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Smiless,you are never annoying....always love reading what you have to share!!!

Abra.....if you go back and read my previous posts, nowhere have I ever stated that you are blinded by Satan.
Have no idea where you got that.

This is one of the reasons I won't argue here.
Just sharing my beliefs ....but also respect everyone elses beliefs here, also.
I have friends that I love dearly, from every walk of faith....even athesist friends....that I share with, but also accept for who they are....so please know,Abra, I am not one to judge anyone


(((((((Love and Hugs for All)))))))

(((((((Hugging Jeannie)))))))

Thanks for the hug. I know you are a good person with strong faith in what you believe and lots of love.

I have had many spiritual walks with the spirit of God and because I am not a "Christian" in the eyes of society, I have been accused of being fooled by "Satan" who comes as a "beautiful angel of light." .. and all that nonsense.

I'm not buying it though. Personal experience is personal. No one can change what it is and what it means to the individual.

I have been in the position of being certain that I was right, and that my path was the truest path to God or the only one.

I was rudely awaken to the fact that I was very mistaken.
(hey that rhymes, abra can make a poem about that.)

Anyway my lessen has been to keep an open heart and an open mind and let truth be what it is. Always consider the possibility that you may not be 100% right about what you believe.

JB

Well you did imply this,...



I guess the only thing I’m trying to say is that this a standard brainwashing technique of the biblical dogma. Anything that disagrees with the biblical picture is accused of having been inspired by Satan.

The religion is totally against anything that disagrees with it. And therefore it is fundamentally a bigoted religion.

You say that only believers can made sense of it, etc., but the truth is that it’s a story about a God that is a war with a fallen angel. And that war takes on all the normal earthy blood and guts violent behavior that was typical of the authors who lived in ancient times.

This is a God that was created in the image of man, not the other way around.



I’m in complete agreement with you here.

The only thing I disagree with is that the Holy Spirit can be found in the Bible. That’s where I see the fallacy. From my point of view the Bible teaches that violence is the way to solve problems. And that war is so commonplace that even God himself is at war with an angel.

Moreover, that very concept flies in the face of God being all-powerful. If God really is all-powerful then he can’t be a war with the fallen angel, all he could possibly be doing is playing games with it, and humans are stuck in the middle of these war games.

The other extreme contradiction in this picture is that the biblical God is perfect, and that heaven is perfect.

Well if heaven was so perfect then why did 33% of God’s angels rebel? Clearly this perfection was merely subjective and everyone didn’t agree that it was perfect.

There was a war in this perfect heaven and the rebel angels were cast out. A war in a perfect heaven?

I’m sorry but contradictions are contradictions. If there was a war in this heaven then this heaven was far from perfect to begin with.

Let’s go back to this,….



I told you my dream. In my dream the spiritual realm really is prefect. All spirits are totally egalitarian. There is no reason to be jealous or envious of each other. The idea of judging each other isn’t even a concept. It’s totally meaningless. There’s no reason to have an egotistical attitude in the spiritual world.

The idea that a spirit (or angel) would want to overthrow God is utterly absurd. There would be no reason to want to do that. There’s simply no attraction in the thought of becoming the Godhead. The God is not a ruler who is making demands and laws (like earthly Kings). The God is simply the source of all life.

As a spirit, there is absolutely no incentive or desire to become the source of life, because from a spirit’s point of view just having life is the most wondrous thing imaginable. There’s simply no desire to be anything more than that. Its not even within the ability of a spirit to even comprehend the idea that there could be anything more. Everything that a spirit can even imagine to want is already within the power of the spirit to obtain it.

It would be like a human being on earth, looking up and wanting to become the sun. Why? Why would any human desire to become the Sun? Where’s the attraction in becoming the sun? It might be great! It might be total bliss to be the sun! But not ever having been the sun there is no reason for a human to imagine that being the sun would be so great. So there is no reason for a human to desire to become the sun.

It’s the same way with God.

There’s also no need to go to war in the spiritual world.

No spirit can harm another spirit even if it wanted to, which it wouldn’t.

It’s impossible to kill a spirit. Or to harm a spirit in the spiritual world.

No spirit can force any other spirit to do anything it doesn’t want to do.

Evil is a laugh. There is no such thing as evil in the spiritual world. The illusion of evil only exists within the fantasies of the incarnations that spirits indulge.

The idea that God is at war with a fallen angel is entirely an illusion that has been created within our current incarnation. And that very illusion pits men against men. Those who are on the side of “God” and those who are “rejecting God” and siding with the “fallen angel”. It’s a fantasy that has been created in this incarnation and has nothing at all to do with the way things really are.

God is so far above that silliness that it isn’t even funny.

God lets spirits do whatever they want. Including allowing them to make up silly stories about judgmental ruling Godheads during their incarnations.

God finds it all amusing I’m sure.

i am the creator of evil...

so i did.

yes i too would love
a BLUE_RASPBERRY loli-pop..

spanks!!!

(((((((Hugging Jeannie)))))))

Thanks for the hug. I know you are a good person with strong faith in what you believe and lots of love.

I have had many spiritual walks with the spirit of God and because I am not a "Christian" in the eyes of society, I have been accused of being fooled by "Satan" who comes as a "beautiful angel of light." .. and all that nonsense.

I'm not buying it though. Personal experience is personal. No one can change what it is and what it means to the individual.

I have been in the position of being certain that I was right, and that my path was the truest path to God or the only one.

I was rudely awaken to the fact that I was very mistaken.
(hey that rhymes, abra can make a poem about that.)

Anyway my lessen has been to keep an open heart and an open mind and let truth be what it is. Always consider the possibility that you may not be 100% right about what you believe.

JB





You are most welcome, Jeannie.

Jeannie.... I was not always a born again christian.
I ,at one time,was interested in different religions,philosophies,had psychic abilities in my life,
etc.

But, my being a christian is not even based on just belief.
There are many beliefs out there.
And I respect them all.

But , being a christian is not actually just based on a belief .
Or even having Faith to believe.

It is a lifestyle, a personal walk with God, based on something that happens in man's spirit, when He ACCEPTS Jesus into his heart.
That something is called,BECOMING BORN AGAIN in one's spirit.
No other religion speaks of this experience.
(And also ,Christianity was never Meant to be turned into a Religion )

But when that born again experience DOES happen or
transpire in a person's life, it is a
solid,real, life changing
transforming experience , without any doubt whatsoever.

Cause when a person ,by FAITH, comes to Believe and Accept Jesus into his/her Heart,
he/she truly then, becomes
born again....cause God does this miraculous
transformation in man's spirit.


But of course , it requires belief, or faith ,and HEARING the Word of God, to get to that point
of Acceptance....and thus, becoming Born gain.

How can man believe if the Word is not preached...Amen?

But again, there are many beliefs that one can choose to believe in but only christianity talks about man becoming born again .

See....No other beliefs out there, mentions this life transforming experience.
Sure, religions offer a lot of good and wonderful insights that can transform the soul.... but no other faith or belief speaks about becoming born again, except Christianity.

What one believes ,and chooses to have faith to believe in , comes from a decision of the will and of the mind.
(Soulish realm).

But when man beleives and by Faith, accepts Jesus into his heart, he is still making a decision in his mind...just as other faiths do......BUT with christianity, God steps in and does the rest.

The rest being....... After man recieves that free gift of grace that God offers us, God steps in and does the rest... by making man's spirit born again.
Man can not do this on his own.....only God does the changing in man's spirit.
(remember now, spirit and soul or not the same).

But even after man is born again.....quess what...God is not going to step in and automatically feed a christian's spirit....or renew and change a man's soul... he leaves that up to man.
Whether or not man chooses to dine at the supper of God's word....or to continue eating junk food, is man's choice, even after being born again..

But, if a man IS truly born again, he will hunger for God's word....and will go and eat daily, the Word of God.... to feed his born again spirit.
See, the spirit of man must eat daily, the Word of God, or it will just remain a babe.

But again, some christians do remain babes in diapers...simply becuse they won't eat...and that is usually cause there is much in the soulish realm that needs renewing by the Word of God yet.
A born again spirit of man, is like a little babe at first..and uless FED, the born again spirit will be confronted, and sometimes even SQUELCHED by a lifetime of soulish stuff in man.
It depends what part of man's nature is being fed...that determines who will be the stronger.
Feeding only the soulish and fleshly nature of man ,will oly result in a very weak spirit in man .

But Feeding the spirit of man, will strengthen the spirit , and will result in a soul and fleshly nature, surrendered and in subjection to the spirit of man.
Amen?


So...Just because a person is already born again in his spirit, doesn't mean his soulish realm is brand new also.
No.....the soul of man is still of the old stinkin thinking nature....and therefore, needs renewing by the Word of God DAILY ,in order to becomes transformed.....and that is something MAN is responsible for doing, not God.

God does the born again changing in the spirit, but man is still left responsible to go and do the rest....and EAT the spirtual food that the Word of God provides for him.
Or man can decide not to eat.
His choice.
And remain a stunted christian.
But if man eats, his spirit not only gets fed and strengthened,but ,man's soul(mind) becomes renewed also.


So no Jeannie....is not just a belief, this christian walk.
It is a born again experience....where man's spirit is
Truly and without doubt, Born again.



Ok......nuff said for now....

Thanks again, Jeannie and everyone , for allowing me to share here.

Many would disagree with this, including myself.

Eastern mystics simply call it “The Enlightenment”. Same concept, differnet label.

To say that no other religion speaks of this experience simply isn’t true. This is a common thread among almost all pantheistic religions. In fact, this is one reason why I’m so completely convinced that Jesus was trying to teach the pantheistic view, because this is precisely what the pantheistic view teaches. Ye must be born again. Must give up the ego. Must see the world from the eyes of a non-judgmental child again.

This is the heart of pantheism.

Abra.. you wrote and I quote....

"""......guess the only thing I’m trying to say is that this a standard brainwashing technique of the biblical dogma. Anything that disagrees with the biblical picture is accused of having been inspired by Satan..""""


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Actually Abra, I think a LOT is blamed on Satan, that Satan really had NOTHING to do with.....but is actually MAN"S doing.

I can just see Satan saying, ..."whaaaaaahh....here man goes again...blaming me for something I had nothing to do with !

Abra....man's old nature is responsible for a LOT of what is going on in this world...and not Satan atall....

Exactly, and if you believe that then why do we need a Satan in the first place?

This is one of the things that I always point out was one of the human author’s mistakes when they made up the biblical story in the first place.

Why did they feel a need to create an evil demon?

If the claim is that man is inherently evil then they should have written the story that way and just had man purposefully rebel against God.

But instead, they write up this extremely complex story about God creating Man in his imagine. Then creating woman as an after thought from the rib of man (This was taken by many to mean that women are the actual ‘property’ of men because thy were create from man’s rib).

And then they go on to have this secondary class citizen (a woman) was coerced by the demon into disobeying God by convincing her that it’s not really a bad thing to do. She innocently falls for his story and then seduces her even more innocent mate into joining her.

So what’s going on?

Is man inherently evil?

Did man knowingly and purposefully disobey God?

Not according to the story he didn’t. According to the story Adam and Eve were both sorely ashamed of themselves for what they had done and hid themselves from God.

Sure doesn’t sound like people who are blatantly choosing to rebel against God.

Sounds like a couple of poor innocent kids were tricked by a stranger and then daddy came back and blamed them for willful disobedience.

This would be like the following story.

Two children are left alone in a play room. There is a coloring book and crayons on the table and the father tells the children not to color in the coloring book and he leaves.

The children are very obedient and don’t touch the coloring book.

In the meantime, the father sends in one of his drinking buddies to coerce the kids into coloring in the book.

The drinking buddy goes into the room and the Eve (little girl) goes over to see who the stranger is. She introduces herself and starts to talk to the guy. Adam (the little boy) is till playing with his Tonka trucks in a sandbox garden.

The drinking buddy says to the little girl, “Ok lookie here! A coloring book!”.

Eve says, “Oh we’re not supposed to touch that because our daddy said not to”

The drinking buddy says, “Oh come on, you can color a picture for me. It’s Ok, I’m sure your daddy won’t mind. He probably just didn’t know that I was going to drop by or he would have said that you could do it for a friend”/

Eve is still hesitant but the drinking buddy keeps coaxing her until she finally reluctantly gives in believing that the man is probably right. So she begins to color him a picture.

Adam comes over and say, “What are you doing, daddy said not to color in that book”.

Eve says, “This man said that daddy won’t mind if we color just one picture for him”

Adam figures since the damage is already done he may as well color the grass green.

Just then the stranger disappears and the children hear their daddy come back so they run off and pretend to be doing other things.

Their father walk over to the coloring book and says “Who colored in this book?”

Adam quickly points to Eve and says, “She started it!”

The rest is history.

And now every child that was ever born thereafter is branded a criminal of the highest order.

Personally I think the whole story was over dramatized to sell books.

And God’s drinking buddy was probably ‘used’ just like everyone else in the story.

Who’s the real conniver here?

a God that create lesser imperfections than itself create evil



isn't Albert Einstein referred to as the Father of The Atomic Bomb

Dear Funches,

Your question: Did Albert Einstein create the Atomic Bomb?

Answer:The physicist Albert Einstein did not directly participate in the invention of the atomic bomb.

In 1905, as part of his Special Theory of Relativity, he made the intriguing point that a large amount of energy could be released from a small amount of matter. This was expressed by the equation E=mc2 (energy = mass times the speed of light squared). The atomic bomb would clearly illustrate this principle.

But bombs were not what Einstein had in mind when he published this equation. Indeed, he considered himself to be a PACIFIST. In 1929, he publicly declared that if a war broke out he would "unconditionally refuse to do war service, direct or indirect... regardless of how the cause of the war should be judged." (Ronald Clark, "Einstein: The Life and Times", pg. 428). His position would change in 1933, as the result of Adolf Hitler's ascent to power in Germany. While still promoting peace, Einstein no longer fit his previous self-description of being an "absolute pacifist".


I must add that his letter to the president at the time warned that Germany will have a atomic bomb very soon and help accelerate the United States with the Manhattan Project where other scientists were developing the bomb to keep this country free at the time before being invaded by a dictatorship.

I hope this helps.

cheers

"not directly" means yes he played a hell of a part in it




that he claimed to be a pacifest was just an excuse as a way to not shoulder the responsibility.....because pacifists are not know to go around creating equations that they clearly know can be used to destroy the world

Dear funches,

Perhaps you are correct. No one will truly know what was in Einsteins mind at the time. Many observations are contributed to his life through books and internet. Some find him prime evil as others find him a inspiration. It is everyones choice to decide.

If you believe he was using pacifiscm as a excuse then perhaps he has. It is your belief that you may share with many as of many who will disagree. I wish you a great day with alot of happiness.

cheers

well ok you're right..if Einstein says he was a pacifist then so be it and althrough he was supposely a genius maybe he couldn't conceive that his equation could do nothing more but bring pacifism to the world and I'm pretty sure during world war 2 the results of his pacifisim could be felt by the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Dear funches,

Sarcasm at its best. Fortunately I laugh only at your sarcasm.

Many inventors regret sometimes what they created.

Another example is the television. The very people who invented the television regret it the day it went public. The reason why is they somehow knew that it would be manipulated for wrong ideas later on.

Einstein's equations also solved many other questions that are essential to our everyday use today. His formula although not completed to create a bomb only helped other scientists enhance further formulas on trying to create this bomb before the Germans did.

Now to my sarcasm to you: Perhaps you are right he created this equation because he wanted to bomb Japan and Germany in foresite> It was all preplanned in his brain to say," Yes I want destruction! I want war!" If this to be true then he could have stayed in Germany and worked with Hitler for he was eagerly looking for new technology to help accelerate his world dominance. Hitler despiced jewish people, but believe it or not some of his top scientist who helped invent machine gun, flamethrower. first fighter jet, missile, etc.

To tell you the truth this is very unlikely that Einstein was thinking in hindersite that he wanted to create war, yet perhaps you are right funches he was a war mongol who wanted bloodshed and killings. As I mentioned before we don't know exactly what was in Einstein's mind unless you possess telekinsis or something and can talk to the dead. lol
Yet assuming is one of the reasons why wars begin. You assume that Einstein (just mentions) he was a pacifist to cover up his plans.
If you want to blame someone then blame the president who used the bomb. The president used the bomb because he didn't want Russia to get involved in the Pacific war against Japan who by the way were winning the war on that side of the front. So perhaps if you want to put blame on hitler who created the mess in the first place.



It wasn't Einstein who used the bomb on japan it was the president by the way.

Hitler despiced jewish people, but believe it or not some of his top scientist who helped invent machine gun, flamethrower. first fighter jet, missile, etc. were German Jews.

Didn't finish that sentence sorry about that, was distracted. lol

It's called being baptized.....going under with your sin and coming up clean from the blood of the lamb (JESUS) Also being a born again....

Of course all of that ritual is symbolic... (thank God)
Being bathed in the blood of a lamb just seems so... oh I don't know... BLOODY. eeww.

you silly goose.....your baptized in water...and yes the water does symbolize the blood of Jesus.....But this was done even in Jesus' time with John the Baptiste...hence being baptized.

Yes I know. It's water.

They call it the blood of the lamb because it symbolizes the blood of animals (usually lambs)that were slaughtered to pay for the people's sins back when they were called Pagans.

Then came the new idea to let Jesus be the final "lamb for slaughter," which was supposed to end all animal (and human) sacrifice after that,(It didn't) and unite all the religious sects or pagan cults into one religion, that of Christianity.

So the ritual is done with water and it represents the blood of the slaughtered lamb. These slaughtered lambs were then eaten by the people. So the ritual in some churches is to eat of the flesh of the lamb, which is represented by the cracker placed upon the tongue. This ritual still takes place in many churches. Seventh day adventists do it and others.

It's still pretty darn creepy to me, the symbolism that is. And of course the wine represents the blood that is drank.

All this is to represent purification from sin. .. sorry... but... eeww... it just creeps me out.