There is no "hell."

There is no Ancient term for "hell."

It's a fable. A myth.

It's not Scriptural.

By posting what you just posted actually makes you childish.
And you are the one who keeps deflecting.
I was the one who asked you a question and for whatever reason you refuse to answer.

Apparently you have a bad memory.

You seem to be doing a bit of deflection yourself. I have asked over and over what is the Ancient term for "hell." You have come up with none.

You made some strange comments about the CLV, but did not back them up with any evidence.

There is no Ancient term for "hell," as used in the Scriptures.

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”


I guess you wont even believe the scripture out of the bible even. you make up nonsecence.

I actually covered this in my thread about The Rich Man and Lazarus... Literal or Figurative?

Didn't you read it?

But I still ask the question, what is the Ancient term for "hell"? The answer is, there is none.

Your "argument " is moot.
There are a lot of words without an "ancient term" that exist and define that which exists.
There is always a beginning to every word and language.
Just because certain words are not ancient as you like to keep saying over and over does not make a case for your "argument " whatsoever .

The concept of hell is clearly depicted in The Scriptures .
Not everyone goes to Paradise then Heaven.
Therefore where do those who reject the free gift of salvation from our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ go?

Once again, you are wrong.



Perhaps. But not every word of any language is in the Bible.

Every word that is in the English version of the Bible must have an ancient counterpart. If not, it is not a translation, but an interpretation.

You KJV is just such a version--- an interpretation.



I am not sure what you are trying to say here. We are not studying languages, but the Bible. I am not interested in studying "every word and language" And it is evident that you have not studied "every word and language."



The concept of "hell" is absent from the Scriptures. It is clearly just not there. There is no ancient word for "hell." No origin for "hell."

The concept of a "hell" began in Christianity with the Catholic church. The Jews had no "hell." And Jesus never spoke of a "hell."

The Catholic reasoned that "hell" must be a very cold place, as it was the farthest away from God. Demons and devils were depicted on church windows as blue, to reflect the extreme cold. The concept of a hot "hell" didn't come in until sometime after the 10th century.

The Catholic church added the term 'gehenna' to the word 'sheol' and came up with a hot "hell." Red demons started to spring up in stained glass windows. Perhaps in 100 years, they will turn green.

This is NOT how God operates. His word does not change.



If you are confused about where you will go after death, perhaps you need to read the Bible. Jesus told us exactly where we all go. John spoke of it in the Book of Revelation.

CLV 1Co 15:42 Thus also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is roused in incorruption.

CLV 1Co 15:51 Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed,
52 in an instant, in the twinkle of an eye, at the last trump. For He will be trumpeting, and the dead will be |roused incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality.
54 Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory.
55 Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting?

Hell is the world we live in currently...

Years ago, I was cleaning off my night stand and had everything sitting on the bed. I sat on the bed and my clock radio fell on the floor. When I reached down to pick it up it displayed hEll, upside down.
Now, Hell comes twice a day... 11:34 am and 11:34 pm. I now see those displays as "hell".

On a side note, when I saw Jurassic Park 3 and the claw marks happened during the title sequence I now see 1:11 am and 1:11 pm as "Dinosaur Scratch" and I see 11:11 am and 11:11 pm as "Zombie Scratch".

Yes, I am aware I am weird...

I'm not confused one bit, but clearly you are by your statements.

But we do eventually escape this world. According to the myth, in "hell" there is no escape... ever.



Clearly, you are confused. Perhaps you need to actually read the Bible? But I suggest that you find an English version a bit more accurate than the KJV.

The KJV seems to be in the minority when publishing the term "hell.":


New International Version
because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay.

New Living Translation
For you will not leave my soul among the dead or allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.

English Standard Version
For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption.

Berean Study Bible
because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.

Berean Literal Bible
for You will not abandon my soul into Hades, nor will You allow Your Holy One to see decay.

New American Standard Bible
BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.

King James Bible
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
because You will not leave me in Hades or allow Your Holy One to see decay.

International Standard Version
For you will not abandon my soul to Hades or allow your Holy One to experience decay.

NET Bible
because you will not leave my soul in Hades, nor permit your Holy One to experience decay.

New Heart English Bible
because you will not abandon my soul in Sheol, neither will you allow your Holy One to see decay.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Because you did not leave my Soul in Sheol and you did not give your Pure One to see destruction.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
because you do not abandon my soul to the grave or allow your holy one to decay.

New American Standard 1977
BECAUSE THOU WILT NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES,
NOR ALLOW THY HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.

Jubilee Bible 2000
because thou wilt not leave my soul in Hades, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

King James 2000 Bible
Because you will not leave my soul in hades, neither will you allow your Holy One to see corruption.

American King James Version
Because you will not leave my soul in hell, neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption.

American Standard Version
Because thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, nor suffer thy Holy One to see corruption.

Darby Bible Translation
for thou wilt not leave my soul in hades, nor wilt thou give thy gracious one to see corruption.

English Revised Version
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption.

Webster's Bible Translation
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thy Holy One to see corruption:

Weymouth New Testament
For Thou wilt not leave me in the Unseen World forsaken, nor give up Thy holy One to undergo decay.

World English Bible
because you will not leave my soul in Hades, neither will you allow your Holy One to see decay.

Young's Literal Translation
because Thou wilt not leave my soul to hades, nor wilt Thou give Thy Kind One to see corruption;

There is no Scriptural evidence to support the idea that fire and torment are somehow related...

Gen.22:7 - Did Abraham intend to send his son to hell?
Exodus 3:2 - Was Mosses talking to the devil?
Exodus 12:8 - Was Israel commanded to roast their meat in hell?
Exodus 40:38 - Was it the fires of hell that guided Israel?
Leviticus 1:12 - Was it hell that consumed these animals?
Leviticus 2:16 - Were offerings made to the Lord in hell?
Deuteronomy 4:12 - Did the Lord speak from hell?

I could go on and on, I just hope you get the idea. There is no association with fire and sheol/hades.

Don't presume to know which version(s) I do or do not read.

After reading your posts I have come to the conclusion that you believe in universalism AKA gospel inclusion.

Which 100% contradicts The Word of God.

How about this, take the word hell out completely since you are so hung up with it and let's just say punishment instead.

God will not make anyone who doesn't want to be saved , saved.

And believe it or not there are many who do not want or think their souls need salvation.

Those who reject the gospel of Jesus Christ will not be saved therefore will not go to Heaven.
Their souls will reside in an unpleasant place.

You can call it , name it, label it whatever you choose, but that place exists .
It is the same place where Satan , the Anti-Christ , the False Prophet, the other third of the fallen angels will also reside .

Jesus Christ talks about this place more then Heaven.

I never said I did. But I would guess that you use the KJV.



I see. You prefer to exclude the gospels? Well, I suppose that way we still have Paul's writings.



You want to take words out of the Bible and/or change them? Have you not read the warnings about that?

CLV Re 22:18 "I am testifying to everyone who is hearing the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If ever anyone may be appending onto them, God shall be appending onto him the calamities written in this scroll.
19 And if ever anyone should be eliminating from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall be eliminating his part from the log of life, and out of the holy city, that is written in this scroll.

I have a better idea. Let's read the Scriptures, just as they are, and follow what they say.



Wrong.

Here are just a few Bible verses that tell us all mankind will be saved...

CLV 1Tim 2:6 Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all (the testimony in its own eras),

CLV Hb 2:9 Yet we are observing Jesus, Who |has been made some bit inferior to messengers (because of the suffering of death, wreathed with glory and honor), so that in the grace of God, He should be tasting death for the sake of everyone.

CLV 1Jn 2:2 And He/is the propitiatory shelter concerned with our •ins, yet not concerned with •urs only, but concerned with the whole world also.

CLV Jn 12:32 And I, if I should be exalted out of the earth, shall be drawing all to Myself."

Based on what it says in the Bible, all mankind will be saved. But I can produce at least 100 Bible verses that say the same thing.

And yet, you have produced none.



The rest of this is just fantasy. You haven't posted one Bible verse to back up anything you have said.

Not even one.

What is the problem? Haven't you read the Bible?

You cannot provide over 100 verses that state all will be saved whatsoever.

Why? Because they do not exist.

Like I said you adhere to the inclusion gospel which is the same thing as universalism which is not Scriptural at all.

And I don't have to provide anything to especially Scripture because you do not believe the Word of God.
You will just "try" to twist it and spin it to fit your narrative.

Maybe you were asleep during your "Moody" years.

The Word of God warns against false teachers , especially now a days with the events unfolding before our eyes.

I would provide verses for you , but they would be foriegn to you.
Until you understand and accept the deity of Jesus Christ you will not understand the depths of His Word .

That is the reason(s) for your confusion.

Sure they do.

Here are 4. Put them against the Bible verses that you have posted. Oh, that's right. You haven't posted any.

CLV Ro 11:32 For God locks up all together into/in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.

CLV 1Ti 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.

CLV 1Ti 4:10 (for into/for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.

CLV Col 1:20 and through Him to reconcile all into/to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens.

CLV 1Cor 15:51 Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed

There are many more at:

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html

Check them out.



The Bible doesn't support Universalism, and neither do I.

Once again, you are wrong about that.



I haven't "twisted" anything> I post what the Bible says. And you do not.

After this, you start to get downright nasty.

Being dramatic are we not Big.

Anyway as I stated , there are no verses that state everyone will be saved.

Why?
Because they do not exist.

The verses you provided do not state everyone will be saved because everyone will not be saved .

Maybe focus on context and apply the 20/20 rule for a better understanding of the Scriptures because the verses you applied clearly DO NOT state everyone will be saved.

That is a universalism/ gospel inclusion belief.
Which completely contradicts The Scriptures.

Yes , it is Gods will that all come to repentance and be saved , but that does not in any manner suggest that all will be saved in any way , shape, or form.

And yes Jesus Christ (God) is willing and able to save all , but once again not all will accept His salvation through His redemptive work on The Cross.

You are taking verses out of context.
Salvation is a free gift from God.
You either accept or reject that free gift.
You cannot buy it, you cannot earn it, you only can accept or reject that free gift of salvation.

Therefore not everyone receives salvation .

If you reject the deity of Jesus Christ you cannot rightly divide or discern The Scriptures.

If you haven't accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour you cannot rightly divide or discern The Scriptures.

There is no "hell." So there is no salvation from "hell." Jesus never used the word and you have not proven that it even exists, except in your own mind.

CLV 1Ti 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.

It is God's Will that all mankind be saved. You don't think that God is capable of making His Will come true?

CLV 1Ti 4:10 (for into/for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.

Here He is called Saviour of ALL mankind. Who is not part of ALL? Not saved from "hell" because there is no "hell."



The context is what Jesus spoke of over and over. It is a shame that you missed it. Or did you? Perhaps you have never even read the NT.

Therefore your logic is flawed. Also, there is no 20/20 rule when studying the Scriptures. There is no mention of a 20/20 rule in the Scriptures.

100 Scriptural Proofs That Jesus Christ Will Save All Mankind
by Thomas Whittemore

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html

My logic isn't flawed whatsoever and I never said the 20/20 rule was Scriptural.
I said you should apply it when reading Scripture.

Your response is ridiculous at best.
If someone offers you a bowl of Captain Crunch do you say no because Captain Crunch is not in the Bible?

Gods will that all be saved and that all will be saved are two greatly different things.
The first is true , the latter is not.

Yes Jesus Christ (God) is able and willing to save all mankind therefore Saviour of all mankind (as in title only) but not all will allow Him to save them.

God will not make anyone accept His FREE GIFT of salvation.
If He did it wouldn't be a FREE GIFT now would it?
It would be forced salvation which is not of God or how the Scriptures describe God.

And for you to make a senseless childish remark such as , "perhaps you have never even read the NT, shows your "argument " is moot and non-applicable to the discussion.

Also , once again you have not provided anything that proves God saves all whatsoever.
Again.

Also, I would refrain from referring to other men to help prove your nonexistent claims.

Last I looked Thomas Whittmore isn't found in the Scriptures.

Nor universalism or gospel inclusion.

The Scriptures tell us how to study the Scriptures. And there is no mention of a 20/20 rule. It's a shame you don't understand the simple implications. And, yes, your logic is flawed.



You don't think God can make His Will come true? Oh, ye of little faith.

I cannot continue this discussion. You have provided no Scripture to back up anything you say. Your posts are nonsense and you have been attacking me.

Grow up.

CLV Matt 5:48 You, then, shall be mature as your heavenly Father is mature.