I wouldn't expect you to my dear.



That is a very healthy attitude. I would have to agree with them.



Of course you do. That is what your religion teaches.



If you want to discuss this subject then you should probably take it to another thread.



See now, you are bringing religion into this thread, even asking people what they think. You should start a new thread and I may talk to you about it there, but I won't on this thread.


Jeannie

Yes.. I agree, Jeannie.

Actually, I shared the question as something

to think about.......that's all....

we don't even have to say a word more.

(((((Abra))))))

You're soul seems full of poetry. You write as many poems here in a single season as I have written in my entire life... not to mention the songs...

Thank you for bringing them to us.

My grandparents had a tree farm in Michigan until just a few years ago. They always kept a few acres in corn and some wheat for the horses plus all kinds of berries, vegetables, etc. It was great. My cousins and I all loved the horses. Unfortunately, as my grandparents aged they couldn't keep the animals but my grandpa still rode around the farm on a golf cart checking on the crops and watching for deer up until he died two years ago.

I myself have never enjoyed killing but my uncles and grandpa loved to hunt. The deer must be hunted or starve from overpopulation so I understand the purpose of the hunt (plus they ate the meat). For me I just don't enjoy watching things die. I do like to shoot. Just not to kill.

I agree anoasis I too could not kill to eat meat......I am not a vegetarian but I would be if I had to kill the meat I put on the family table. I had a friend once who came back from deer hunting and gave me some meat....It was in my freezer more then a year before I tossed it....I have coffee with the deer everyday...I just could not bring myself to ever eat it.

I have a very good friend who is considering becoming a vegetarian. We are both looking into the possibility, although I have had a problem with it in the past because I ended up eating to much sweets and pastry. Not healthy. I was dieing for a hamburger, craving it in fact.

She eats chicken and turkey, as long as it does not look like it was freshly killed. One day her daughter brought home a chicken that had been baked whole. It was on a platter, looking very much like a dead animal. She looked at it and said "I'm sorry!"

Then she said she felt like she should take it out to the back yard and give it a proper burial.

When we did get ready to eat it, I had to cut it up, because she could not stand to do it herself. She is so funny.

Anyway, we are considering becoming vegetarians because of the contaminated meat that is everywhere. Finding food to replace the meat we eat is the hard part.

JB

No I could never eat the deer or the bunnies either. My uncle tried to trick us once by putting ground venison in chilli and I had a spoonful and spit it out "yuck" (I was c. 10 y.o).

Of course it's just our personal sensibilities. I could eat the chickens just fine!
Not very rational behavior. But I still prefer to get my chickens and other meat already butchered for me.

So you like to hire hit men huh?

The Godmother of the carnivores.

I have been a vegetarian since birth and to tell you the truth meat makes me sick in my stomach. If I smell it I throw up sometimes. I guess if your parents where vegetarian it helps with not eating meat. If you seriously consider not eating meat, I am able to help you. I have been posting vegetarian dishes for a little over 2 months now.

I raised on a carnivore diet. There was a time in my life when I became a vegetarian, for quite a few years actually. And during that time I grew my own food, including making my own flour and bread. I even raised bees for honey. I was pretty much self-sufficient in those days. Although I did keep chickens for eggs (so I wasn’t a vegan), and I wasn’t a strict vegetarian either. I would cull a chicken from time to time. Would also order meat dishes at restaurants. The only reason I was a vegetarian for the most part was because I was so heavily into gardening that I just lived on vegetables most of the time.

Later, I got away from the gardening. Not from lost of interest, but because of career and other things that just made it difficult to garden. Unfortunately I never got back into it. I’ve been wanting to for the past 3 years now, but it’s not all that easy. To garden where I live without a huge deer-proof fence, and rabbit and groundhog-proof fence is a total waste of time. The lack of having a protected area to garden in has really been the thing that keeps me from getting back into it.

I would like to become a vegetarian again. My sister has been a vegetarian for most of her life. She’s working hard now to become a complete vegan.



Where did you post them? I might take a look at some of them.

Bury it?!?! Too funny.... Again it's funny how we are all irrationally squemish about different things... I could not care less what happens to my body when I die. Medical students can play with it, you can cut it up for spare parts, whatever- I'm not using it anymore!! But I know many/most people do care...

BTW- I was a vegetarian for a few years. I did miss hamburgers and chicken and eventually decided to go back to eating meat. I agree with you too in that the last time I spent a week in a vegetarian household I gained 4 pounds because I always felt hungry and just kept on eating more and more cheese and peanut butter...

There is a lot happening in this thread and I am happy to see a place where people can get along if they so choose.

Hmm... ok I'll try to play with some things about me.

Seems like we have lots of painters. I went to art school for a year at 19 and found I wasn't happy painting and sculpting "on command"- on someone else's schedule. I still paint but only when I feel like it.

I became a veterinary technician (full time) and waitress (nights and weekends). I went to school part time for years with and eventually studied environmental sciences. I still work in environmental regulation- I try to explain to people what they should do and get people and industrys to do the right thing- then if they don't it's enforcement time. It's funny but great how people's attitudes about the environment have changed- for the better. It makes it a lot easier for me!

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the beach. I live only one block away and can see the ocean from my living room and bedroom which makes me very happy. I always wanted to live so close and I walk down to the beach several times a week. I know lots of people here who haven't been to the beach in years. I don't understand that and hope it never happens to me. Hmmm.... those reading are probably feeling sleepy by now (I know I am) so that's probably more than enough info.

Peace and joy to all.

I do!! I do hire hit men... Winn Dixie, Publix, hit men...

We found that putting human hair around the garden really helped keep the deer and bunnies away. My grandma would get a bag at the barber shop every now and then and freshen them up.

I am an omnivore.

Dear Abra,

I post on my profile everyday a vegetarian dish. I have successfully helped many on justsayhi become vegetarians. At first I never understood why is it so hard to be a vegetarian, yet then I realized that it is hard to be one if you are born and raised eating meat everyday on your dish. I was fortunate to not have to experience eating meat since birth as both my parents were vegetarians.
Today I understand completely that it can be hard at first if one is accustomed to meat. Nevertheless if you really want something it can be attained. I see you have once been a vegetarian through gardening and lived off vegetables. That is fabolous because you lived off organic foods. I shop only for organic food for my reasons. A topic I don't want to start for many begin to become allergic to you when you do. lol

Why not start a small garden again? It did relax you at the time and you must have felt alot better then to.

On my profile I post RECIPE OF THE DAY: I even show the recipe on photo display. I know my profile is long, but take the time to look at it and you will find it.

Unfortunately I am going to stop posting new stuff on my profile everyday for I grow weary doing it, yet I can help guide you in the process of becoming a vegetarian even after I stop posting new stuff on my profile.

We can start by not eating pork and beef for starters. This means still eat chicken and turkey and fish if you like and then gradually eliminate chicken one day. Then a few weeks later turkey and so forth.

I will work with you if you are up to it.

cheers

I have been doing container-gardening all along. I love to garden. The only problem is that I don’t grow enough to actually live off. Just things like tomatoes, peepers, zucchini, and cukes. I don’t have much room for much else. (I actually use the back of an old pickup truck as a garden/greenhouse) It keeps things up off the ground away from the small animals, and the deer typically don’t bother it either. Even a flimsy plastic greenhouse type cover will keep deer off. They could easily break though it, but aren’t prone to doing that. They think it’s a building I guess.

So I have continued to garden, just not on the scale required to actually live off it. No root crops, corn, or anything big. I was thinking of expanding my container gardening to include lettuce, spinach and herbs. I’m thinking about doing these all as “hanging plants” and actually using little pulleys so I can raise and lower them out of the reach of the dear.

Pretty crazy gardener huh?

I used to have a really huge garden where I could plant several differnet varieties of corn, melons, and lots of root crops like carrots, beets, potatoes, etc.

In addition to not having a good enough fence anymore. I’m also running low on physical stamina to actually do the work!!! I do have a Troy-Bilt tiller, but even so, it take a toll to dig, hoe, and even just bend over to tend the plants. I also have automatic seeders that plant rows of beans and corn. All that stuff going to waste just because I don’t have a fence anymore!!!

Fence is expensive, and it takes a lot of work to install too.



I have no problem cutting out meat. I mean, as far as missing it. What I always find is that meat is typically easer to prepare. I can just toss a piece of meat in a pan, fry it up and gobble it down and I’m on my way. I also use the outdoor grill a lot too. And I can get the meat cheap at a local church group. For $25 a month the provide frozen food (almost always meats). I bring the bags of meat home and toss them in the freezer. When I want to eat – I can grab them straight from the freezer, ‘klunk’ them onto the gas grill, turn it on low, go back to working around the house, and then about an hour later dinner’s ready!

It’s EASY!

I’m into crock pot cookery too. That can be easy for the veggies I guess. It takes time and energy to prepare everything, but I can do it at night, (I hate to waste daylight hours in the kitchen). I can fill up a couple crock pots, put them on low that night, and just eat out of them all the next day. Dinner’s served any moment I’m hungry! Always hot and ready. That does work pretty well.

Right now though my kitchen is in dire need of attention. It looks like the county land-fill after a tornado went through. I haven’t been the best housekeeper lately.

So right now I need easy meals that don’t require a lot of preparation.

Dear Abra,

I think that is brilliant gardening to tell you the truth. You make the most of what little space you have.

I will look for some slow cooking crockpot veggie dishes for you no problem.

Yes take the time to clean your kitchen and house! Throw out stuff you don't need! Once completed you will feel alot better. It will be kind of a relief if you do this. I make a major cleanup once a year throwing away or giving away stuff I don't use or need anymore. My yardsale is free give aways! LOL
I don't like to keep stuff I don't use, yet some love to collect and hold on to things.

Today we have spoken alot and have resolved some better ways of living if you may.

1. You watched the movie "The Secret" and took what good it had to offer to change the way of thinking perhaps.
2. You hopefully found the courage to talk to this woman you like.
3. You want to eat healthier by slowly getting rid of meat
4. You may want to convert your house to a light and easy clean sanctuary to feel good for yourself.

All in all you will slowly heal yourself!

I would like to tell you a small story of what I have experienced and will cut off many many things so it will not be soooo long. I don't mind if others read this also.

I was raised in a orphanage and never knew my parents. At age 17 I started a apprenticeship in Germany and completed it in three years. In Germany every profession if it will be a mechanic, waiter!, hotel, carpenter, or realestate one must first do a 3 year apprenticeship and the exams are then approved by the Commerce of Chamber. After I passed my exams I practiced my profession and then met a wonderful woman from Barcelona, Spain. We married a year later and had the opportunity to travel around the world. I quitted my proffesion and felt I had a greater calling ahead of me and searched for it. We eventually applied to work for the Red Cross. We worked together as Aid workers feeding children in Romania who lived in sewers to keep warm in the winter. We travelled to Bosnia and Kosovo and gave first aid kits, food, clothing, and stuffed animals to the war weary people. We travelled to over 28 countries in total helping in what ways we could and also received as a bonus the opportunity to see the different lifestyles, cultures, and belief systems. We then decided to leave Red Cross to join Greenpeace and participate in trying to stop whale and dolphin killing. Yes I was hosed down many times! lol
Eventually my wife wanted to settle down and have a child. We had one and moved here to Miami where half of her family lives. I didn't want to go to the United States to tell you the truth to raise my child, but some say in a marriage one has to compromise and so I did. As my child grew older I always had in the back of my mind where could my parents be. I always celeberated holidays with other family members besides my own. I wanted my parents to know that they are now grandparents. I suffered depression for many years especially around the holidays. I let it eat me up inside until I grasped and hunted for different philosophies of life that helped me re-examine myself. The first thing I needed to do is satisfy my curiousities or wonderings so to say and I looked eagerly for my father with help of a detective. Unfortunately I had no luck. Eventually I gave up and stop looking for a whole year. I then found strength again and looked through the website and found him with alot of luck. Another long story but will leave it at that.
We talked alot and became friends so to say. I never questioned him today why he didn't take care of me and just wanted to get to know him and be friends. As we in time grew together I healed and found energy to do many things I wanted again.
I am very lucky compared to my friends who I grew up with in the orphanage. They of course still don't know who their parents are.

Although I am a agnostic theist I do like to use something out of the bible. When Jesus walked down Bethlehem(correct me if I am wrong) with the heavy cross on his back, the many Romans and citizens at the time threw rocks and tomatoes at him. They cursed him out and said the nastiest things. He then was nailed on the cross and died. Later he was then ressurrected and stood in front of thousands of believers. Jesus - instead of being angry at the Romans and wanting revenge destroying every Roman town there is - he instead forgave everyone. I think this part is remarkable for he showed something that many today cannot do. He showed compassion, strength, and wisdom for forgiving. At least in my eyes he did at the time. If this story is actually true and valid, I will never know. I know you are a pantheist and were a christian at one time and probably know the story better then I. If I am wrong about this part of history then feel free to correct me. There is a similiar story in Ancient Egypt and I find it ironic that they can interlink with one another. lol
Anyway, the moral of the story is that I forgave my father for not raising me or even carrying if I was alive at a late age of 33 when I found him. It didn't matter to me.

I have learned a half a year later that his health conditions were getting worse and that he suffers from Agent Orange. He lived with Agent Orange after the war without a problem for this chemical was stored in his fatty tissue, yet when he suffered a heart attack he lost alot of weight and the agent orange seeped into his blood making his condition worse. I must add that he participated in the Vietnam War as a doctor and saved over 500 soldiers in heavy combat and received the silver star for this. When he returned back he was told that there weren't enough cases to find a solution to his problem with agent orange and the only thing they can do is give him morphine to reduce the icky pain feeling. He decided to bear the pain then take morphine on a regular bases becoming knumb in the body and slow in the brain.

I as usual not a big fan of the FDA and there methods decided to research harder about Agent Orange and found that in Vietnam those vietnam civilians who were affected by agent orange actually have a cure that cleanses the chemical out of the blood stream and fat cells. It is a special root that they boil for a long time and you drink it. I ordered it and had my father take it for over a year now. He is feeling alot better and has very little traces of agent orange doctors say when he visits them. If you look at statistics you will see that many soldiers do not survive agent orang. My father is lucky.

I think you can heal yourself also with your heart condition by changing the way you think, eating healthy, and enjoying things you really enjoy. I even think there are natural remedies for most sickenesses. Afterall they existed way before the FDA came to existence in this country. I am not saying FDA is all terrible, but I don't agree they really want the american public healthy. It would really cut their profits if everyone is healthy suddenly.

Sorry for the huge post, but I felt like I had to share this with you today.

You can heal your mind and your body and have the woman you are attracted to without being a burden or having guilty feelings later on. Trust me it can be done!

Thank you.

Overall, the FDA (IMHO) is not to be believed or trusted.

(But then I am an avid conspiracy theorists who suspects that the World Health Organization. the trilateral commission, the FDA and a few others have the unfortunate job of reducing the population by 2/3 before the earth reaches the critical stages of its crossover to the other side of the milky way galaxy on December 21, 2012.) whew.... that was a long sentence.

Let me get some air here... (.... takes a deep breath)

Okay.. now..., where was I?

Oh yeh, the FDA. Bureaucrats all of them. ...Drug pushers.

... wanders off shaking her head and mumbling.


.... goes to bed.

Dear Jeannie,

I agree with you that the FDA is not the ultimate source to find cures for sicknesses. I don't hold a single drug in my house. If anyone is sick here we drink organic tea or have vegetable broth. I say everyone to their own beliefs as I have debated this a million times with many who violently disagree with me.

I am also a big fan of Kevin Trudeau even if most people think he is a snake oil salesman. Many believe he lies alot also. I find him brilliant. Everyone to their own right! Lol

Natural Remedies all the way for me, yet for emergencies like broken leg a doctor is great to have around. lol

cheers

I also can't stand FDA controlled channels which include MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc. Every second commercial is about buying a drug for depression, sleep problem, heart problem etc. It is sad! I now only watch a movie once in awhile and stay away from commercials and silly reality shows that seem to dominate American television.

Thank you for your story...an incredible life you have lead.

smiless wrote:
Although I am a agnostic theist I do like to use something out of the bible. When Jesus walked down Bethlehem(correct me if I am wrong) with the heavy cross on his back, the many Romans and citizens at the time threw rocks and tomatoes at him. They cursed him out and said the nastiest things. He then was nailed on the cross and died. Later he was then ressurrected and stood in front of thousands of believers. Jesus - instead of being angry at the Romans and wanting revenge destroying every Roman town there is - he instead forgave everyone. I think this part is remarkable for he showed something that many today cannot do. He showed compassion, strength, and wisdom for forgiving. At least in my eyes he did at the time. If this story is actually true and valid, I will never know. I know you are a pantheist and were a christian at one time and probably know the story better then I. If I am wrong about this part of history then feel free to correct me. There is a similiar story in Ancient Egypt and I find it ironic that they can interlink with one another. lol
Anyway, the moral of the story is that I forgave my father for not raising me or even carrying if I was alive at a late age of 33 when I found him. It didn't matter to me.



I don't believe it should matter to you if the story is absolute truth or not. You found the moral of the story and applied it in your own life. Forgiving someone is an incredible act of love. Well done.


smiless wrote:
I think you can heal yourself also with your heart condition by changing the way you think, eating healthy, and enjoying things you really enjoy. I even think there are natural remedies for most sickenesses. Afterall they existed way before the FDA came to existence in this country. I am not saying FDA is all terrible, but I don't agree they really want the american public healthy. It would really cut their profits if everyone is healthy suddenly.



I too believe natural remedies are the way to go. I work in a field where clients are prescribed drugs for depression, sleep, anxiety, etc. I often wonder if the drugs over time do more harm than good. The FDA seems to push drugs through to increase profits for drug companies. Hospitals and insurance companies have to be in the deal somewhere as well.

feral...this is awonderful thread you started...ty