3 years.I loved that woman but I also couldn't stand her half the time.She never tipped,she said if we ever got married I would have to take her last name,was extremely selfish,would not have children,was pro choice,and often had a negative look on life.

Kind loving man.Now thats funny!Except if you are a Christian right?If you are a Christian you are lower than dirt,ignorant,brain washed,sick in the head,stupid,homophobic,racist,according to your own words from what I have read debating you hundreds of times.

Well kind loving man.I think myself and others would not shed a tear if your daily nauseating,insulting,posts ceased to exist.I know you have given me enough insults to last me several lifetimes.I know if you ever leave this place it will certainly be hard to find another person who is as dedicated as yourself spending half the day writing mini novels dedicated to insulting,smearing,and warping the Christian religion.


Know this...People have spent their entire lives trying to fight Christianity and the bible.They have never succeeded and they never will.No matter what you say or what you do you will never make history as someone who had any effect on the bible.Millions have tried and their names and their works have long been forgotten.As Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away".Indeed that is true as there is no doubt the Holy bible will be until the end of time with billions of followers no matter what you or anyone else has to say about it.Why Atheist waste hours,days,and years fighting what they know is losing battle from the start is beyond me.

I am more old fashioned.I prefer the church to be rocking and rolling from side to side.


Shake the Foundation


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9kODBmZGE