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Topic: Is There a Place Called Hell
BigD9832 Joined Thu 07/11/13 Posts: 414	Mon 05/14/18 11:36 AM
Located in Livingston County, Michigan, Hell lies about 15 miles northwest of the popular college town of Ann Arbor and originally grew around a collection of mills alongside a distillery and tavern. Mikey my dear friend,the subject of hell(shoel,lake of fire ) or final destination for the human spirit is really a serious issue. The truth remains that there is definitely 'a place that burns' for Satan and those who follow the ideals of satan-rejecting Jesus Christ(YESHUA) as the saviour of their life. The simple fix is faith in Jesus Christ and his work on the cross of calvary. WHY DID YESHUA DIE? He died to pay for the sins of all humanity. So that we can be free from eternal damnation in the lake of fire or hell fire when we accept him as our Lord and saviour(John 3 v 16) According to Scripture, the final destination for man's spirit is God... CLV Ecc 12:7 And the soil returns onto the earth just as it was, And the spirit, it returns to the One, Elohim, Who gave it. Now you say there is definitely 'a place that burns.' Is there Scripture to back that up or is this just your own beliefs? Of course, there is no such term as "hell-fire." The term "hell" is not Scriptural. Gehenna is an actual physical place. It can only deal with the body. Gehenna is a garbage ravine outside of Jerusalem which is on a sulfur deposit. It is sometimes used as a "Potters Field" of sorts to "bury vagrants and prisoners. Jesus used it as a metaphor for those who did not make the cut from His judgment for the Millennium. It's Hebrew counterpart is called the Valley of the Son of Hinnom... CLV Jer 7:31 They have built the high-place of Topheth which is in the ravine of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in fire such as I did not instruct, nor did it come up on My heart.

BigD9832 Joined Thu 07/11/13 Posts: 414	Mon 05/14/18 11:55 AM
On a serious note . . . This topic is about a word originating from Norse mythology. No, the word Hell isn't in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. However, Hell is the Norse equivalent of the Greek Hades. In Greek mythology, Hades is where all people go when they die, with the worst people going to Tartarus instead. Hades, in turn, is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew Sheol. Regarding the final destination of those who reject Messiah Jesus, Revelation chapter 20 refers to that place as the lake of fire. First off it is spelled "hel," not "hell." It is part of the Nordic Mythology which is generally called Pagan, as is the Roman Mythology. 'Hades' is a translation of the Hebrew term 'sheol' which literally is rendered the "unseen." The word 'hades' also means the "Unseen," which is why it was used in the Scriptures. Unfortunately, the word 'hades' comes to us with baggage. Hades was one of the brothers of Zeus, was the god of the underworld. Again, Pagan myths. I don't see anything in the Scriptures that tells us the Lake of Fire is a "final destination" for anyone. Can you show this in the Scriptures?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Mon 05/14/18 01:36 PM
The Lake of Fire is mentioned 4 times in the Scriptures. All in the Book of Revelation. It is a symbol, but not a literal place. I see no evidence in the Bible that the lake of fire is a symbol.

undrboss Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 522	Mon 05/14/18 02:02 PM
Located in Livingston County, Michigan, Hell lies about 15 miles northwest of the popular college town of Ann Arbor and originally grew around a collection of mills alongside a distillery and tavern. Yes, and the place freezes over, too. On a serious note . . . This topic is about a word originating from Norse mythology. No, the word Hell isn't in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. However, Hell is the Norse equivalent of the Greek Hades. In Greek mythology, Hades is where all people go when they die, with the worst people going to Tartarus instead. Hades, in turn, is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew Sheol. Regarding the final destination of those who reject Messiah Jesus, Revelation chapter 20 refers to that place as the lake of fire. david it doesn't matter how much logic you bring into the conversation , his only argument is the word " hell" isn't mentioned, therefore it doesn't exist. its like the scientists that claim "economic"isn't a real science because Alfred Nobel did not recognize economics when he was a alive or the foundation did not recognize economics earlier on

ReserveCorp Joined Wed 04/25/18 Posts: 135	Mon 05/14/18 02:34 PM
WHY DID YESHUA DIE? Because he lost a lot of blood and he was in shock and his heart stopped. Isn't that right? Oh, that's not what you meant? You meant, "What did Jesus come here for?" Well, that's right in the bible, from Jesus' lips: “To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.” (John 18:37)

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 9013	Mon 05/14/18 03:02 PM
does hell exist?? Does the soul exist??? the body decays at death .. or is incinerated ... so ... is hell a place for souls ... if a soul is energy ... how do you think a soul is cast into fire ? Perhaps tom will know :-) When someone mentions hell .. I am always left wondering why does a god of love and forgivess needs such a place as hell .. seems more an ultimatum to me . Why would he believe in eternal torture ??

BlakeIAM Joined Wed 04/25/18 Posts: 1140	Mon 05/14/18 03:14 PM
God is so holy and righteous that their has to be an eternal place of pure justice regarding the wicked. Example: Satan and the third of angels that rebelled against God in all His glory. Also the Anti-Christ (AKA the beast), and the false prophet. And, guess what? There is. The lake of fire that burneth forever.

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 9013	Mon 05/14/18 03:19 PM
God is so holy and righteous that their has to be an eternal place of pure justice regarding the wicked. Example: Satan and the third of angels that rebelled against God in all His glory. Also the Anti-Christ (AKA the beast), and the false prophet. And, guess what? There is. The lake of fire that burneth forever. is it wicked to not believe in him .. does he differentiate between evil acts and non belief ???

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 9013	Mon 05/14/18 03:21 PM
Why does Satan not have scriptures .. is he not a god also ???

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Mon 05/14/18 03:37 PM
Why does Satan not have scriptures .. is he not a god also ??? Satan is not a god in either the Jewish faith or the messianic faiths (a.k.a. messianic Judaism and Christianity).

Tom4Uhere Joined Sat 12/17/16 Posts: 16240	Mon 05/14/18 04:00 PM
Hell? Heaven? Doesn't matter. Those are concepts used to do what religions do best, control society and the individuals in those societies. An attempt at unity thru belief. I think of the life force as a type of energy. When it gets released, it goes back into the baseline energy of the Universe. Like a drop of water in a vast ocean. Since I am part of the Universe and the Universe is part of me, in a way, when I die I will return to my creator to be manifested in other forms of energy. Since matter is energy, even the part of me that becomes a pebble on a distant planet or a particle of dust in a great cosmic cloud assures that the energy that I am now will persist. It will persist in some form until all energy in the Universe freezes completely. That's going to take a really long time....

BigD9832 Joined Thu 07/11/13 Posts: 414	Mon 05/14/18 04:19 PM
The Lake of Fire is mentioned 4 times in the Scriptures. All in the Book of Revelation. It is a symbol, but not a literal place. I see no evidence in the Bible that the lake of fire is a symbol. Well, of course, there is. The Book of Revelation is full of symbolism. The very fact that it is on revelation and no other book shows that it is symbolic. Have you ever seen a Lake of Fire?

BigD9832 Joined Thu 07/11/13 Posts: 414	Mon 05/14/18 04:21 PM
God is so holy and righteous that their has to be an eternal place of pure justice regarding the wicked. Example: Satan and the third of angels that rebelled against God in all His glory. Also the Anti-Christ (AKA the beast), and the false prophet. And, guess what? There is. The lake of fire that burneth forever. Can you show in the Scriptures that the Lake of fire will burn men forever?

iam_resurrected Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 985	Mon 05/14/18 07:46 PM
for those familiar with YAHWEH, let's see if He mentions hell: Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the (((((lowest hell))))), and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. this verse has Yahweh claiming their are levels to hell including the LOWEST HELL!! LOOK AT THIS VERSE CLOSELY: Proverbs 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. if this verse means GRAVE then a rod beating might get you there faster...but...this claims it will save you from HELL. since we know all of us will physically die, this verse definitely is speaking of another place called hell. NOW, where would that hell be [like it isn't obvious]. plus, this verse proves for those who believe there is NO ETERNAL DAMNATION...YOU ARE WRONG ACCORDING TO THIS VERSE!! Isaiah 14: 9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. verse 15 is NOT THE GRAVE because Satan is able to walk earth and seek those he may devour. so this means a LITERAL HELL. verse 11 speaks of worms crawling upon whle being in this hell with Satan!! a warning from YESHUA: Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.* if hell is dirt, the grave, why would Yeshua claim the hell He speaks of is of FIRE? these few verses clearly prove hell, the place of torment, is absolutely REAL!!

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 9013	Mon 05/14/18 08:34 PM
for those familiar with YAHWEH, let's see if He mentions hell: Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the (((((lowest hell))))), and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. this verse has Yahweh claiming their are levels to hell including the LOWEST HELL!! LOOK AT THIS VERSE CLOSELY: Proverbs 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. if this verse means GRAVE then a rod beating might get you there faster...but...this claims it will save you from HELL. since we know all of us will physically die, this verse definitely is speaking of another place called hell. NOW, where would that hell be [like it isn't obvious]. plus, this verse proves for those who believe there is NO ETERNAL DAMNATION...YOU ARE WRONG ACCORDING TO THIS VERSE!! Isaiah 14: 9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. verse 15 is NOT THE GRAVE because Satan is able to walk earth and seek those he may devour. so this means a LITERAL HELL. verse 11 speaks of worms crawling upon whle being in this hell with Satan!! a warning from YESHUA: Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.* if hell is dirt, the grave, why would Yeshua claim the hell He speaks of is of FIRE? these few verses clearly prove hell, the place of torment, is absolutely REAL!! as always it is down to interpretation ......not only of words and language but in the context and time in which they were written .. Some of your readings are included within this article but have a very different interpretation .. from professional scholars ..., http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/tbhell.html i found this interesting ... . John Baptist, who preached to the most wicked of men, did not use it once. Paul wrote fourteen epistles, and yet never once mentions it. Peter does not name it, nor Jude; and John, who wrote the gospel, three epistles, and the Book of Revelations, never employs it in a single instance. Now if Gehenna or hell really reveals the terrible fact of endless woe, how can we account for this strange silence? How is it possible, if they knew its meaning, and believed it a part of Christ's teaching, that they should not have used it a hundred or a thousand times, instead of never using it at all; especially when we consider the infinite interests involved?

iam_resurrected Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 985	Mon 05/14/18 11:07 PM Edited by iam_resurrected on Mon 05/14/18 11:09 PM
for those familiar with YAHWEH, let's see if He mentions hell: Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the (((((lowest hell))))), and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. this verse has Yahweh claiming their are levels to hell including the LOWEST HELL!! LOOK AT THIS VERSE CLOSELY: Proverbs 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. if this verse means GRAVE then a rod beating might get you there faster...but...this claims it will save you from HELL. since we know all of us will physically die, this verse definitely is speaking of another place called hell. NOW, where would that hell be [like it isn't obvious]. plus, this verse proves for those who believe there is NO ETERNAL DAMNATION...YOU ARE WRONG ACCORDING TO THIS VERSE!! Isaiah 14: 9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. verse 15 is NOT THE GRAVE because Satan is able to walk earth and seek those he may devour. so this means a LITERAL HELL. verse 11 speaks of worms crawling upon whle being in this hell with Satan!! a warning from YESHUA: Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.* if hell is dirt, the grave, why would Yeshua claim the hell He speaks of is of FIRE? these few verses clearly prove hell, the place of torment, is absolutely REAL!! as always it is down to interpretation ......not only of words and language but in the context and time in which they were written .. Some of your readings are included within this article but have a very different interpretation .. from professional scholars ..., http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/tbhell.html i found this interesting ... . John Baptist, who preached to the most wicked of men, did not use it once. Paul wrote fourteen epistles, and yet never once mentions it. Peter does not name it, nor Jude; and John, who wrote the gospel, three epistles, and the Book of Revelations, never employs it in a single instance. Now if Gehenna or hell really reveals the terrible fact of endless woe, how can we account for this strange silence? How is it possible, if they knew its meaning, and believed it a part of Christ's teaching, that they should not have used it a hundred or a thousand times, instead of never using it at all; especially when we consider the infinite interests involved? partially that is due to who Paul, Peter, and many of the New Testament writers directed their messages to. example: Paul's letters were to established churches who already understood the concept of eternal damnation. Peter wrote to the Jews trying to convert them to Yeshua and they believed hell's fires were being stoked by the Gentile. so, there really was no need to mention something that everyone already understood. basically, the letters were to instruct church behavior and how to conduct themselves as followers of Yeshua. it really was not about rules and if you break rules. it was more about how to live your life according to how Yeshua lived His life. and it explained just exactly who Yeshua was, and will be when He returns. now, the Book of Jude is about backsliders and people who knew God and turned away from Him. this book is one of the most meaningful books in all of the bible. but in Revelation, the Lake of Fire is mentioned. and it includes Satan, the false prophet, antichrist, and death and hell being cast into it. this is rather clear picture of where all of the bad entities and those who side with those entities will end up at instead of being in paradise.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Tue 05/15/18 05:30 AM
Hell and the Lake of Fire are two separate topics. As previously pointed out, the word Hell (also spelled Hel) comes from the Norse people who lived in the Nordic region of ancient Europe. The Online Etymology Dictionary states, "The English word may be in part from Old Norse mythological Hel (from Proto-Germanic *halija "one who covers up or hides something"), in Norse mythology the name of Loki's daughter who rules over the evil dead in Niflheim, the lowest of all worlds (nifl "mist"). A pagan concept and word fitted to a Christian idiom (https://www.etymonline.com/word/hell)." So, Hel (or Hell) originated as the name of a person in Norse mythology, just as the name Hades originated as the name of a person in Greek mythology (https://www.etymonline.com/word/hades). Neither the Old Testament authors nor the New Testament authors used the Norse word Hell. As for the Lake of Fire, that place is clearly mentioned by John of Patmos in the book of Revelation.

BigD9832 Joined Thu 07/11/13 Posts: 414	Tue 05/15/18 12:51 PM Edited by BigD9832 on Tue 05/15/18 12:52 PM
iam_resurrected... CLV Deut 32:22 For a fire, it will be kindled by My anger, And it shall glow unto the unseen beneath; It shall devour the earth and its crop, And it shall set aflame the foundations of the mountains. CLV Pr 23:14 You shall smite him with the club And so rescue his soul from the unseen. CLV Isa 14:15 Nevertheless, to the unseen shall you be brought down, To the remote parts of the crypt! CLV Matt 5:22 Yet I am saying to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to the judging. Yet whoever may be saying to his brother, `Raka!' shall be liable to the Sanhedrin. Yet whoever may be saying, `Stupid!' shall be liable to the Gehenna of fire. Nowhere in the Scriptures does the term "hell" appear. It must be interpreted there. Your KJV was taken from Tyndale's Bible in a roundabout way. Tyndale was a Catholic priest. From Dodo_David Hell and the Lake of Fire are two separate topics. Agreed.

BlakeIAM Joined Wed 04/25/18 Posts: 1140	Tue 05/15/18 07:22 PM
Ice cream isn't "in" the bible, but yet it exist.

undrboss Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 522	Tue 05/15/18 07:25 PM
Ice cream isn't "in" the bible, but yet it exist. ha, neither are airplanes , jet fighters, armored tank divisions, television and a million other things. Im guessing they don't exist either.