ERm, you didn't tell Dodo David about this did you?
Too late, I hear his belly growling, QUICK!
Hide the cats!

here is an off the wall idea, since we know that Adam's son married a woman from the Land of Nod, clearly separate from where Adam was established,

from the Torah, we know that God used the Hebrew People as His example in the Scriptures to show His care for their Lineage.

what if the Adam story, was also the Story of the People of Nod, the People from elsewhere mentioned in that vicinity of Adam. what if every Race began with their own Adam?

this verse gives clear indication where Adam and his immediate Family lived was different than from the Land of Nod, which indicates separate people from (not lineage) Adam and his Lineage leading to the Messiah:

Genesis 4:16
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
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East of Eden seems like totally different establishment than Eden and Adam's Family.

look at the following verses after verse 16:

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
^
the BEGATS, which this is now Adam's Lineage mixing with NEW PEOPLE and becoming a part of the Messiah's Lineage.

God always blends the Peoples and makes them ONE.

But wait?
Adam was the first.
The Garden of eden was the pristine place God put Adam.
Are you saying other people existed in Nod?
People who were not God's creation?
Doesn't that go against the foundation of your religion?

The biblical Nod was a place of anguished exile rather than of peaceful sleep.
Did the people of Nod have their own concepts of God?
If Adam was banished from Eden and went to Nod, did his lineage come from heathens?

Maybe I am understanding what you are writing wrong?
Seems to me, what yer preachin doesn't align with what I was taught?
It certainly doesn't explain the reality I experience.

You know what they call that?
Speculative Fiction, specifically, Fantasy.
If you can take those words you hold so dear and twist them to mean anything you want, why can't others, throughout history?
To find your explanation invalid, invalidates all previous explanations.
Since your explanation causes doubt (the opposite of faith) how is it reinforcing your stance? How is it valid and this makes all other explanations invalid.

Since you found a need to explain with a scenario outside religious cannon, you are yourself, denying your own belief.
The fact you can't see that is evident of the strength of your delusion.
I hope you find the clarity you seek but don't be surprised when reality doesn't fit your delusions.

i am specifically saying that the people of NOD are not from Adam and Eve.

those people were in existence when Adam was created.
those people are the people the Torah reveals that the very first words we read in the Torah/Book of Genesis is claiming a Creation of People exist way before Adam.

and no one knows how long a day in the Adam Creation seriously was when examples are given that time can equal 1 day = 1,000 years in God's timing. and that 1,000 years is not specific, it could mean 1 day = hundred thousand years during Adam's Creation.

but nonetheless, the People from Land of Nod were already in existence.

and then God sends Adam's son Cain to go and mix the two peoples (and no doubt many more peoples as Genesis indicates).

something else, by way of mentioning the Lineage of Adam like so, it puts the SpotLight on several things:

1. Adam/Eve are to die for eating the Tree of knowledge but God says, you're human and that is what humans do, make mistakes.

2. Adam's and Eve's 2nd Son, Cain, commits first Murder (his brother Abel) and God tells him to go to another people and began populating the Earth.


HOWEVER:

both Adam/Eve and later Cain were removed from the place they first called home by disobeying, but God DID NOT KILL THEM/i].
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to me, that is clearly an indicator that God IS NOT this Murdering Angry Killing Deity after all. that idealism had to come from someone EXTREMELY TWISTED!!

If people existed before Adam and God made the people, what is the significance of Adam except to punish people?
You are saying Adam was not the first man.
What was the point?
You say Adam's entire existence was to sire the messiah.
Then you are saying God, who created Adam and gave him dominion over the Earth was a second thought?
You are also saying the people of Nod were worthy of Adam's seed.
If they were worthy, why not just put one of them in the garden and go from there?

Not only does the religion not make sense, your assumptions don't either.
No matter how I look at it, it makes no sense.
If I were to copy YOUR words and show them to any clergy, what do you think they would tell me?

BUT...
I acknowledge you might have your own religion (because I do).
I have no problem with that.
My problem is in the fact it makes no sense.
The same problem I have with any established religion.

You do what all others do.
You read things and draw your own conclusions and twist it so it has meaning for you.
Typical of all religions.

When someone is deluded, they take reality and twist it so it conforms to their expectations, in their mind.
The stress and conflict arises when the real reality breaks the delusion.
Then, the deluded fight to keep their delusions instead of accepting reality as it actually is.
Reality doesn't care what you think, it just is.
It remains reality whether you accept it or not.

And apparently Eve wasn't the first woman, because Lilith came first. And the all powerful creator couldn't make her stay with adam, because she refused to.

Who was god talking to when it said" let us go down to . . . . " And where from was it said ?

Who is "us" ? Is god mates with the other breeder down the road with the serpent people ? Or gambling with lucifer or satan with the well being of the Adam's family ?

If you go down in the woods today
You're sure of a big surprise
If you go down in the woods today
You'd better go in disguise!

For every bear that ever there was
Will gather there for certain
Because today's the day the
Teddy Bears have their picnic

Picnic time for Teddy Bears
The little Teddy Bears are having
A lovely time today
Watch them, catch them unawares
And see them picnic on their holiday

See them gaily gad about
They love to play and shout
They never have any cares
At six o'clock their Mommies and Daddies
Will take them home to bed
Because they're tired little Teddy Bears


Every Teddy Bear who's been good
Is sure of a treat today
There's lots of marvelous things to eat
And wonderful games to play

Beneath the trees where nobody sees
They'll hide and seek as long as they please
'Cause that's the way the
Teddy Bears have their picnic

Picnic time for Teddy Bears
The little Teddy Bears are having
A lovely time today
Watch them, catch them unawares
And see them picnic on their holiday

See them gaily gad about
They love to play and shout
They never have any cares
At six o'clock their Mommies and Daddies
Will take them home to bed
Because they're tired little Teddy Bears
Because they're tired little Teddy Bears

Teddy bears picnic, a song by Anne Murray

Clear evidence of tired Teddy Bears from the land of nod
The cats allow this, as they like to polish of the leftovers of the picnic
Also they have a great empathy for any creature, that likes a bit of a snooze

God does exist

Tom,

i've already mentioned this 4 times that Adam is the FIRST PERSON of the Messiah Lineage and is used as a comparison to the Messiah (one being made as human and one being God in human form).

that is all!!

notbeold,

Eve is the first woman of the Messiah Lineage and mentioned because of.

but by the time Adam's children were old enough to have their own Families, it's clear other people and Families we cohabitating for Adam's son to be able to find a wife and find her NEARBY.

but Eden and Nod are 2 separate places with 2 separate inhabitants.

notbeold,


there are :

“The Divine Council in the Hebrew Bible”
Chapter 2 of:
VISIONS OF THE DIVINE COUNCIL IN THE HEBREW BIBLE


there established Councils God set up. and when God makes a decision, He goes to these Councils and discusses options (it's God showing He is fair).

there are councils for judgement, war, civil matters, etc...

so when God decided to make Adam, he said to the COUNCIL MEMBERS, "Let Us" make man in OUR IMAGE:

what IMAGE?

if the Angels can impregnate human women then clearly Angels and humans are made and look similar, which then, we all look similar to God since we are all made ultimately in His IMAGE!!

Tom,

it only appears that i am creating my own belief system, but, i am using the Torah-Aramaic 100% and not the KJV Bible.

therefore, since the King james Bible is SKEWED as i revealed, it's hard for you to follow because i am using the manuscripts not only written 3500 years BEFORE the kjv, but what is states is absolute fact compared to the kjv.

so, it only looks like i am on my own when it's only because i am using the correct version of Scripture and the others ARE NOT!!

Even now, more than four centuries after its publication, the King James Bible (a.k.a. the King James Version, or simply the Authorized Version) remains the most famous Bible translation in history—and one of the most printed books ever.

More than 450 translations into English have been written. The New Revised Standard Version is the version most commonly preferred by biblical scholars.

The New American Standard Bible (NASB) was first published in 1963, with the most recent edition published in 1995. It holds the reputation for being the “most accurate” Bible translation in English.

The 1611 KJV is the first authorized version of the Bible translated for the original Hebrew, Koine Greek and Aramaic.

List of Bibles

Early Partial

Aldhelm
Bede
Psalters (12 in total), including the Vespasian Psalter and Eadwine Psalter
King Alfred
Aldred the Scribe
Farman
Ælfric
Wessex Gospels
Caedmon manuscript
The Ormulum
Book of Revelation
Rolle
West Midland Psalms
Geoffrey Chaucer, "The Parson's Tale", in The Canterbury Tales
A Fourteenth Century Biblical Version: Consisting of a Prologue and Parts of the New Testament
Life of Soul
Nicholas Love, OCart, The Mirror of the Blessed Life of Jesus Christ
William Caxton

Partial

Aramaic English New Testament
Bible in Worldwide English
Messianic Aleph Tav Scriptures
Brenton's English Translation of the Septuagint
The Common Edition New Testament
Confraternity Bible
Cotton Patch Series
The Emphatic Diaglott
Five Pauline Epistles, A New Translation
God's New Covenant: A New Testament Translation
Good As New: A Radical Retelling of the Scriptures (GAN)
Grail Psalms
The Kingdom New Testament: A Contemporary Translation
Lexham English Bible
The Living Oracles
James Moffatt's 'The New Testament, A New Translation'
Helen Barrett Montgomery, Centenary Translation of the New Testament
A New New Testament: A Bible for the Twenty-first Century Combining Traditional and Newly Discovered Texts
The New Testament translated by Richmond Lattimore
The Open English Bible
Phillips New Testament in Modern English
Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible (JST)
Third Millennium Bible (The New Authorized Version)
Twentieth Century New Testament
The Unvarnished New Testament
World English Bible and World Messianic Bible
Wuest Expanded Translation

Complete Bibles

American Standard Version
Amplified Bible
An American Translation (1936)
An American Translation (1976)
Berkeley Version
The Bible in Living English
Bishops' Bible
Children's King James Version
Christian Community Bible, English version
Christian Standard Bible
Clear Word Bible
Common English Bible
Complete Jewish Bible
Contemporary English Version
Concordant Literal Version
Coverdale Bible
Darby Bible
Divine Name King James Bible
Douay–Rheims Bible
Douay-Rheims Bible (Challoner Revision)
Easy-to-Read Version
Emphasized Bible
English Standard Version
Evangelical Heritage Version
Ferrar Fenton Bible
Geneva Bible
God's Word
Good News Bible
Great Bible
The Hebrew Bible: A Translation with Commentary
Holman Christian Standard Bible
International Standard Version
Jerusalem Bible
Jewish Publication Society of America Version Tanakh
Judaica Press Tanakh
Julia E. Smith Parker Translation
King James Version
Knox Bible
Lamsa Bible
A Literal Translation of the Bible
Leeser Bible, Tanakh (Old Testament)
The Living Bible
The Living Torah and The Living Nach. Tanakh
Matthew's Bible
The Message
Modern English Version
Modern Language Bible
Moffatt, New Translation
Names of God Bible
New American Bible
New American Bible Revised Edition
New American Standard Bible
New Century Version
New English Bible
New English Translation (NET Bible)
New International Reader's Version
New International Version Inclusive Language Edition
New International Version
New Jerusalem Bible
New Jewish Publication Society of America Version. Tanakh
New King James Version
New Life Version
New Living Translation
New Revised Standard Version
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
The Orthodox Jewish Bible
The Orthodox Study Bible
Quaker Bible
Recovery Version of the Bible
Revised Version
Revised Standard Version
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Revised Standard Version - Second Catholic Edition
Revised English Bible
The Scriptures
Simple English Bible
The Story Bible
Taverner's Bible
Thomson's Translation
Today's New International Version
Third Millennium Bible
Tree of Life Bible
Tyndale Bible
The Voice Bible
Webster's Revision
Westminster Version of Sacred Scripture
World English Bible
Wycliffe's Bible (1388)
Young's Literal Translation
Scofield Reference Bible

Sourcehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations

The Hebrew Bible, which is also called the Tanakh or sometimes the Mikra, is the canonical collection of Hebrew scriptures. These texts are almost exclusively in Biblical Hebrew, except for some Biblical Aramaic passages in the books of Daniel and Ezra. The Hebrew Bible is also the textual source for the Christian Old Testament. The form of this text that is authoritative for Rabbinic Judaism is known as the Masoretic Text (MT) and it consists of 24 books, while the translations divide essentially the same material into 39 books for the Protestant Bible.
Modern scholars seeking to understand the history of the Hebrew Bible use a range of sources, in addition to the Masoretic Text. These sources include early Greek (Septuagint) and Syriac (Peshitta) translations, the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Dead Sea Scrolls and quotations from rabbinic manuscripts.
~/~ which of the three commonly known versions (Septuagint, Masoretic Text, Samaritan Pentateuch) is closest to the Urtext is not fully determined.

The Tanakh consists of twenty-four books: it counts as one book each Samuel, Kings, Chronicles and Ezra–Nehemiah and counts the Twelve Minor Prophets (תרי עשר‎) as a single book.

The Torah (תּוֹרָה, literally "teaching"), also known as the Pentateuch, or as the "Five Books of Moses"

Nevi'im (נְבִיאִים‎ Nəḇî'îm, "Prophets") is the second main division of the Tanakh, between the Torah and Ketuvim.

Ketuvim (כְּתוּבִים‎, "Writings") consists of eleven books


The Torah is only part of the Tanakh, a small part.
When you base your entire belief system on a partial source the belief system is SKEWED

I read, write and speak English.
It is only normal that I were exposed only to English translations.
If the English translations were so off in their accountings, don't you think your God would have inspired someone to make the corrections? I mean it is his book and very important right?

Or...is it?

God is in the council?
Councils are notoriously bad, and Leeds City Council, is even seen as notoriously bad amongst other councils
In this case, isn't that like a committee?
Omg, I hate committees and there petty inflated beaurocracy and clipboards

That's all I can think of
God chilling with some other unknowns
No doubt his brethren
And saying look, this war is okay, that 1 is not, no women in the snooker room
Now let's vote on Judas, put the balls in the bag
Never mind those in the land of nod, they are not of my lineage, I'm gonna make a dude, to have kids to mate with them, so a few thousand years from now, our young un , also known as the messiah, will be born, and then die for their sins, but I'm not a Jewish God, but, let's be mysterious, tell a Jewish dude, about this, in a Jewish language, get them to write it in a Jewish holy book, and then tell them, I'm not Jewish, because I've started a new religion, because I'm a new god
Is that clear?.
ERM, not really God
But that spliff down . ( cue thunderbolt) all those in favor say aye
Aye

If God existed we would not be asking this question.

It is an irrefutable geological fact that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. What was God doing for billions of years before he made humans? Everyone has the right to believe what they like and everyone else has the right to find it ridiculous.

Science as an idealism and institution is barely less than 2,000 years old. and somehow through the passing from generation to generation we covered the GAP and can logically claim the Earth is 4.6 Billion years old by our own means?

so far, uranium, electronically, radioactively, carbon dating methods have all been proven to be extremely flawed, by process of, removing unstable condition test samples and placing them in a stable lab environment where they will begin to immediately adapt and skews the Data every time.

so come at me again with some literal facts and not what some x-man suffering from psychological disorders hidden in the confides of science attempts to reason and claim!!

Tom,

as you mentioned about the Hebrew Bible being in 3 Sections...you are correct...i say the Torah because that is the Genesis - Deuteronomy of the Hebrew Bible:

here i copied pasted what portion of the Hebrew Bible i am in and show you.



The Complete Hebrew Bible with Rashi Commentary
Search Tanach

Tanakh - The Hebrew Bible Torah - The Pentateuch
Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 3

what about Judas, R2d2?

you mean that Yeshua told him He forgave Judas, but Judas being full of the Adversary committed Suicide and was unable to accept he was forgiven.