I'm not blaming anyone for discovering the equation of how to release energy from an atom ..like arnold said in Terminator 3 it was inevitable..what I'm saying is to say that Einstein was a pacifist while working on this equation is illogical ..anyone that knew the destructive power of gunpower clearly knew the power that equation could unleash ..or is that the thinking of a pacifist peace through the possiblity of total destruction ..

Dear funches,

I don't think Einstein knew the potential of his equation until much later when other scientists got involved and included him into the Manhattan Project. Although Einstein never participated into the Manhattan Project like the government wanted him to he realized with other scientists that his equations had many other uses.

I also believe he didn't like violence or war and truly wanted peace but knew this would never happen as long as Hitler was in power. He did however mention 5 months before his death that he regrets sending the letter to the president after hearing that the president used two bombs on the two Japanese cities making Japan surrender. I think it deeply saddened him, yet perhaps in the long run it saved many lives since the war could have perhaps lasted another long year with many more deaths.

These are hard decisions the president had to take and even Einstein at the time. A scary feeling to tell you the truth and I am glad I wasn't the person who had to decide them at the time.

cheers

so you are saying that Einstein knew the potential explosive power that a teeny tiny firecracker was capable of but couldn't conceive the explosive power of a potential atom bomb? ...are you sure this guy was a genius?

Just a point. He didn't create any equation, he merely discovered it. Energy is energy, it has infinite uses. Just because an equation he discovered was used to make the atom bomb it doesn't mean he isn't a pacifist.

I mean it is also used in Nuclear Power plants. There are plenty of nonviolent ways to use energy.

Beethoven was a genius, but he wouldn't have been able to understand that. A genius is highly intelligent but they are not all knowing. Maybe he could understand physics and math well in theory, but he wasn't so good at application. I don't know I never met the guy. But just by saying someone doesn't know or understand a certain thing doesn't mean they can't be a genius.

If we look at it on a religious view, God did not create evil.

One could say because God created everything, and things he created created evil, then God created evil, but it would almost be like saying because your child killed someone, your a murderer as well.

But evil can also be considered the privation of the good, in which case, one cannot create evil because evil is a kind of negation and one cannot create a negation.

The problem with these types of questions is defining terms like evil and God, because if everyone gives an argument, but are thinking of such things with different definitions in mind, then it's fruitless.

So what we should be asking is "what is...?" questions first.

What is Evil?
What is God?

Dear Chazster,

Thank you for clarifying about Einstein. I was trying to explain this in recent notes, yet funches likes to boil up heat in these religious forums. I have been watching him for awhile do this on other chat forums.
All I can say is that Einstein has many times on interviews mention that he didn't want to get involved in the Manhattan Project and had also mentioned that he is a pacifist each time. I am certain he discovered his formula or equation for non violent purposes. Of course there will always be one person who disagrees, but all I can say is read Einstein's biographies, read him on the internet and judge for yourself if he is a genius or a pacifist or not. You will see that most will consider him a genius and believe that what he said about pacifism is true.

This forum is actually about the question :Did God create evil so it would be best to change the subject and let others answer this ongoing topic with no end. Some yes he did and others say no he didn't and many more will say there is no God. Whatever the case have fun discussing this. lol

Cheers

anyone can claim to be a pacifist ..so how can you tell if they truely are ..well if they go around discovering equational concepts that can destroy the world and then presenting them to the government ..that doesn't sound much like a pacifist ..it sounds like someone is trying to cover their butt




you mean like in nuclear powered submarines that launch nuclear weapons ....nuclear power is such immense power that no matter how it is used it take strict measures to control and/or regulate it ...it's nothing pacifist about this type of power

"Chazster" now you are confusing what a "Genius" is with what an "idiot savant" may be ..a Genius is someone with extraordinary conception and comprehension skills ..an idiot savant is a person with autism that has extraordinary skills buy may lack the conprehension skills neccessary to conceive what they are doing ...so was Einstein a "Genius" or an "Idiot Savant"

Jeannie

Sometimes I truly wonder where people get their info......


There is massive misinformation.....When you are baptized just like when John the Baptiste baptized Jesus it was to give your life of sin going under the water and coming up clean of sin and giving your life to God....In those days of Jesus it was for God....In our times it is for Jesus. It it no way represents or has anything to do with slaughtered animals.

Jesus coming to earth for our salvation is what was the end of sacraficail animal killings. It was the end also of the mosiac law.....not meaning that you still didn't have to live by certain laws just not the jewish part of it....because Jesus coming to save all not just the jews.

I honestly wish if people are going to type what they believe scipturally that they honestly knew what it meant or represented. When you take the cracker and the wine or juice this represents Christ body (wafer or cracker) and the wine or juice represents his blood......no animal anything involved. This is done out of respect for what Jesus Christ did when he laid down his life for the world. Also when his father (God) turned away from his son. It wasn't because he didn't love and adore him it was because God could not look at all the sin Jesus was taking on to himself.ank.

And I could see why it would creep you out......but taken in the context that it is supposed to be....not so creepy huh.

right "smiless" from now on I will never question what anyone says and we can all live in the land of make-believe along side with the little elves and hobbits where the world is flat and fairies sprinkle angel dust on everyone




well "smiless" you are assuming it wasn't on topic ..some people would considered the pacifist Einstein as being evil even in league with Satan for bringing such an evil destructive power to fruitation and Einstein could have not brought it to the world if it didn't already exist and it only exist but for the grace of God

Einstein brought the equation to the world just like God supposely brought Man into existence and now both God and Einstein deny any responsibility for the outcome of their works by God claiming to be Love and blaming Man and Einstein claiming to be a pacifist and blaming others

funches or whatever you are called, you really have a issue with yourself. Everyone who posts something up you choose to reject and say it is wrong. You are just in triffle with yourself aren't you! You are a angry person who cannot accept the facts. It seems to me that you were there when Einstein created this equation or even made his decisions. I base my beliefs from his biographies I have at home and help from the internet.
Again as I have mentioned over and over again how this all started, yet you refuse to listen. You remind me of one of those little bullies in school that must have it their way or they force it down your throat. Very pathetic at the least I must say. If anyone is living in a fairy tale world, I would say it is you. I never asked you to accept my opinion and you can believe what you want, yet I never used sarcasm unless it was used against me first and I never attacked you on this subject as you have with me. Therefore I am here to defend my opinion.

I will again try to explain to you, yet it seems hopeless in your case.

Some have referred Einstein as the father of the atomic bomb as you are doing now, but I personally do not believe this is an appropriate association because Albert Einstein was a pacifist as he has written in many of his notes and even mentioned in many interviews that he was on. FACT: He did not create the atomic bomb. FACT: He did not support wars. FACT: He did not participate in any military either. FACT: He consitently preached the consequences of what wars can do and why they are not good.
FACT: He did however sent a letter to the president indicating the threat of Germany as his only contribution to the problem at the time. If you think that makes him not a pacifist anymore then so be it. If you think he actually created the atomic bomb and that qualifies him as not being a pacifist anymore then rewrite his biographies and say he was a liar. Perhaps you will make a fortune on it.

People think of him as being associated with the atomic bomb because his famous equation E=MC2 predicted that a huge amount of energy would be released if matter were converted into energy. In a paper he wrote, he mentioned that this could be explored by studying radioactive elements.

The real 'inventor' of the atomic bomb was Leo Szilard, but the details were worked out by the group of scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos New Mexico during WW2.

I must remind you Albert Einstein didn't participate in the Manhatten Project.

According to your replies he is a insane maniac who represents god and created evil. I am sure many will not agree with you.

You also say:

First God blaming man???

I never said this and I am sure if there is a God he wouldn't blame anyone for anything. Why should he? At least that is what I think. You can have your own opinion on this.

Einstein blaming others? I am sure he didn't do this either. He was a scientist who put much thought into things. His studies weren't meant to create atomic bombs if you read his biographies. Many scientists later on discovered the power of his equations and many working for the government as spies saw that German scientists working for Hitler trying to create a ultimate bomb. Therefore the Manhattan Project came in effect.


No one said you cannot question and give out your opinions. I know I didn't! If you believe that Einstein was evil and not a pacifist it is your right to. I am sure many will agree with you, yet believe me, many will not and I am one of them.

I admit I do not understand the baptism thing, but I see it as a ritual cleansing. I do it myself sometimes when I shower, I imagine all the impurities, parasites, germs etc. being washed from both my body and my soul. A ritual is for the benefit of the unconscious and mental states.

But the sacrifice of an animal for your sins happened a lot before they attempted to end that practice after the sacrifice of the man/god Jesus for the same purpose. Back then, the animals that were slaughtered were then eaten, and the blood was drank. Some cultures (primitive ones) still practice this today. It too is a ritual.

In religious practice the eating of the wafer and the drinking of the wine represent this same ritual sacrifice. This ritual is for the purpose of cementing the ritual into the unconscious mind.

You say it is done out of respect for what Jesus Christ did when he laid down his life for the world, but I see it representing the ritual sacrifice to the alien gods to pay for the sins of mankind. It too is a ritual. The blood is drank, the flesh is eaten, in the form of wine and wafer.

This ritual creeps me out and feels like a blood cult. People have their own feelings about it, but it still boils down to a blood sacrifice to pay for the sins of lowly mortals.

People sometimes condemn wiccans for having an alter where they pray and meditate, but Christian have there alters and their strange rituals and their symbols too. Then they set themselves above others claiming that they are different, and that their god and their rituals are holy while others are evil. They do not realize that Christianity has arisen from pagan ritual.

Jeannie

To funches,

What was Einstein's involvement in the atom bomb?

He wrote a letter to US President Franklin Roosevelt in 1939 pointing out that in theory atomic energy could produce wildly powerful explosives; he said '...A single bomb of this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might well destroy the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory...'

It didn't turn out to be an especially important letter, for it pretty much got lost in the bureaucracy, and for over two years the US did very little to create a workable bomb. (At one point Enrico Fermi, the brilliant Italian-born Nobel Laureate, was waiting to enter a meeting in Washington where he wanted to convince government administrators that it was crucial to build a bomb before the Nazis did; 'Some wop is waiting outside' is what he heard, when his presence was, finally, announced.)

Only in 1941 did the US project speed up jump-started by impatient British visitors! By that time though Einstein was left to the side. His technical skills wouldn't have been needed much anyway, for the actual building of a bomb was largely an applied engineering project.

But even if he'd wanted to help he wouldn't have been allowed. The FBI had been investigating him, and concluded that this harmless elderly professor was a subversive, and a danger to America!

ok "smiless" are you finish auditioning for Dr. Phil's Job and can''t we just stick to debating




what are you trying to explain to me?..that we disagree?...you said Einstein is a pacifist and I say Pacifists don't go around discovering Equations of Mass Destruction and handing them to the government ..so what point are you trying to explain that it's ok for pacifist to work indirectly on things that has the potential to kill a massive amount of people ..



and as I said before... you won't find many of those disbelievers on Hiroshima and Nagasaki



I know God wouldn't blame Man for anything he just floods the planet and all the Men somehow gets in the way and drown except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark that he just happen to warn beforehand... but I know what you would say... that God didn't drown anyone the water did ..the water is evil and not God

To funches,

The race for atomic bomb begins

People then began to start to think if e=mc2 can power the sun, then could we use it to generate power on earth? Can we release energy inside atom for our own purposes?

Einstein reply to this is that it is not practical to get energy out of atom. However hard that it is tried it will always take more energy to smash an atom than was created.

In 1933 Hitler came to power in Germany. Germany is a great centre in Physic. They research on how to release energy from atom to create bomb. They have found that radioactive are suitable as the substance. But how to break them is another challenge altogether.

In 1933 (Leo Szilard) work out how to make e=mc2 into a bomb. He studied in Berlin and left shortly after Hitler came to power. He realized people are going about it the wrong way. Scientist release energy by hitting alpha particle (consist of 2 proton and 2 neutron) onto nuclear but create very little energy. Since both the particle and nuclear carry positive electric charge they are like 2 magnets that will repel each other. This prevents it from blasting apart.

He had also discovered the neutron. It has no electric charge. It won’t repel. It will hit on nuclear and nuclear can be split.

Leo’s theory: If you hit an atom with a neutron, as the atoms are divided, it will not only release energy but also create 2 or 3 more neutrons. Then the neutron will break more nuclear. As chain reaction multiplies then you have a bomb. This is a way of getting energy out of atom without pumping in vast amount of energy. All u have to do is have one tiny neutron to get a chain reaction.

In 1938, less than a year before outbreak of World War 2, he receives news that the German has found out about neutron.

He decides to use Einstein to alert the world of Nazi’s atomic bomb. He believes he is saving the world. When Einstein realized how the bomb can affect the world. He wrote a letter in 1939 to Franklin Roosevelt about the bomb.

In the wilderness in New Mexico, the US gov set up a top secret project. They name it Manhattan. 2.2 billion dollar is spent. It is today’s 50 billion dollars. In May 1945 before the bomb is complete, the Nazi surrenders. The war in Europe is over.

Although there is no threat, the work of Manhattan continues. 2 month after the defeat of Nazi, the bomb is complete. Japan war continues. The target has been selected. Hiroshima, Japan.

Aug 1945. The first atomic bomb is drop. It fell through the air 43 second. 0.6gm of mass is converted into 12.5 kiloton of energy in 6/10 second. That is the power of e=mc2. Hiroshima bomb is a small bomb that cos the death of 70k ppl. Radiation sickness causes another 70k death. The bomb destroys 98% of city.

Einstein was horrified. He campaign against the spread of nuclear weapon and development.

There is another side to e=mc2 . It is only clear after his death. Scientist discover that the e=mc2 are not only the eq for destruction but also the eq of creation.

On the technological level, a lot of medical scanning equipment, radiation therapy, television sets, nuclear power stations and much else also operate in accord with the equation. But again, they too were largely built up by scientists who could have made them work even without realising that the principles which they followed could be so easily summarised by the few simple symbols of E=mc².

There is baptisim which is different then communion......baptisim happen when you truly give yourself to Christ Jesus. This is done in water....

Communion is when you do the bread and wine.,..And this is in direct corralation with the last supper where Jesus when breaking bread with his disciples and knowing that shortly he would be arrested and put to death. Took the bread and told his disciples, "This is my body eat in remberance of me." He then took the cup of wine and told his disciples this is my blood drink it in rememberance of me where he passed both the bread and the wine to all of his disciples.

I understand what your saying as far as yourself as a ritual cleansing...but baptisim is not....It's going under the water with all your sin and coming up in a new life....A life of Christ....and dedicating your life to Jesus Christ.....For a Chrisitan this is huge...


In the times of Moses and before they did sacrafice the purest of their stock as a sacrafice to God....It had to be a lamb with no blemishes..meaning had to be perfect in both color and in health......The first born. However it was done even in that time in a very civil manner and was burned as a burnt offering to the Lord God....These animals were never eaten.....I have never known at least for Chrisitians of them eating or drinking the blood....would not be a complete sacrafice if that were the case...and often times they put the blood and/or animal at the alter for the Lord.

And see jeannie as far as communion this was done first by Jesus Christ with his disciples and then passed on to the communion we know today....I do this at least twice a month and it is a very solmn as you say ritual for me....When I take the wafer I am thanking Jesus for dying for me and through the wine I am thanking him for shedding his blood for me.

There is no blood sacrafice except that of Jesus Christ. And I get what your saying about the wicans and or the Christians but understand that for a Christian as through God himself if you worship any other then me....It is a sin in the eyes of God...Now again I am no ones judge but again I would not be a good Chrisitan if at least I didn't put it out there...What the people do with it of course is up to them.

And there is much much more to Christianity then it stemming from pagan rituals. Christians throughout time have had to fight and hide for their beliefs and in the end it is the largest religious sector today.....But as with the Christians 1,500 years ago to today are always being attacked.....

I always tell people to study really in depth study of religion before you jump to conclusions on ones beliefs. I have studies many many religion and with all their is good and bad.....and it is to me.......nothing to do with "Religion" but a personal relationship with my Lord God and Jesus Christ.

To funches,

Who Invented the Atomic Bomb?


But how many people can name the inventor of the Atomic Bomb and the Nuclear Reactor? I ask this question often; few know the answer. Some answers are:

Robert Oppenheimer.

This is the most common answer. Oppenheimer was the brilliant theoretical physicist who headed the Manhattan Project, but he did not invent the bomb. When Oppenheimer was told in 1939 that uranium had been split, releasing more energy than it absorbed, he gave a brilliant one-hour extemporaneous explanation of how it was impossible. He did change his mind when he later was faced with irrefutable evidence. No, it was not this establishment scientist.

Enrico Fermi.

This is a common answer. A Nobel Laureate, Enrico Fermi was the world’s leading expert on bombarding atoms with subatomic particles (like the neutrons that split Uranium). As such he was also the physicist chosen to work with the Atomic Bomb’s inventor to build the experimental nuclear reactor at the University of Chicago in late 1942. When Fermi was told in 1939 that Uranium had been split and I. I. Rabi asked him the likelihood that two neutrons would be released thus making a chain reaction and an atomic bomb possible, Fermi said the likelihood was “remote.” Rabi asked “what do you mean by “remote”? Fermi replied “About 10%.” Rabi said, “If we may all die from it, 10% is not remote.” Fermi did not invent the bomb. It was not this establishment scientist.

Albert Einstein

This, too, is a common answer. The best known physicist of this century, the energy derived from atomic bomb and nuclear reactor are based on his formula: E = mc2. In 1939, when told about the possibility of an atomic bomb based on his formula, the worlds leading (establishment) physicist said, “Daran habe ich gar nicht gedacht” -I haven’t though of that at all. Einstein did not invent the bomb. It was not this establishment scientist.

Lord Rutherford.

This is an occasional answer. This leading physicist developed the first modern model of the atom. In 1934 Rutherford gave a lecture and was asked if it might be possible to convert the m in “E=mc2″ into E, his response was to say anyone who thought it was possible was talking “moonshine.” No this great establishment physicist did not invent the bomb. But Rutherford played a crucial role in inventing the bomb, as a grain of sand does in making a pearl.

These physicists represented establishment science in 1939. All were giants of physics. None saw the possibility of converting mass into energy by nuclear fission or any other way, even when first faced with the evidence.

The idea of nuclear fission and thus the atomic bomb and the nuclear reactor was first proposed in 1934 and doggedly pursued by a maverick thinker, a physicist who until 1940 did not have a full time job, and a humanist who in 1934 spent most of his time trying to get his fellow Jews out of Germany and into the West. Leo Szilard not only conceived the atomic bomb, but took such full and active responsibility for his creation that he spent much of the time from 1944 until his death in 1966 trying to prevent nuclear war.

Dear "smiless" as you so smuggly related to me...the topic is about wheather God is evil and not about your "google cut and paste" job about Einstein and the bomb ...so try and follow your own advice and stay on topic ..unless you are saying that without God the bomb wouldn't exist

I like funches and I like smiles.

But I would like to and my two cents if I may.

Einstein discovered new information, that is all he did. He did not drop the bomb, or even help build it.

Is the man who invented the knife responsible for all the stabbings in the world? NO.

So if Einstein had not discovered E=MC2 someone else probably would have.

He is not responsible for dropping the bomb. He discovered more about our reality than most respected scientists, and some of it I am sure people don't even know about to this day. He was a spiritual man as well as a scientist. I believe he bridged the gap between science and the nature of reality and metaphysics.

You cannot keep knowledge a secret, and you cannot prevent "evil" men from using it to destroy others.

JB