Actionlynx, you said:
"My experience is that the vast majority of women expect the man to pay for everything on the first date."

I don't know what type/ age women you are going after that are this way, but.....then again, maybe that's why i never have had any female friends...most are real b***hes.
No disrespect to the good women here..what I mean are the type of women who, when the next day at work they ask me where the date took me, and I tell them Picadiily Cafeteria...they tell me "well, you need to dump his cheap ***..."

*I* happened to have picked the cafeteria...and, no I don't need to "dump his cheap ***"...I *need* to stop letting you opinionate on my life...

A man who has a twinkle in his eyes just thinking about me.

I think most of the women here in the Forums are a bit more progressive.

It also could be the area I live. Puritanical values and all that.


Anyway...

OT -
While guys may joke and snicker over it...
A lot of women seem to want a man who isn't afraid to cuddle up for awhile, even if it's just watching t.v.

It's not just a form of affection or attention. It seems to provide women with a sense of security. Many women have told me, feeling safe and secure is one of the things they seek from a man.

Maybe coffee, maybe tea and maybe another thing.
Wouldn't women know more good that?

A woman is a mystery a man just can't understand
Sometimes all it takes to please her is a touch of your hand
And other times you've gotta take it slow and hold her all night long
Heaven knows there's so many ways a man can go wrong


hmmmm those would make great lyrics for a song for Billy Currington

A man that touches my hand and holds me all night

I would have thought a man that touches your heart and holds you all night long......but WTH do I know???

Well that too... but right now I want my hand touched and to be held all night

It's really simple... just listen and don't try to second guess us or tell us what we want instead!

I never tell a woman what she should want...why would I waste my breath???

It seems some women want to bang their head against a wall because of my statements.

Yes, do you have that effect on a lot of women when you twist your words or just me?

I was once heard if you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bull chit.

I was talking to myself when I heard that!!!

Well it has a funny way of working... Some women get more interested when you baffle them because they want to figure you out, lol.

A good indication as to whether they like you is if they keep coming back for more of your bull chit

That thought send shivers of excitment all over me, ahem

I always pay for the first date, but that might be because the women I have dated have always been from the same background as me. If I ever dated a millionaire and she insisted on paying, I would grumble a bit but in the end accept her offer.

Years ago I had a dance partner and one day she told me that she wanted to treat me to a little cruise because I always paid for the dances we attended.

More recently, having got the cruise bug, I have paid for another one, but my friend insisted she give me half the cost because this one is a lot more expensive. We're going to Norway in June yay!

A true gentleman!

I would never take the pleasure of paying for the first date away from a man! I have offered on dates after the first but if they say no I don't argue or insist, I graciously accept their gallantry.

The cruise to Norway sounds awesome MK... have a wonderful time!

Usually women like a men if he is intelligent enough to make her think and funny enough to make her laugh and if he has some other talents that is an added advantage

Safe, secure and honesty comes into account once they want to have a serious relationship with you.

This is my opinion peace ✌

they want the same thing men want

they wanna zig a zig Ah!