Thanks Winnie.. He is my life, my breath, my all in all... Praise God and Jesus the Son for all they have done for me.

I am not ashamed to defend/proclaim HIM infront of men, for if I was He would be ashamed to proclaim me infront of His Father in Heaven.

the fossil record is in perfect harmony with the bible, and wikedia. It states that all species reproduce according to thier kind. The fossil record shows just that, a given species shows up, lives for a time, then dissapears. THERE IS NO MISSING LINK IN THE FOSSIL RECORD, hence the name missing link.
every one has been proven to be a hoax, or a figment of the finders inagination. e.g., Lucy is an ape skeleton, stained with tea to look old.

JARHEAD,

The collection of writings, known today as the Holy Bible, is a canonical collection of things written, historically, depicting deliberate and clear reference to the coming and subsequent death and resurrection of one named Jesus of Nazareth.

The name, Jesus Christ is actually of a deeper consequence when transliterated to its literal context. " The salvation is the anointing". In the Greek, here, and the same in Hebrew.

"Hobbies of any kind are boring except to people who have the same hobby. This is also true of religion, although you will not find me saying so in print."

-Dave Barry

there is a huge difference between religions and bible teachings in most cases, so to assume that they are the same is bound to lead to flawed conclusions. religion does not equal bible teachings.

BIBLICAL INCONSISTENCIES


The greatest is found in the mouths of EVERY detractor of the Holy Bible.

Quick to point to the indifference of chronology and translation.

Slow and more times than not,NEVER, to act upon the charge upon their own soul to seek and find God .

This subsequent deflection and distractive tactic is consistently used to disguise the gripping fear of weak, unstable and selfishly obstinate duplicitous bearers of secret wrongs.

Self justification that needs no defence. 75 years of personal torment is sufficient defence, plus or minus a few for good behavior.

yup.. case in point... havent seen one so called inconsistancy on this thread so far.

You should never apologize for posting the gospel truth!

Bible? Come on that old word of G-O-D... the new thing is the Koran! LOL! And boy, those muslims think that their version of God's inspiration is correct. They're like some of these fanatical Christian on the threads here. Muslims and Christian make strange bedfellows.

Well at least the Bible is a more update version of the Torah.

Oh by the way why are different version of God's word? There's the catholic Bible, the King James Bible, the Gidon Bible, what about the Mormon Bible?

Noah did not have one of every species onboard the Ark, that's not suggested in the Bible. Noah had one of every kind. For instance: Dog, wolves, coyotes are all one kind. Therefore, Noah would only have needed one mated couple from that kind. Same thing with elephants, bears, great cats, etc, etc. Within a kind, all members can breed with the other members. A Jack Russel and a Timber wolf (ignoring size differences) can produce babies.

Spider you don't believe in evolution so your arugment is null and void. LOL!

Hey 'rambill79',

I'm all confused?!?!?

The title?!?!?

You must have meant to name it 'bible inerrancy' !?!?!

How in god's name, and his bible could you possibly insinuate that there would be inconsistencies in the great book?!?!?

When you have a minute 'rambill', I'll share with you everything I've learned about 'bible inerrancy'. It is quite magical how anything and everything that doesn't make any sense at first, ends up, after a lot of apologies, to make unbelievable sense!!!

Inconsistencies in the bible!?!?! NO sir!!!

Apologies, yes.

Lots of apologies, but no inconsistencies.

I thought that this might need to be brought to the frontlet of eyes of mote.

Ejay, rambill79, and spidercmb –

Alright, here I go. But I probably won’t do this for much longer, as we all have better things to do. You incorrect, I did display inconsistencies inside the bible. The Christian god commands that:

“Thou shalt not commit murder” – (one of the 10 commandments)

***…but he also commanded stoning to death for working on the Sabbath – among other reasons***

(Numbers 15:35 - And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.)

(Exodous 31:14 14 - Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death)

Nubers 16:35 - And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men

***….Women for sleeping around, having an affair, or prostitution I can’t tell witch. My question…is the man blameless in this act?***

Deut 22:21 - Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Lev 21:9 - And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

Lev 24:23 - And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.

My particular favorite is when god “hardens pharaoh’s heart” and doesn’t let Moses’s people go, so god implements the 10 plagues. (Exodus 4:21) This includes killing all first born sons.

In essence, god made pharaoh refuse, so he could punish the Egyptian people, who had nothing to do with the pharaoh’s decision, even if god DIDN’T influence it. God manipulates man's free will, by hardening Pharaoh's heart, so that God can display his glory. Explain to me how this is moral….in any context.


Again, I could go on for a long time. Throughout the bible the Christian god commands horrible and unspeakable acts. Most of the 10 commandments call for a death sentence. I’m not sure what kind of moral code this is, but I don’t like it.


The typical argument is: “you are taking these out of context”. Then I challenge you to put them in a reasonable context that modern - moral society will accept. If anyone can explain the morality of what I have written so far, one would have to question their sense of right and wrong.

But, I guess I was trying to point out inconsistencies with the real, physical, world, not the mythological world of the bible.

Let me point out that I can’t argue against “Faith”. I won’t try. I can only argue with reason. As Mark Twain said, “Faith is believing what you know ain’t true.”



Spidercmb –

I always dislike arguing the Noah story, because I think it’s one of the most outlandish in the bible, but I did start argument, sooo…….

Genesis 6:15 states that Noah's ark was 300 cubits by 50 cubits by 30 cubits in size. We know that a cubit was approximately 18 inches, yielding a volume (if perfectly rectangular, the most voluminous possible shape of three unequal dimensions) of 1,518,750 cubic feet. Into this, you must fit two of each of the 30,000,000 species on earth, plus the food to keep all of them alive for a month. You argue one of each kind, so let’s say .0001 of that number was on the boat. So 300,000 x 2 (male\female). That’s still over ½ a million animals!

If you gathered a male and a female of one species every ten seconds, it would take about ten years to gather up 30 million of them. And mind you, you've got to go to Antarctica to get penguins, the Arctic to get polar bears, Asia to get tigers, Australia to get kangaroos, Africa to get gorillas, South America to get tapirs and agoutis, etc., and you have got to get them back with an adequate supply of their required food and put them in the Ark within ten seconds. Then when the flood's over, you've got to take another ten years to put them all back at the rate of a species every ten seconds.
But lets do the “one kind of every animal” argument, taking one minute (It takes me longer than a minute to properly load on to a ship – no less than 5minutes) to load each animal (.5 million of them) would take 11 years, non-stop, twenty four hours a day.


rambill79 –

I Kings 7:23 describes a "Sea" (or huge bowl) of cast metal that is circular in shape. It measures 10 cubits "from rim to rim" and 30 cubits around it. That implies that pi = 3. The circumference of a circle is equal to the diameter times pi, or 3.1415. Therefore the circumference of the "sea" had to have been 31.4 cubits if its diameter was ten cubits.

An incorrect number is an incorrect number, regardless of culture. The laws of mathematics are consistent across all cultures and times. If this is God's word, God should certainly have known that the circumference had to be more than 30 cubits if the "sea" was round and 10 cubits in diameter.

“Faith is believing what you know ain’t true.”
- Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens)


Also…spidercmd.

You are right. Although I’ve never heard the term, I guess I would be using a “shotgun argument”, by not using a great deal of scriptures.

The bible is huge! I don’t know how else to present my argument other than to pick out scriptures that support it. I would challenge you to present your argument any differently, without leaving out a great deal of scripture.


….whew…I think I may be done.

Xjarhead2004,

If I was a believer, I'd say your were the savior himself!!!

The Noah masterpiece alone: 1,5 million cubic feet and 30 million species!!! Takes a litteral ****load of a miracle for the thing not to sink under the load of crap!

Anyhow, thought I'd warn you, I already hear the 'bible inerrancy militia' coming. Brace yourself, it will be unbelievable apologetics fireworks. I mean, it's UNBELIEVABLE what these truth owners can come up with. Worth every cent of the show ticket !!!

Great work Xjarhead2004, and stick around!!!

The lucid silent majority of your country needs YOU!!!

New Living Translation Matthew 1:16 "Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is called the Messiah."

New Living Translation Luke 3:23 "Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his public ministry. Jesus was known as the son of Joseph. Joseph was the son of Heli."

So tell me who was Jesus' earthly Father? Was it Jacob or Heli? I would suggest a paternity test but that wouldn't work considering Jesus was concieved within a virgin female with the help of a ghost, a holy ghost at that.

Re-iterating a previous post that may have slipped by the attention of one whose fingers were being very busy while attached to something quite idle.

I think it's funny that you tell me what I believe. I believe in micro-evolution, which makes a single kind produce many different species. We have observed micro-evolution and micro-evolution is described in the Bible.

New Living Translation Exodus 20:13 “You must not murder."
New Living Translation Exodus 32:27-29 "Moses told them, 'This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: Each of you, take your swords and go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other. Kill everyone—even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.' The Levites obeyed Moses’ command, and about 3,000 people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, 'Today you have ordained yourselves for the service of the Lord, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Today you have earned a blessing.'"


New Living Translation I Samuel 15:1-2 "1 One day Samuel said to Saul, 'It was the Lord who told me to anoint you as king of his people, Israel. Now listen to this message from the Lord! This is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies has declared: I have decided to settle accounts with the nation of Amalek for opposing Israel when they came from Egypt. Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation—men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys.'

New Living Translation Numbers 15:32-36 "One day while the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they discovered a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. The people who found him doing this took him before Moses, Aaron, and the rest of the community. They held him in custody because they did not know what to do with him. Then the Lord said to Moses, 'The man must be put to death! The whole community must stone him outside the camp.' So the whole community took the man outside the camp and stoned him to death, just as the Lord had commanded Moses."

I'm sure I could go on and on with many more scriptures contradicting God's very commandment that he gave his people to not commit murder. I guess he forgot to put that little escape clause which states, "...unless it's in my name."