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and two cents from forbes.com If lawmakers want to address the future flow of people attempting to enter the country unlawfully they can make two policy changes that do not involve major changes to immigration enforcement. First, Congress can make it lawful to work in America under a legal visa at year-round jobs in construction, hotels, restaurants and landscaping. The visas can be fully portable, since that would be the best labor protection. The failure to make this common-sense reform has profited criminal smuggling gangs and resulted in hundreds of deaths annually of those attempting to enter the U.S. through unsafe border areas. The second change is to work actively with Central American governments to reduce the violence that is driving so many of its citizens to flee to the United States. Sending people back to conditions that can get them killed or preventing individuals from pursuing viable asylum claims is not a policy worthy of the country that Thomas Jefferson once said “should be the asylum of all those who wish to avoid the scenes which have crushed our friends in [other lands].” Beyond deporting people who represent a genuine criminal or security threat to Americans, the rest of those targeted for deportation are people already in the workforce, at least 70 percent of whom have been living in the United States 10 years or longer, according to the Department of Homeland Security. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2017/12/05/wheres-the-immigration-crisis-u-s-border-patrol-reports-illegal-border-crossings-at-record-low/#72cb99fb4b73 |
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So let me get this by offering up visas once they have expired then that will make them want to go back to the country they are fleeing from..tell me how that's going to work and the second one is what .. working with their government because they won't get off their ***** and amass a force to fight that which has been destroying their country for years..which in turn would wind up probably putting us in another war.. You know I think it was not so awfully long ago that we found ourselves in a situation where we didn't like how certain parts of the country were treating people..so we got off our butts and fought the war to put our country in order and free people ..we didn't wait for someone else to do it There comes a time when one must organize stand and fight for what's right..but you know like I know that if we were to get involved in a war in Mexico..there would be nothing from bring it right here in our back door and on our land.. If the U.S were to advise and fund the war what makes anyone think it would stop at the border..and even if we attempted to help covertly..it's not like especially lately that it wouldn't be leaked..and still creep over our border.. It's their civil war that needs to be fought they should fight it rather than flee how many of these countries rely on our funding..haven't looked that up yet..but for those we do maybe we should tell them funding will stop unless they show a major effort to repel the forces aimed at destroying their country.. The real and only choice is either we clean up their country or they do..or else the trend continues..Forbes ideas are just a continuation of what already is... 
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Again, it all depends on the true aim. If it is merely about documentation, one option is focusing on 'sending them back'
if the aim is 'securing america' another option is offering more options for those who are here contributing to the economy and the american workforce TO STAY and continue to do so. its all about the true motives ... |
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It's just an attempt of the globalist to take over the world with open borders..or it could just be a fig newton of my imagination.. ..yes I know it's figment..so don't start..lol
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It's just an attempt of the globalist to take over the world with open borders..or it could just be a fig newton of my imagination.. ..yes I know it's figment..so don't start..lol
Open borders would be NO WALL, and we already have a wall which noone has called to be torn down. The immigration debate is no more about an open border than the gun debate is about confiscating guns from lawful gunowners. The immigration debate is about the need for building MORE WALL, as well as the justification of costs and where they will come from. |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Mon 02/19/18 01:28 PM
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Again, it all depends on the true aim. If it is merely about documentation, one option is focusing on 'sending them back' if the aim is 'securing america' another option is offering more options for those who are here contributing to the economy and the american workforce TO STAY and continue to do so. its all about the true motives ... |
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It's just an attempt of the globalist to take over the world with open borders..or it could just be a fig newton of my imagination.. ..yes I know it's figment..so don't start..lol
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just a few numbers i've read about...these are estimates only
but basically agreed upon by most rational people... about 11 million illegals in the US.. of these 11m about two to three percent engage in felonious criminal activity....to save argument i'll raise that figure double to 5-6 percent.. so, one can surmise, that 95 % of all illegal immigrants are law abiding people who are NOT criminals, but hard working people who contribute to our society, pay taxes and in general cause no harm...i'm pretty sure most of that 95% aren't taking anybodys job away either...i would say a large number are being exploited by agra-farm corporations who pay them a sub-standard wage for their labor, but they work anyway, because to speak out would spell their doom...finding a US citizen who is willing to perform stoop-labor harvesting crops for 50 bucks a day with no benefits please apply at Con-Agra today... for me, i just don't see any threat to America from these people.. to the criminal element i agree, round them up, just like we do to the criminals who are US citizens... still afraid of the pretend bogeyman....i'm not |
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just a few numbers i've read about...these are estimates only but basically agreed upon by most rational people... about 11 million illegals in the US.. of these 11m about two to three percent engage in felonious criminal activity....to save argument i'll raise that figure double to 5-6 percent.. so, one can surmise, that 95 % of all illegal immigrants are law abiding people who are NOT criminals, but hard working people who contribute to our society, pay taxes and in general cause no harm...i'm pretty sure most of that 95% aren't taking anybodys job away either...i would say a large number are being exploited by agra-farm corporations who pay them a sub-standard wage for their labor, but they work anyway, because to speak out would spell their doom...finding a US citizen who is willing to perform stoop-labor harvesting crops for 50 bucks a day with no benefits please apply at Con-Agra today... for me, i just don't see any threat to America from these people.. to the criminal element i agree, round them up, just like we do to the criminals who are US citizens... still afraid of the pretend bogeyman....i'm not |
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Science fiction is full of scenarios of both Dystopian Isolation and Utopian Unity. Some radical science fiction concepts explore Utopian Isolation and Dystopian Unity. Both borders and no borders.
All the scenarios deal with the idealisms of a specific group. To a united planet, borders are not necessary. They are not needed because the people on that planet view the entire population of people as one people. United in a common goal. Defend the planet from hostile invaders, come together to pool our intelligence to create a planetary science. There is always a ruling class of people keeping goals in focus. Its when those goals go out of focus or are changed without agreement that dystopia sets in. From a Utopian point of view, our world is self-destructing. Technology and wealth is not shared and we maintain this status quo thru isolation. We don't want to share. The Canadian border is not subject to scrutiny as much as the Mexican border because Canada is close to our level of technology and wealth. Mexico is 3rd world technology and wealth. We see it as unstable and dangerous. Likewise, we see its people as unstable and dangerous as a whole but the people individually are just people. Just like our own citizens there are some that are unstable and dangerous. Unlike our citizens we can't control the illegal immigrants because we can't accurately track and influence them. In a world of unity, there is no need for borders. There is no 1st world/3rd world separation. No reason to isolate. Technology and wealth is spread out to become one quality of life. To do this would require the higher level countries to 'give' their technology and wealth to te less developed countries. We refuse to sacrifice our technology and wealth so we try to protect it by isolation. But...Imagine for a second that the technology and wealth were spread out equally across the world. It allows the people all over the world to have the same intelligence and values that promote our way of life. The 3rd world countries then become part of the whole. There is less conflict and greater tendancy for unity. The threat is removed in favor of technology and wealth. Its a shift in thinking far beyond the ability of most people. The concept supports the Kardashev scale of advanced civilizations. Specifically what it will take for the people of Earth to reach a type ONE civilization. A Type I designation is a given to species who have been able to harness all the energy that is available from a neighboring star, gathering and storing it to meet the energy demands of a growing population.
~ http://futurism.com/the-kardashev-scale-type-i-ii-iii-iv-v-civilization/ The scale focuses on energy production and technology but to reach that point in technology require global unity like we have never experienced. A global unity that can't happen with our current mindset. So go ahead and argue about immigrants. Argue about borders. Call for war and kill your neighbor. In the mean time, I'll be patiently waiting for us to unify and become a Type 1 civilization. {{{Born in the Wrong Time}}} |
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Edited by
msharmony
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I think the difficulty in what is being suggested is that people will not own up to what is WRONG with 'our' way of life, (whoever the 'our' happens to refer to doesnt matter)
People tend to want to dominate and become attached to the symbolism and idealism of owning values. People tend to place cultures in a hierarchy of those that are better or worse without real review of the improvements they themselves should be making to be better. I think it would be nice if instead of humans expecting humans to be more like them, if we instead became more like a better SELF. IF all would set that goal, without the knocking down and dominating and competitive classifications, we might get somewhere more enlightened, not to mention safer and healthier. And it is difficult. the common philosophy of gratefulness that causes people to focus on good things is because 'others have it worse' or because they know how much worse off it could be for them. And it is hard for that idea of 'I/we could have it worse' to not translate into "I am/we are better'. |
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I think the difficulty in what is being suggested is that people will not own up to what is WRONG with 'our' way of life, (whoever the 'our' happens to refer to doesnt matter) People tend to want to dominate and become attached to the symbolism and idealism of owning values. People tend to place cultures in a hierarchy of those that are better or worse without real review of the improvements they themselves should be making to be better. I think it would be nice if instead of humans expecting humans to be more like them, if we instead became more like a better SELF. IF all would set that goal, without the knocking down and dominating and competitive classifications, we might get somewhere more enlightened, not to mention safer and healthier. And it is difficult. the common philosophy of gratefulness that causes people to focus on good things is because 'others have it worse' or because they know how much worse off it could be for them. And it is hard for that idea of 'I/we could have it worse' to not translate into "I am/we are better'. That was wonderful, thanx for sharing. Our problems really are OUR problems. They are a result of our social mindset and social values. Society is made up of individuals. The problems faced by societies are the problems of the individuals. Society is a majority rule. The hate, greed and discrimmination of the individuals that make up the majority of a society get focus. Society operates in the negative because the majority of the people operate in the negative. To fix it requires a radical shift in the thinking of the individuals that make up the society. All societies are made up of leaders and followers. When the leaders properly lead the followers follow without conflict. When the leaders lose their ability to lead, followers become discontented. The unity of the society suffers. The UNITED States of the People of America implies that the people are UNITED. This is getting farther from the truth as time passes. We are creating our own problems by losing our unity. |
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I agree that unity is indeed important. I think sometimes our perception of 'unity' is based upon things happening the way that most pleases or benefits us.
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so what if we allow PRIVATE donations for the wall, allow the supporters, including Trump, to take anonymous donations on Gofundme or something, and WALL supporters can build their wall ..?
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donations would be a good thing...
how about a box to check on the income tax form ? do you want to contribute a percent of your refund to the cost of the WALL ??? check the appropriate box (1% to 99%) your contribution will be deducted from your return... LOL that should cover it, nada problemo... |
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Science fiction is full of scenarios of both Dystopian Isolation and Utopian Unity. Some radical science fiction concepts explore Utopian Isolation and Dystopian Unity. Both borders and no borders. All the scenarios deal with the idealisms of a specific group. To a united planet, borders are not necessary. They are not needed because the people on that planet view the entire population of people as one people. United in a common goal. Defend the planet from hostile invaders, come together to pool our intelligence to create a planetary science. There is always a ruling class of people keeping goals in focus. Its when those goals go out of focus or are changed without agreement that dystopia sets in. From a Utopian point of view, our world is self-destructing. Technology and wealth is not shared and we maintain this status quo thru isolation. We don't want to share. The Canadian border is not subject to scrutiny as much as the Mexican border because Canada is close to our level of technology and wealth. Mexico is 3rd world technology and wealth. We see it as unstable and dangerous. Likewise, we see its people as unstable and dangerous as a whole but the people individually are just people. Just like our own citizens there are some that are unstable and dangerous. Unlike our citizens we can't control the illegal immigrants because we can't accurately track and influence them. In a world of unity, there is no need for borders. There is no 1st world/3rd world separation. No reason to isolate. Technology and wealth is spread out to become one quality of life. To do this would require the higher level countries to 'give' their technology and wealth to te less developed countries. We refuse to sacrifice our technology and wealth so we try to protect it by isolation. But...Imagine for a second that the technology and wealth were spread out equally across the world. It allows the people all over the world to have the same intelligence and values that promote our way of life. The 3rd world countries then become part of the whole. There is less conflict and greater tendancy for unity. The threat is removed in favor of technology and wealth. Its a shift in thinking far beyond the ability of most people. The concept supports the Kardashev scale of advanced civilizations. Specifically what it will take for the people of Earth to reach a type ONE civilization. A Type I designation is a given to species who have been able to harness all the energy that is available from a neighboring star, gathering and storing it to meet the energy demands of a growing population.
~ http://futurism.com/the-kardashev-scale-type-i-ii-iii-iv-v-civilization/ The scale focuses on energy production and technology but to reach that point in technology require global unity like we have never experienced. A global unity that can't happen with our current mindset. So go ahead and argue about immigrants. Argue about borders. Call for war and kill your neighbor. In the mean time, I'll be patiently waiting for us to unify and become a Type 1 civilization. {{{Born in the Wrong Time}}} |
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Like I've said before I don't think a wall is necessary technology could do a lot better..But I have to say I do appreciate the idealistic attitudes..but do you honestly believe that if everyone was on an even keel with each other that it would end all the problems in the world..c'mon..and we can all sit around a campfire cook some smores and sing kumbaya.. I guess if we all thought with the same mentality perhaps but we don't,there are always going to be those who want more..You know the only time I thought I saw any idea of real unity was when 9/11 happened ..Now if you give all the people of the world a common enemy ..let's say a good old alien invasion you might see the world come together otherwise..it ain't gonna happen... I seriously don't think it has anything to do with the boogeyman..maybe some people just find it disrespectful that others don't respect the laws of our nation..so they should get a free pass ..when there are others who have been standing in line respecting the laws of our nation..what makes them think they have the right ...they do And if they're not going to respect the laws..why should anyone else..why will anyone else..and since they get away with it what about the next bunch..I mean what's fair for one is fair for all..and if it was to create a mass exodus of epic proportions whose to say who goes and who stays..no one..cuz there is no law..
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donations would be a good thing... how about a box to check on the income tax form ? do you want to contribute a percent of your refund to the cost of the WALL ??? check the appropriate box (1% to 99%) your contribution will be deducted from your return... LOL that should cover it, nada problemo... that is an excellent idea. |
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And let me add this ..so when all the illegals come over millions and millions of them come over and millions more and we make them legal and when major companies see that they will work for half of what you do because they're willing to pack twenty in a house whose gonna start losing their jobs you will.. so you might want to get ready to start packing twenty in your household..now your whole way of life has changed ..and now there's so many people that they're lining the streets ..and guess what you are one of them sleeping in a ditch on the side of the road..cuz there's no jobs Big corporations now they're gonna love it cause that's more money in their pockets..so ya might want to rethink this over before you get too carried away with the world of kumbaya..This is what the globalist want..so go ahead a play right into their hands..
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And let me add this ..so when all the illegals come over millions and millions of them come over and millions more and we make them legal and when major companies see that they will work for half of what you do because they're willing to pack twenty in a house whose gonna start losing their jobs you will.. so you might want to get ready to start packing twenty in your household..now your whole way of life has changed ..and now there's so many people that they're lining the streets ..and guess what you are one of them sleeping in a ditch on the side of the road..cuz there's no jobs Big corporations now they're gonna love it cause that's more money in their pockets..so ya might want to rethink this over before you get too carried away with the world of kumbaya..This is what the globalist want..so go ahead a play right into their hands..
thats not really the case, when they are here legally, they will HAVE to be paid the same money by major companies as others, it would not be legal to pay them less just because they were 'willing' and when they get equal pay, why would they all of a sudden be 'willing' to take less? mexican family size is decreasing, so its not likely to be a sudden influx of NEW workers that would work to ensure they get LESS than others are. Those 'willing' to take less do so out of desperation and lack of ability to negotiate anything better for fear of deportation. Once they are on equal 'legal' footing, they would negotiate better pay like anybody else does. |
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