FFS the Berlin wall isn't the same as this. The Berlin Wall kept East Germany prisoners. This isn't the same. It is about all illegals. Every other country has immigrantion laws but face it....they don't have our border issues

The important thing that must be remembered is that citizen status at 18 doesn't come as a surprise to immigrated families.
That 17 year old knows what law requires when they turn 18.
Just like a natural born teen knows they are required to register for the selective service at 18.
It doesn't matter when they came to the US. They are either natural born citizens or they are not.

Children fall under the protection and authority of their parents until they reach the age of suffrage. That age, in this country, is 18. At 18, they become adults and are responsible for their own actions and status.
This includes all the records that are kept as well.

At 18, juvenile records are closed and adult records are tracked. It is the age of separation. For an immigrant, age 18 signifies one of their first adult decisions. To stay or to go. If they want to stay, they do what is needed to get their green card. If they don't, they know they will be told to leave. Its not a surprise. They know it will happen.

My B-i-L was 4 when his parents immigrated. All he knew was life in the US. All his schooling was in US schools. All his friends were US born. Even then, his parents were intelligent enough to educate him in the responsibilities that he would face when he turned 18. That's because they loved their family. They set examples of being responsible citizens to their family because they loved their new country and had moral integrity. They didn't look for excuses, exemptions or loopholes, they looked for solutions. They embraced the requirements this country set for immigration.

I'm sure there were family issues that arose over immigration issues. They handled those issues within, as a condition of their being allowed to live in this country. They didn't scream and stomp and shout to the world how unfair it was.

I remember when my B-i-L had an issue with his green card. He didn't freak out and throw a fit. He did what to took to get the issue resolved as a matter of duty. He knows he is an immigrant, he values his citizenship. To him, its worth the effort it took.

Those kids grow up amd unless they do something, they are illegal

Most other countries don't understand because they don't have people from everywhere trying to come in illegally.

Back in the day, yes we would be considered illegal by today's standards. That isn't today. People that came here where from England (like most countries today), France and Spain. Americans didn't come here because there was no such thing.

We have a border issue that others don't have. How many can cross over in Australia. NZ, even European countries. How many are coming there illegally but yet have immigrantion laws?

I admit that I don't know a lot about immigration laws or the status of illegals in this country.
Someone mentioned a few replies back about the illegal issue being minly from visa's and green cards that have expired and not been renewed. I think that makes a lot of sense.
A border wall is not going to fix the problem.
It could lighten the load but it certainly isn't a fix.

How many people do you know in the States that carry their passports with them? On the other hand, how many carry identification with them?

Its my impression that in some other countries, the authorities can ask to see your "papers" at anytime. They can, and do, perform spot checks for any number of reasons including racial profiling or just walking down the street.

Here in the states, authorities can't just ask to see your ID without probable cause. Random check points are easily avoided. Nearly all random check points are geared to motorists.

Our sense of 'freedom' is fortified by our ability to progress thru life in anonimity. When was the last time your nationality was randomly verified?

In this sense, our expectations of privacy causes the very problem we are wanting a wall to fix. We don't randomly check people for citizenship. Its the lack of those 'spot checks' that allows illegal immigrants to freely roam our streets.

But... the alternative is what many call a "police state". For most, the idea of a 'police state' is a worse condition than having illegal immigrants in our country.

The perception is not 'protecting our nation' it is 'violating our freedom and privacy'. Just look at how census takers are viewed in this country. Even when the Census is scheduled and publicly announced.

In my opinion if you're here illegaly "GET OUT"..or we'll throw you out..plain and simple no bleeding heart bs..And as far as if they're here but not breaking the law..HELLO..them being here by itself is breaking the law..again... plain and simple...

Eggzactly.

Its like driving without insurance.
Its law that you carry at least the minimum insurance or you can't legally drive your car.
It doesn't matter if you have an accident or not, without insurance you are breaking the law so you shouldn't be driving in the first place.

OK...want a Wall ? ...i'll agree to it on 2 conditions...

#1..the US Army Corps of Engineers builds it

#2..all funds necessary to build it will be appropriated from
the portion of the budget already assigned to the Dept of Defense
(no private companies) & (no increase in DOD budget)

lets put that ^^ proposal up for vote on the House Floor...

#fat chance

sorry, double post

Currently there is very little knowledge being shared with young illegal immigrants on their options, and there is STILL no option that will not deport them for Illegal immigration in the first place.

The problem is, in our immigration process, illegal immigration isnt something that can get 'resolved' the current mood and admin's only response is deportation.

It is not bleeding heart to recognize that being LEGAL implies in immigration to signing contracts, and since CHILDREN cannot enter into contracts, they should not be punished because they didnt have 'legal' status by being deported. THere needs to be a way for them to continue living where they know and love once they CAN enter into the contract without fear of deportation.

it is not like that law really. Because IF you are driving, you are ELIGIBLE for insurance. If you were a child, you were never ELIGIBLE to act to become 'legal'

brilliant, if its a 'defense' matter, it makes sense as part of the defense budget. Id go along with that in a heartbeat.

Well, yeah, however...

... the thing is, NO ONE has been willing to do what has to be done in order to get those people out.

No one. And it's not "bleeding hearts" that have primarily been in the way. Most of those folks are just being suckered by one of the cover stories certain politicians came up with to hide behind the fact that they weren't willing to do anything to address the problem in a practical way.

We STILL don't have a majority of politicians in either party who want to do anything about it.

I tried to warn various people before the election, that although Trump might personally want to deal with the problem, his chosen political party, the Republicans, do not.

And it's not because they are a bunch of wanna-be cheap labor fanatics, as they are often accused of being (though some no doubt are). It's that they are, as a party, opposed to expanding the Federal government, expanding government employees, against regulation of business (especially the larger ones), and against spending money on anything that primarily helps middle and lower class people. And the only way to ACTUALLY address the problem, involves all those things.

Basically, the GOP wont invest enough in the INS to address the problem, and they wont penalize or pay to enforce penalties against businesses who hire illegals, and they wont to anything to increase the expenses of businesses.

They USED TO excuse all this, on the grounds that they were opposed to requiring Americans to carry proof of citizenship at all times. That was a left-over reaction to having been through World War 2, and wanting to promote America being so great, because we DIDN'T do as the Germans did, and require "papers" all the time.

The wall is just another cover story. Trump likes it, probably because he is familiar with using real estate and construction to do things, and because it's dramatic. But it's impractical in the extreme, and it's expensive, and so again, the GOP isn't all that excited about funding it.

I still don't believe we need a wall ..It probably would be cheaper to put a satellite in space,ground sensors ..self docking/charging station drones that deploy and light up their location ..Heck you can put a satellite in space that will monitor hurricanes for 290 mill compared to what billions..I wonder how much of that will be misappropriated..

I still don't believe we need a physical wall ..we just need to use the technology we have on hand..

I actually agree

I dunno, That seems like an oblivious one sided view to me.

The child of a legal immigrant is legal under the parents. They are legal until they turn 18. If they wait to seek legal status until they are 18, they are breaking the law first and trying to get acceptance. At 18, the law has already been broken.

Its not like its a secret kept from them. At 17 any 'normal' kid has the intelligence to use the internet. All the information they need to know is there, but it does require that they at least look at it. Plus, the adults in this situation, the legal immigrant parents know what the immigration laws are. It makes no sense for a parent, who loves their child, to keep such vital information from them. Then there are the schools and guidance councilors that are willing to help.

Those young adults that are deported at 18 are deported because they allowed themselves (or their parents allowed them) to enter into a state of illegal immigrant status. The deportation happens "after the law has been broken".

My B-i-L had his greencard on the day he turned 18. He didn't wait till he was an illegal to try to get one. His family (parents) made sure he had his ducks in a row.

The fact is, when the authorities check, it is your current state that determines the action. "Well, officer, I was gunna pay my taxes but I just haven't gotten around to it yet" Well, officer, I was going to wait till the store opened but breaking in was faster" You either are legal or you're not.

The fact is, if you are here in this country as a legal immigrant and your children were not born here. If you LOVE your children you will make sure they have what they need by the time they need it. If they need a greencard by the time they turn 18, you help them get a greencard by the time they turn 18. You MAKE it happen, that is, if your children are important to you.

You are missing my point.

THIS

Those young adults that are deported at 18 are deported because they allowed themselves (or their parents allowed them) to enter into a state of illegal immigrant status. The deportation happens "after the law has been broken"


is the point. WE should not hold people to task for what their PARENTS DID OR DID NOT DO when they were children with NO POWER to intervene. The child broke no law, the child should have a way to LEGALLY remain after having resided here their entire childhood.

teenager: my parents were deported 3 years ago..i found out
thru friends i needed to apply for green card when i turned 18
yesterday was my birthday...so here i am...

INS agent: turn around and face the wall, you are under arrest..

double sorry, double post..

MsH, do you know any that were deported at 18 ?