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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 03/20/08 01:54 PM
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I do not need to prove anything to you funches, I don't expect you to "JennieBean" because I know you can't especially trying to use Quantum Physics because a God is not under the jurisdiction of the laws of Quantum Physics .... and that's why Quantum Physics disproves Pantheism .. Saying it don't make it so. 
Whether or not I could or could not prove anything TO YOU is a mote point when I don't care about doing it and when you do not want anyone to show you anything. Quantum physics does not prove or disprove Pantheism. It supports it. Proof is only a matter of whether or not you understand and believe the evidence. If you understood the evidence of something, you might be persuaded of something, but you do not under stand the evidence and you do not want to be persuaded of anything, ~~ hence talking to you is an exercise in futility.
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WELL SIMPLY SPEAKING, HE CREATED MY EX WIFE
SO YES IVE GOTTA SAY GOD CREATED EVIL 
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since he won't answer me....
if you do have feelings like love etc...you can't prove those. because it's a feeling and beliefs...just like religion is |
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FETTS161
that is funny! 
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Before I forget for those who don't know what Agnostic means:
Agnosticism states the inability to prove or disprove the existence of a deity. Theism is the belief in God. It can be said that an agnostic theist has no way of proving or disproving God but has a "feeling" that He does exist. An Agnostic theist has Faith in God. Many agnostic theists are either on and off believers or lightly religious people who have an extra dimension of spirituality. An example of an agnostic theist argument is as follows: either God created the universe and always existed, or the universe always existed, leaving both scenarios equally possible since one had to be there from the beginning. He or she goes on to state his faith and personal experiences and logic or faith; for example, can life exist from nothing? I usually get people thrashing me as a atheist when I tell them I am agnostic. I have nothing against atheist. They are very smart people also. Well at least the ones I met anyway. |
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Before I forget for those who don't know what Agnostic means: Agnosticism states the inability to prove or disprove the existence of a deity. Theism is the belief in God. It can be said that an agnostic theist has no way of proving or disproving God but has a "feeling" that He does exist. An Agnostic theist has Faith in God. Many agnostic theists are either on and off believers or lightly religious people who have an extra dimension of spirituality. An example of an agnostic theist argument is as follows: either God created the universe and always existed, or the universe always existed, leaving both scenarios equally possible since one had to be there from the beginning. He or she goes on to state his faith and personal experiences and logic or faith; for example, can life exist from nothing? I usually get people thrashing me as a atheist when I tell them I am agnostic. I have nothing against atheist. They are very smart people also. Well at least the ones I met anyway. I think I understand...but glad to know. I can honestly say I didn't know what one was. Mazybe I'm one but with a christian twist???? |
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WELL SIMPLY SPEAKING, HE CREATED MY EX WIFE SO YES IVE GOTTA SAY GOD CREATED EVIL
My granddad tells me I'm proof that the devil is a woman 
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Funches, I think you need to go out to some scrappy bar and knock the crap out of someone or get the crap beat out of you to vent your pent up anger. so "JennieBean" because I disagree with your religious views you then advocate violence? ...typical holy war mentality Or maybe you just need to get laid.
so ...er.. when you want to meet up |
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do you feel love? and "yellowrose" I explained it to you ...Love is a rational decision pertaining to committment..you are confusing love with what they show in those chick flicks ...that's not Love that's people acting irrational delusional or just plain horny |
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do you feel love? and "yellowrose" I explained it to you ...Love is a rational decision pertaining to committment..you are confusing love with what they show in those chick flicks ...that's not Love that's people acting irrational delusional or just plain horny not talking about the actions...talking about how you feel. like if you care about someone. care if they are sad...things like that. NOT actions so no...you didn't answer me |
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Dear Funches, The cut and paste I used yesterday on Einstein was essential for you because you assumed the following. 1. Einstein is the epidemy of evil or a follower of a evil god. 2. Einstein is not a pacifist because he knew what he was doing. 3. Einstein invented the atomic bomb or created knowingly the starting stones in making one. It is obvious that you have not read any biographies on this man who actually did many great things throughout his life including some works on quantum theory, although that is not real either in your mind. "smiless" the point is that anyone can call theirselves a pacifist ..Hitler probably regarded himself as one ..and just because someone refer to theirselves as a pacifist doesn't mean they are one you have to look and see what they have done ...pacifists don't sell guns or ammo or join the army or create Death stars or like Einstein try to discover formulars that can blow up the world |
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Thu 03/20/08 03:56 PM
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Jeannie:
Before the individual (existing in some other form) incarnated into a human body.
Are you suggesting that you believe in individual spirits? Perhaps, that each remains complete, in and of itself, throughout different lifetimes and/or lifeforms? The human body is a specific design whose DNA contains all of the programing and information needed by that body to exist on instinct and automatic response. (Breathing, heart beating, reaction to fear of falling, need for food, sex drive, etc.)
These inherent biological body functions that you are describing are instinctual. I fail to recognize the significance of their mention. Your descriptions have left out much in between these and one's awareness of spirit('God') within... Instinctual function(s) do not create the wrongful masks of ego all by themselves. Thief teaching assists. Learned wrongful behaviour does also. Learned wrongful perception does also. The wrongful notion of individuality does also. Competition does also. Internalized falseness does also. Separate. Ego. All of which create the incorruptable wordly fingerprint which robs one from themself. The individual (soul, spirit or higher self) incarnates into the earth body, which is a biological machine, already equipped with all the information and parts it needs to survive.
The underlined last portion of this statement is quite simply not true Jeannie... humans are born with a desperate need to be nurtured into self-sufficiency... we are not born survivors. Everything you learn is after birth Jeannie. The machine, being the body, benefits because it runs automatically. You do not have to think about breathing and you do not have to consciously will your heart to beat.
True enough, the inherently instinctual biological functioning required no thought. Everything else in life does. One's will is determined by what one lives Jeannie. It is not free from it's complete dependancy upon many other things. You may be thinking of something else entirely. This programing is in place at birth.
So is innate ability... You may not be aware of that agreement, but that was your agreement and the conditions set forth for you adventure into the earth experience. You agreed to these programs that would influence your choices because you need them for survival in this world without your spirit memories.
So then, are you saying that before I existed in this human form my spirit agreed to accept all of my internalizations based upon the teachings that had not even happened yet? 
The agreement was made by the individual before incarnation. It was understood then than the memory would not be available during the lifetime spent in order that each life lived could be experienced individually.
I just completely disagree with the notion of this separate spiritual existance which remains completely intact between individual biological manifestation(s)... You speak of the physical self who has no memory of the higher self's agreement.
You speak from that same physical self... no? Intuition is indicative of the DNA programing in place.
DNA does not equate to anything other than physiological principles... does it? I believe that intuition is evidence of all spiritual existance being of one... not separate... nothing to do with DNA.... which is received through biological ancestry... I don't see how this relates to what I am talking about. Most vision or premonitions can't be validated anyway.
Jeannie, a premonition is just another thought until it has become validated within one. Validation requires one's witnessing of the thought being realized in a material way. If a premoniton is not validated it is not even considered a premonition. There is absolutely no documented evidence of anyone ever telling of a (premonition)future event, in detail, and it coming true... They are always substantiated after the fact, and are nothing but just one more thought through the brain until then. Even then, depending on what time frame has passed, one cannot remember exact thoughts... more like, "I just knew that something was wrong."... or... "Somehow, for some reason, I just did not choose to go the same way, and it is a good thing too, beacause if I had... etc.,etc."... |
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There are many ideas of how God (creation or life) evolved. Where evil comes from? It is a never ending story. Perhaps it is nothing more then just a imagination? Darwin's Theory Big Bang Theory Religious foundations Aliens Spirits Did I miss any? Probably did! That is why I remain a agnostic theist - in other words uncertain for the rest of my life and I am okay with it! I take the best of every theory given and enjoy life at its best. 
a God that creates imperfection creates evil ..so far none of God's creations in the Universe is a constant and therefore not truth ...the bible even regards Man as having been dirt first ...that's why anything that is not the God is imperfect and therefore can do nothing but sin and sin is evil ..so either way you look at it sin or evil would not exist if not for God |
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I don't expect you to "JennieBean" because I know you can't especially trying to use Quantum Physics because a God is not under the jurisdiction of the laws of Quantum Physics .... and that's why Quantum Physics disproves Pantheism .. Saying it don't make it so.
Quantum physics does not prove or disprove Pantheism. It supports it. Saying it don't make it so.
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not talking about the actions...talking about how you feel. like if you care about someone. care if they are sad...things like that. NOT actions so no...you didn't answer me "yellowrose"..that's called empathy and/or compassion not Love ...you are trying to turn Love into an emotion and it's not ... |
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since he won't answer me.... if you do have feelings like love etc...you can't prove those. because it's a feeling and beliefs...just like religion is [/quote love is not a feeling ..it's a committment to stay addicted to someone or something ..."yellowrose" you watch too much Oprah |
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since he won't answer me.... if you do have feelings like love etc...you can't prove those. because it's a feeling and beliefs...just like religion is [/quote love is not a feeling ..it's a committment to stay addicted to someone or something ..."yellowrose" you watch too much Oprah I feel sorry for you. and no I don't watch those things. If you don't feel inside or have any beliefs then I feel very sorry for you. It explains alot now why you ike to argue with others the way you do |
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Before I forget for those who don't know what Agnostic means: an agnostic is someone that practice Bi-Religion ...they try to keep one foot in Heaven while the other foot dangles over Hell |
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I feel sorry for you. and no I don't watch those things. If you don't feel inside or have any beliefs then I feel very sorry for you. It explains alot now why you ike to argue with others the way you do wow "yellowrose" now you sound just like "JennieBean" ...but...er.. try saving the psych job for those that needs the comfort of an imaginary friend to love them |
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I feel sorry for you. and no I don't watch those things. If you don't feel inside or have any beliefs then I feel very sorry for you. It explains alot now why you ike to argue with others the way you do wow "yellowrose" now you sound just like "JennieBean" ...but...er.. try saving the psych job for those that needs the comfort of an imaginary friend to love them I am very proud and happy that I can feel emotions and have beliefs. It makes me human. It makes me open minded and able to think outside the box without them..you are nothing more than a cold robot that is closed minded. but like I said..I understand why you argue like you do now. good luck to you |
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