Jeannie... you are correct.. I should have explained better....I meant physical man is finite....but what you shared here is true.. man IS also SPIRIT.

And quess what..God CREATED man with a spirit ,just like God is spirit,so man could COMMUNE with God.
In fact,man and God did commune and fellowship, originally, til sin came in.

Now..God simply wants to Bring us Back into Communion and Fellowship with Him.
BUT a man's spirit MUST be born again, because of man's fallen nature.

THEN Man will be able to Commune and Fellowship and Understand Who God is , once more.

Any of this finally making sense ?

It's really quite simple.....yes?
Think about it....

Only if you believe that God holds us responsible for the behavior of our ancestors. Personally I don’t believe that she does.

I think the only "sin" is that we forgot who and what we are. When our memory is restored, then we are reborn into the spirit. I think we forgot on purpose so we could go off and play the game of life and death.

JB

No Abra..... God does not hold us responsible for our ancestors behaviour.
But You are responsible for your OWN behviour. So is each one of us....each one is responsible for his/her behaviour.

Man was not made to be a puppet on a string. God gave man a free will to decide for himself.
Amen?

Abra, you also said "she".

Did you know when we get to heaven, there will be neither male nor female; yet we still will be able to recognize one another?

We live in a finite body now ...and we also have a finite mind .....so maybe this is a question that won't fully be understood, until we reach eternity....

I’ve had dreams of being in the spiritual world. I won’t call them ‘visions’ but they very well may have been.

In my dream God has no gender, in fact, god doesn’t exist as a life form that we can even comprehend, even in the spiritual world.

In my dream the spiritual world is filled with spirits. They are nebulous and appear as fuzzy spheres of light. They are ‘individuals’ in form, but they are one in mind. Every spirit could read my thoughts, and I could read theirs. But it was no big deal, because all spirits are of one mind and no one owns the thoughts.

It would be silly to pass judgment on a spirit for their thoughts. It’s just not something that spirits even consider. To them it’s not even a concept worthy of thought. In my dream I didn’t recognize any of the spirits, yet I innately knew them all equally well. There is no hostility in the spiritual world. No threat of any kind, and no perception of any kind of threat. The idea of ‘judgment’ simply doesn’t exist. There is nothing to judge.

The spiritual world consists of spirits. That is its content. It is many as one, and one as many. A perfect melding of individuality and oneness in a way that is hard to describe in words.

I did sense a central life-giving force, and could even see it. It was like a point of light. Always in view no matter where you look. Yet you know that it is only one source. You feel that it is a part of you, almost like your very own shadow. Like a rainbow you cannot change you distance from it. No matter what you do, it is always the same distance from you. Always.

There is no curiosity about the point source of light. All spirits know that it is the source. They all revere it but do not worship via ritual. In the spiritual to worship the source of life would be as redundant as worshiping yourself. It’s like your shadow. And in the spiritual world it’s viewed in with that same innate way. Its just there. No need to explain it. It’s as natural as can be. It poses absolutely no threat of any kind. There is nothing you can do to make it become hostile toward you. It is pure unconditional love in the truest possible sense. It expects nothing from you including your worship.

Even so, it is revered by all the spirits. Not worshiped, but taken for granted in the most loving possible way. Perhaps you need to be there to feel it.

The idea that any spirit would desire to become this source of all life is utterly laughable. There is absolutely no reason to be jealous of it or envious of it. There would be nothing to be gained by becoming it. On the contrary, spirits have only one desire and that is to be what they already are. The gift of life that is bestowed upon them by this source is immeasurable. From the point of view of a spirit, there is nothing better than being a spirit. The concept of becoming the life-giving source holds no attraction for them at all. It’s simply not something that they would even consider anymore than you would consider wanting to become your shadow.

In my dream, a spirit confronts me, and becomes a little girl. She’s holding a book in her hand and wants to share it with me. On the cover of the book is a picture of her and a little boy. I reach out to take the book and I see the hand of a little boy reaching for the book. I realize that I have taken the form of the little boy on the cover of the book. As I take the book from her hand she speaks to me telepathically, “This is our story”. I realize at that moment that she is my soulmate.

The book opens and the pages flip to the opening chapter. I look down at the book and she is on the page waving for me to enter. I ‘fall’ into the book, and take her hand and we become incarnated in a physical reality that is as real as anything I’ve even known.

I have this dream once in a while. It is very real to me. It may well be just a dream, but could heaven be any better than this? Can a mere mortal man out-dream heaven?

Sure beats the idea of showing up at a trail to be judged by a threatening Godhead that demands to be worshiped for his extremely conditional love, and is prepared to cast you in to a hellfire if you dare to question his ultimately authority or do anything outside his will. Sounds like hell already to me.

Abra... the written Word on the page is called Logos.

When it enters into our born again spirit, it becomes Rhema.

Logos Means Written.

Rhema means Life.

The Bible was Inspired by the Holy Spirit.
That book contains the Words of Life.
But it is not unto the Word gets into our spirit,that it becomes Alive in us.
And when the Word of God becomes alive in our spirit, then it becomes Rhema.

There is Life in the Word.
But the Word will not come alive til it gets into a born again spirit of man.
Not thru intellect, but one's spirit.

So yes, Abra..... that book of the Word of Life ...that Written word..that Logos Word....that Bible....is Important too.
Otherwise we would have no written word to get Life from.

Abra...if we could FULLY see into the spirit realm, we probably would not be able to handle it.

Remember, Satan also can appear as an angel of light.
To deceive.
We need the Holy Spirit in us to discern, lead guide and teach.
But that is a whole other subject...for another time.

I'll say goodnight now.
Thanks again Abra..and all you Precious People here , for allowing me to share.

That’s your perception of it I suppose.

To me, it’s a story of a self-confessed jealous God who seems to only be able to solve problems using extremely violent methods of blood and guts. I just don’t see the wisdom in it. On the contrary, overall it seems to be teaching that even God can only solve problems via violence.

I could site many examples, but I’ll spare you. However, I can’t help but to cite one that really just seems totally disgusting.

God leads his people to the promised land. When his people get there, there are already heathens living on the promised land. What does God do? He instructs his people to slaughter the heathens and take back the promised land.

This is terrible! An all-powerful God can’t even come up with some unoccupied real estate to offer as promised land?

What kind of morals does this teach? You see it as Words of Life, I see it as Stories of Death. Plenty of stories of death, destruction and problems being solved via violence and the shedding of blood and guts.

To each their own, I guess. It’s just not my cup of tea. I like to believe that God is nicer than that picture.

I like to believe that God is at least as nice as me.

Hopefully even nicer!

god created evil people to ask such stupid questions

A very very intelligent man had a wonderful answer for this:


A University professor at a well-known institution of higher learning
challenged his students with this question.

"Did God create everything that exists?"

A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"

"God created everything?" The professor asked.

"Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created
evil.
And, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works
define
who we are, then we can assume God is evil."

The student became quiet and did not answer the professor's
hypothetical
definition. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the
students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a
myth.

Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question,
professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never
been
cold?"

The other students snickered at the young man's question.

The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to
the
laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of
heat.
Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit
energy.
Absolute zero (-460F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter
becomes
inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not
exist. We
have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not
exist
either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can
study, but
not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light
into
many colors and study the various wave lengths of each color. You
cannot
measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of
darkness
and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You
measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a
term
used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked! the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, as I have already
said.
We see it everyday. In the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.
In the
multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil.

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it
does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just
like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence
of
God.

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does
not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes
when
there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name -- Albert Einstein

Did God create evil? Some say yes and others say no. A question that will remain a mystery. Of course many will violently disagree that this is a mystery and claim with all of their hearts that there is a answer that God created evil on purpose or evil is disguised as a angel once and so forth.

In Ancient Egyptian beliefs there were Gods who judged ones life when they passed away. A wage was used and on one side was a feather. On the other side your heart was on it. If the heart was heavier then the feather then you would be devoured by a horrible beast and one cannot ressurrect back onto the planet. One would have to spend a lifetime getting the book of the dead written for them by scribes who at the tim were the only ones who could actually write hyoglephics at the time. These scribes only did this if you paid well so only high ranking officials and royalty were allowed to be ressurrected. A great way to make gold at the time wouldn't you say? Perhaps nothing more then a evil created by man again?

So to continue on with the question; If God created evil. Some believe in Darwin's theories that we evolved from single cells that once were no bigger then a breadcrumb (if even that) and eventually over millions of years split up somehow and became bigger. So now we have to even go further back of how this planet evolved? Oxygen was created by ferns and mosses which for some reason were the first to exist on the planet and the reason to help perhaps single cell organisms to roam in the waters. This alone is a subject that could use up many many pages. Yet to the point I am getting is there was no evil created at this time as far as we know?

There are many many different types of theories. Perhaps it is just a great imagination that we have developed using alot of studies on recent histories that allows us to rationalize what we want to believe. Evil is no more then Imagination some believe. The day we figured out how to use a object to use for hunting reasons may have been the day we learned about evil. For we figured out if we don't get our way we use the object to hit our own. Or maybe with fire evil has started. If we look at the animal kingdom most carnivores only hunt for food and not for evil intentions. Perhaps Evil is nothing more then man made inventions to get ahead of the other as I watch constently neighbors battling each other for bigger and better things to get more accepted in their environment. Pretty sad to tell you the truth! lol

It's funny why we believe in the paranormal and supernatural. Most of what we are taught in religion is based on the belief of things we cannot understand because of our mortality. This goes back to even before pagan beliefs and actual science. Over the centuries we have absorbed these "unknowns" to be fact, even atheists can't de-program themselves from saying "God bless you" when someone sneezes. Why we had to say God bless you in the older days is because it was believed that evil sins or spirits were in your body and they were being released so one had to say God Bless you or be imprisoned. Look at the history of this and you will agree.

Religion tried to dispel science as "evil", science tried to dispel religion as "rubbish", so who is right?

Science had to use the paranormal in the beginning just to get a jump start, because organized religion wouldn't allow belief in anything but the paranormal as evidence, but slowly science separated from religion after proof of otherwise, and has had to shake the guise of the paranormal from all of it's literature and teachings.

We're still caught in this battle between the known, and the spiritual - is this actually proof of yin and yang?

I personally believe in the paranormal, and I hold science to be credible - but I don't turn a blind eye to either one.

It will be very hard to know the answer to this for we cannot date back 13.2 billion years (according to scientist) of when this specific galaxy evolved and what was before that. I seriously doubt that even a human shaped formed god was sitting on heaven at this time frame or even spiritual fuzzy looking forms were flying around creating a guise of how everything should look, yet I do not rule out the idea. Perhaps it is possible! What was before the existences of this? Many are working vigoursly on finding factual answers such as the scientists who conclude in the Big Bang Theory.

Then of course I cannot leave out as I am one of the few who use this also as a option that we were nothing more then DNA created species for one purpose and that is to be slaves for a higher species with advanced technologies and then left here abandoned when they decided to leave this planet for better purposes. Perhaps it is something that we cannot release from our minds from fear or curiousity that we feel we must worship a higher purpose. If you look deep into this these creators then were only interested in using us for their purpose. If this is to be true then we should allow ourselves to seperate ourselves from such urgings because we worship something that cares less about us. Of course this belief is shared by many and a based Study of Zecharia Sitchin's 2002 epic The LOST BOOK OF ENKI: Memoirs and Prophecies of an Extraterrestrial God

We also can look at the studies of Thomas Paines great book on Common Sense who challenges religious beliefs with common sense. The problem with this is everyone has a different perspective of what common sense could be. lol

Well I should stop here with my rambling and thank you for reading my huge posts each time. I know it must get annoying. lol

cheers

Well said Kesstra! I love that! Thank you

Wow! Abra thanks for sharing that wonderful vision!!

What really irritates me is when someone outside the "established" religious thought has a beautiful and meaningful vision they are told "that Satan also appears as a beautiful angel of light" as if to nullify the validity of that experience.

(I say to them, ...Give me a break!) I know they think theirs is the only truth and they seem to hate it when someone finds the beauty of God without their dogma attached.

JB

a God creates for a reason and that reason is The Word and the word is why the Gods set forth laws called religion and anything that goes against the word is evil that's why Gods and religion goes hand in hand ..therefore if you believe in God then you have to believe in sin and evil and religion and especially law making Gods



yes..I agree that it's all part of a God's divine plan




but aren't these instances God's will so to not condone them is going against God ..that is why those that are religious and believe in God should have no complaints with anything in the world because to do so is to go against God's divine plan and that is exactly what evil is

Jeannie, when I said , "Satan also appears as an angel of light", I was not inferring that ALL visions fall into that category.
I am So very sorry that was the impression that came across .:(

Even thou I am a Christian , I don't believe in judging another's belief or walk , Jeannie.
I am saddened to see so much judgment in the world, and I am strongly against that...totally.

I love all people , no matter what their beliefs, and love to read what all others share here.

Jeannie....just here sharing ...but always love to read what others share....and I hope we can always share peacefully.

Actually, I see everyone here is already sharing in a spirit of love and peace.... even if we do not always agree..and I think that is beautiful


(((((((Hugging Jeannie)))))))

Don't worry, I’ll continue to believe that God is unconditional Love.

If the Christians are right I guess I’ll just have to face their demonic God on judgment day and suffer its evil wrath then.

Not much I can do about it if God really is the judgmental Demon they claim him to be. I'm certainly not going to bow down and worship a demon just to pacify its hate.

I’ll just have to suffer in hell for all of eternity for having believed that God was unconditional love.

What a sad picture of reality.

I think Christians are too often more interested in supporting Satan than God.

Kesstra.....Thanks for sharing this.

In reference to the question , "Did God create evil " , I've always thought Einstein explained it the best.

Also, I just noticed.... in my reply last night to someone who shared another quote made by Einstein ; I somehow got carried away from the main topic of discussion here.

My bad.....

Abra, God is a God of Love......

In fact ,
God so LOVED the World that He gave His Only begotten Son , that whosoever Believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting Life.

Abra.. ..There appears to be many contradictions in the bible, and that is why it is important to not take scripture out of context.

To truly make sense, the whole picture must be presented in its entirety ,and not just in bits and pieces .

And again, because God is Spirit, His Word won't make sense, if one attempts to Understand God's Word only thru Intellect.
God's Word Can Only Be Understood thru Spirit.
A Born again Spirit.

But it’s actually the big picture that doesn’t make any sense.



This kind of talk makes absolutely no sense at all. It’s just demagoguery to proclaim that non-believers of a particular religion can’t understand the dogma unless they become believers.

That’s just brainwashing proselytizing.

It’s clearly a fact that the God of the Bible solves all problems using violent blood and guts methods.

In order for what you say to be true, the stories in the Bible would actually need to miraculously change when a person becomes a believer so that they would have to be reading completely different stories than non-believers actually see in print.

How could a non-believer ever become a believer, when what they actually see are horrid tales of blood and guts solutions to ever problem God ever encounters?

All you are saying is that it’s impossible for non-believers to become believers, because what non-believers see is unbelievable.

You may keep you religion if you like it so much. But don’t tell me that my vision of God is sparked by Satan.

I give God the highest possible compliment. I say that God is pure unconditional love. Non-threatening in any way. God has no wants of any kind. God is perfect and there is no such thing as evil or a fallen angel that God has lost control over and is at war with.

I give God the highest possible compliment by proclaiming that God really is perfect and wise beyond any human comprehension.

And when I proclaim that God is all-perfect and is pure unconditional love, you suggest that I am being blinded by Satan?

I’m sorry my dear. But if anyone is being blinded by Satan it is those who have been convinced that God is an egotistical judgmental pig who casts loving people into hell just because they refuse to become judgmental bigots.

I’ll never embrace a God of bigotry and hatred. I’ll be cast into his hellfire first.