whether thats true or not, lets assume Im talking about the GROWN UPS who have not chosen assistance AS GROWNUPS and lived here since childhood.

for those it applies to in the here and now, possibly if a process that would apply to those and only those that currently fit into this profile and not become a cart blanche for any and all minors like the currently overly abused anchor baby law

Exactly!!

I think compassion and common sense are called for.

As well as a clear goal, is it just to have documents on every non american and punish and throw out any non american without them

or is there actually an interest in a greater safety or greater good?

IF it is the former, I feel sorry for what our culture has become if the goal is merely the former.

If it is the latter than the cases need to be taken on their individual merits, just like in our criminal system, and not all lumped together.

Mitigating circumstances should not have the SAME outcome as outright disrespect of the law. And I feel being brought here before legal age of consent(with no consent possible and no culpability to enter contracts) is a mitigating circumstance that warrants more of a review than mere presence of the right documents.

If that person has remained into adulthood without being arrested or charged with a crime,

if that person has not been on assistance as an adult and has worked

if that person has worked in charity or civil service

these are all things, to me, that negate concern for 'safety' where that person is concerned, and which warrant them 'earning' a right to remain and having some option to enter a contract stating so without fear of deportation

personally i have no problem with even permanent resident aliens as opposed to everyone must naturalize. just do it openly and by the rules.and if you look abroad most countries have some form of restriction of children of immigrants legal or otherwise. one such example is france which has a provision and process for children (16-22) of illegals whereby they must seek citizenship.

no i not about bean counting and slamming the door in everybodys' face
but if the tide could be stemmed then more jobs(maybe not great ones)would be available. and aid system would have to cope with less mouth to feed etc. all things which would allows us to do more or budget less for our "own"

I wonder where? I heard this before. Seriously why do you put up such a fight for this?

Basically...

You have strangers walking into your house and living there uninvited and without your permission.
They invite their family and friends to live there too.
Sometimes they help out with the chores but more often not.
They use your stuff to start side businesses but pay you nothing in return.
They eat your food, get you to pay for their health care and talk in a language you don't know.
When you've finally had enough and try to throw them out, your neighbors make you the bad guy.

Pfft...

where what?

where do they contribute? To the economy when they make purchases. to the taxes when they work, to the community when they do charitable deeds, ...

where do they hold jobs?

many places

where do they go to school?

all over.

I am not fighting. I am participating in a thread discussion. For the same reasons that are good enough for anyone else to participate.

yeah, that would suck

however, if you are running a business where in you CHARGE people to enter your establishment with their families in return for their contribution and participation in maintaining the establishment

and you find later that someone who has been working diligently at that establishment actually had been there since their adult parent entered without PAYING, and you still kick them out without considering the circumstances, I feel that pretty much DOES Make you the bad guy.

I wonder if they do that illegal too.

A nation of laws..perhaps they should change that to ..A nation of double standards...

Haaa, only in politics

for the common man, laws are still laws, and children are still not held to the 'laws' of adults, especially laws requiring contracts.

Or illegals..

naw, illegals have to follow laws in contracts, CHILDREN cannot enter into contracts and are susceptible to those laws regarding them

The british used thousands of tons of opium to subvert china's self protective wall of isolationism.

Some 'countries' I won't mention, use thousands of tons of bombs to subvert other countries' self protective wall of isolationism.

A wall surrounding an imaginary 'land of milk and honey' will not last forever, no matter what 'religion' you waste your time with.

A line of soldiers 2000 miles long -
just imagine the 'friendly fire' accidents, the environmental destruction, the cost of infrastructure needed to supply the troops and remove waste, the ongoing medical and mental health issues for those troops, the disruption to communities anywhere near the border, etc.

Didn't some president not so long ago say "tear down that wall" to the eastern bloc.

A wall around Trump Tower would be more effective and inexpensive.

Oh, you were doing so well until you threw in the Trump slur at the end. The wall that some president spoke about was built to keep people in not out.

Make the illigals pay for a wall, with all the money, someone stated they made, while working and growing up here in USA!

either way, the end result was to restrict travel between two sides, and it was torn down.

why would people pay to restrict others from the very same opportunities that permitted them to be ABLE to pay?

more logical would be those who WANT the wall pay for the wall, and leave those who dont to spend their money on more important things....

That is the most important thing, security of USA! Have secure boaders!
Illigals are what needs to be stopped!
Duh