CLV 1John 5:12 He who has the Son has the life; he who has not the Son of God has not the life.

And those of us who have read the Bible know that ALL (there's that word again) will have the Son...

CLV 1Cor 15:22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.

CLV 1Cor 15:27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.

Can't seem to get away from that word...

Strong's

G3956 pas pas
including all the forms of declension;

apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole.

CLV Col 1:20 and through Him to reconcile all into/to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens.

CLV 1Cor 15:51 Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed

All shall be saved! According to the Scriptures.

You are misguided.

You have not provided any evidence to support your claims.

You have not provided the Ancient word that is the source of a "hell."

You have proven nothing. All you are good for is your opinions. and everyone has one of those. Some people have even more.

Just a question?
Isn't belief the ultimate opinion?
Why do you need evidence or proof?
Belief requires no evidence or proof that is why it is called belief?
Have you considered asking yourself why you need to justify your beliefs with evidence or proof?
Or, why you seek that justification from others?

These are all good questions. Excellent. No offense to bigd but he said, "You have not provided any evidence to support your claims."

So what? "Evidence"? Bigd, you cannot even prove that there is a God, and you certainly cannot prove that God wrote or inspired the scriptures, so why should anyone have to "prove" anything from the scriptures? Someone has to prove something using the scriptures that you say is "God's Word" without any proof?

Actually I have several times.
You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

You reject that Jesus is God , so we won't agree on anything for the most part.

The Scriptures clearly show Jesus Christ is God.

With full revelation, we understand the Great I AM who spoke to Moses to be a Triune God- one God in three distinct Persons:
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

All three Persons are co-eternal, co-equal, and co-existent in the One Godhead.

That is 100% Scriptural, but you deny it.

You say there is no eternal punishment.
That is completely false.

You say all will be saved.
That is one of the biggest lies I ever heard and not Scriptural whatsoever.

Scripture is harmonious with one another so there shouldn't be any confusion.

you claim trinity as being THREE.

but yet, there is only ONE THRONE described in the throne room of God. this throne is also the judgement throne written in Revelation to which Yeshua sits upon.
Ezekiel, Daniel, Isaiah, and Revelation describe the Ancient One sitting upon the throne that John in Revelation claims to be Yeshua.

if there was THREE it would be a no brainer there should be THREE thrones, not just the ONE.


Paul said Yeshua was the visible image to the invisible God making Yeshua the SAME. also Yeshua said He and the Father are ONE = the SAME.

Genesis states we are made in the image of GOD [singular]. the word Elohim defined in the Hebrew language means Singular persons representing God.






and all scriptures referring to HELL describe either the grave or where the fallen angels are, not where sinners go.





you really need to toss your kjv/nkjv bible away because it has been bastardized by the Catholics who wrote about bastardizing it in their encyclopedia's.

best example is original Matthew 28:19 Yesua commends to baptize in His NAME like Peter instructs in Acts 2:38.

Catholics admit to changing it to create the illusion of the trinity.


therefore, if you are baptized in the trinity then technically you are not baptized. and if you follow the trinity you follow a lie created by the Catholics.



you seriously need to educate yourself by getting rid of the kjv/nkjv bible!!

You believe what you believe and I shall believe what I believe.

No need to get snarky.

One God in three distinct Persons.

100% Scriptural

Titus 1:3
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching , which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God - our Saviour.

God is our Saviour.

Titus 1:4
To Titus , mine own son after the common faith; Grace , mercy, and peace , from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Jesus Christ is God and Saviour.

In these two verses you CLEARLY see Jesus Christ as God and Saviour .

In these verses you CLEARLY see two of the three Persons of the triune God, the third (Holy Spirit) is guiding you through the Scriptures , especially if you have the indwelling of The Holy Spirit.

and if you had the Jewish version you would see those scriptures are speaking that Yeshua is Lord, God, Savior in Himself.

it's the reason why Paul claimed Yeshua is the physical image of the invisible God. this means, Yeshua as the WORD is the invisible God and creator of ALL THINGS. and in the flesh, He is our Lord, King, and Savior.



just a side note:

if the Catholics admit to changing Yeshua's command to baptize in His NAME only for the trinity version, don't you think they would also change other scriptures to ensure people like you believe in the false trinity?

I wonder if anyone thinks these inconsistencies within religion actually helps to validate it?

People will fight and argue about anything, even within their own religion but when an outsider says "That doesn't make sense", they try to prove their beliefs with arguments between themselves?

All the while, claiming they find contentment when they have anything but contentment as evident in their arguing.

Who is arguing Tom?
I surely am not.

And , don't be fooled there are not inconsistencies as much as you may think , just misunderstandings of Scripture.

What I find interesting is reading certain posters contradict themselves repeatedly then tell you to educate yourself.

Bottom line, if one believes Jesus Christ is God then you cannot deny the Triune God because He is part of that.

Yes ONE God, with three DISTINCT Persons.
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

You know why the Holy Spirit is Holy?
Because it is God.

You know why Jesus Christ is the Saviour?
Because Jesus Christ is God.

All three Persons are co-eternal, co-equal, and co-existent in the ONE Godhead.

Where do you think God the Father and God The Holy Spirit were when God the Son was in the tomb?

The Hebrew Bible backs me up 100%

I'm baffled this would even be a debate.
I am quite content with my understanding of The Word.

actually the Hebrew Bible never spoke about the Holy Spirit or the Son. otherwise, the ancient Hebrews would have not had issue with Yeshua.


but what is clear, Yeshua really is not the Son [that was a only title He used, because saying I am God in the flesh would have gotten Him crucified sooner].


must be difficult to remember which NAME to pray to when you are a trinitarian. almost seems like that would be in line with schizophrenia trying to juggle 3 people to pray to. Thank God He is actually not that complex. only humans make Him as such by trying to claim He is 3.

You just do not get it ...

And the Hebrew Bible absolutely does have information regarding the then coming Messiah, Jesus Christ.

i do get it because i understand you use a bastardized version of the bible that has been tampered with.

anyone with a clue gets it.

Isn't that what is important.
Inner peace and contentment in any belief?
I know I have inner peace and contentment in my belief of God.
I don't need scripture to give me that.
I find it in the reality before me.
I have nobody siding with my belief because I don't need it to gain inner peace and contentment.
My belief does everything I need it to do according to my needs.

There is no heaven or hell in my belief so there is no need to defend it.
Plus, why would I need to defend my belief when it is MY BELIEF?

One thing I have noticed with most predominant religions is that there is a serious lack of harmony. In my view of it all, religion breeds narcissism.
Religion is narcissistic in and of itself.
That is because the people that promote it are narcissistic. Some more than others.

The fact that religions need a book to tell you how to believe in your own God tells me it is based on something other than God.
Religions are designed to control people based on punishments and rewards.
They manipulate by implying there is something more than what is.
Granted, they do teach some pretty basic morals and values from a society point of view. That part is brilliant.

Apparently not.

@resurrected

just pointing out a stark difference in translations.


from the kjv who was a trinitarian Catholic

1 John 5:7 KJV

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.



the same verse from the Jews who do not believe in the trinity

1 john 5:6-8 CJB

6 He is the one who came by means of water and blood, Yeshua the Messiah - not with water only, but with the water and the blood. And the Spirit bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 There are three witnesses - 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood - and these three are in agreement.






interesting how the Catholic trinitarian king james made it appear this was happening in heaven, while the Jews confirm this is only talking about Yeshua.



but, the Jews are God's chosen people, not the trinitarian Catholics...and might be why the Catholics were bastardizing scripture to begin with

Do you believe Jesus Christ is God?

Dunno, never met him.
I've read about him but I've also read about dragons, aliens and supercomputers.
According to scriptures there is a planet full of wookies.
Never met a wookie either...

I am ONENESS, like the Messianic Jews. in every description of God, I see Yeshua as God in the flesh. I also see Yeshua as Yahweh when He is in Spirit form [Colossians 1:15]. and I see the Holy Spirit as being the Spirit of Yahweh/Yeshua.


and I believe this manifestation is possible because I know that God is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent.