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That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. Believing that stuff in modern day is just plain silly but the people that made it up in the first place were true geniuses and given the time frame and how much more susceptible it was to corruption and conspiracy; I have a theory that the world leaders of the time likely banded together to create religion as a way of controlling the people. With the governing bodies and religion you've got the carrot and the stick and when the carrot is backing up the stick by enforcing all the same rules wanted by the stick then you've got a firm stranglehold on the masses and few will fight against it. I know that religion has been around for longer than civilized society but the governing bodies found a way to mold and control it to their benefit and to this day people are still slaves to it's influence. Right down to the stupidest laws/practices like circumcision and monogamy. Ya, baby dick mutilation, thx Jews! Edit: Ya I know psychology in it's current form didn't even exist until the current century but when I speak of it's influence on the bible, I don't mean it in it's official form but only in what people learned in those times of how to control the people. The phrase Neuro-linguistic programming comes to mind but I can't think of an example at current as to how it applies. Well, as I implied in my earlier post, most of the stories in the OT were built upon the framework of older myths. And, many of the stories in the NT were built upon stories from the OT. Newer myths built upon previous myths. That said, I agree with you as far as the genius of some of the creators of these stories. A good example of this would be the Yahwists coming up with the idea that it was the PEOPLES' fault if Yahweh didn't save them from another nation. (You know:"Yahweh CHOSE not to save you, because you are all a bunch of shitheads.") Previously, it was pretty much accepted that if your nation got thumped on by another nation, then their gods were stronger than yours. The Yahwists' stroke of genius not only played upon peoples' inner sense of guilt, but also guaranteed that, no matter what happened, it wasn't Yahweh's fault. Therefore, he would continue to be worshiped. And, they would cash in. Speaking of cashing in: In addition to control, another reason for the storytellers to come up with these stories is that they figured out that, while getting a real job is hard, if they could spin some good stories about god(s), the rest of their fellow citizens would pay them for it! This is readily apparent when you read the OT. There are many places where the writers depict Yahweh as instructing the common people to give the priests lots of goodies. Also..."baby dick mutilation." Haha! (Ironically enough, even THAT likely came, not from God, but from the Egyptians.) That doesn't surprise me. The Egyptians were still on the barbaric side when it came to the treatment of the people. It still sickens me that people still practice it in this day and age though. We got rid of electro shock therapy because it was barbaric but we keep around a barbaric tradition like that, that's been around for 100's years longer. But ya, much of the OT had very human traits in it. I think that's why they made the NT, to weed out some of the errors that would make people go "hey... wait a minute...". On top of the parts that involve giving the priests 'goodies' there was the stoning of homosexuals. Likely a laundry-list of other things that were clearly human agendas as well. |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. |
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That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. Believing that stuff in modern day is just plain silly but the people that made it up in the first place were true geniuses and given the time frame and how much more susceptible it was to corruption and conspiracy; I have a theory that the world leaders of the time likely banded together to create religion as a way of controlling the people. With the governing bodies and religion you've got the carrot and the stick and when the carrot is backing up the stick by enforcing all the same rules wanted by the stick then you've got a firm stranglehold on the masses and few will fight against it. I know that religion has been around for longer than civilized society but the governing bodies found a way to mold and control it to their benefit and to this day people are still slaves to it's influence. Right down to the stupidest laws/practices like circumcision and monogamy. Ya, baby dick mutilation, thx Jews! Edit: Ya I know psychology in it's current form didn't even exist until the current century but when I speak of it's influence on the bible, I don't mean it in it's official form but only in what people learned in those times of how to control the people. The phrase Neuro-linguistic programming comes to mind but I can't think of an example at current as to how it applies. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. How psychological do you think they were in the BC era? And do you really think "fairy tales" were in existence at that time in mankind's history? Or back to my previous question, how "intelligent" on this kind of level do you feel people in the BC era were? And most these people that are included in the scriptures, or well the ones that wrote the things included in the scriptures didn't personally know one another. |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. True, but within the context of the discussion, it certainly seems an obvious implication. After all, he's arguing against my assertion that God is absent, like a deadbeat dad. And, if he is saying that he sees God, and talks to him, but God doesn't answer him back...he is once again painting a picture of a God who is a dick. |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. Or maybe it was ment in the context of say you and your woman separate. You miss her, you "see" her everywhere you look. Maybe when you pass a special place, maybe see an outfit like the one(s) she loves, ect. |
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That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. Believing that stuff in modern day is just plain silly but the people that made it up in the first place were true geniuses and given the time frame and how much more susceptible it was to corruption and conspiracy; I have a theory that the world leaders of the time likely banded together to create religion as a way of controlling the people. With the governing bodies and religion you've got the carrot and the stick and when the carrot is backing up the stick by enforcing all the same rules wanted by the stick then you've got a firm stranglehold on the masses and few will fight against it. I know that religion has been around for longer than civilized society but the governing bodies found a way to mold and control it to their benefit and to this day people are still slaves to it's influence. Right down to the stupidest laws/practices like circumcision and monogamy. Ya, baby dick mutilation, thx Jews! Edit: Ya I know psychology in it's current form didn't even exist until the current century but when I speak of it's influence on the bible, I don't mean it in it's official form but only in what people learned in those times of how to control the people. The phrase Neuro-linguistic programming comes to mind but I can't think of an example at current as to how it applies. Well, as I implied in my earlier post, most of the stories in the OT were built upon the framework of older myths. And, many of the stories in the NT were built upon stories from the OT. Newer myths built upon previous myths. That said, I agree with you as far as the genius of some of the creators of these stories. A good example of this would be the Yahwists coming up with the idea that it was the PEOPLES' fault if Yahweh didn't save them from another nation. (You know:"Yahweh CHOSE not to save you, because you are all a bunch of shitheads.") Previously, it was pretty much accepted that if your nation got thumped on by another nation, then their gods were stronger than yours. The Yahwists' stroke of genius not only played upon peoples' inner sense of guilt, but also guaranteed that, no matter what happened, it wasn't Yahweh's fault. Therefore, he would continue to be worshiped. And, they would cash in. Speaking of cashing in: In addition to control, another reason for the storytellers to come up with these stories is that they figured out that, while getting a real job is hard, if they could spin some good stories about god(s), the rest of their fellow citizens would pay them for it! This is readily apparent when you read the OT. There are many places where the writers depict Yahweh as instructing the common people to give the priests lots of goodies. Also..."baby dick mutilation." Haha! (Ironically enough, even THAT likely came, not from God, but from the Egyptians.) That doesn't surprise me. The Egyptians were still on the barbaric side when it came to the treatment of the people. It still sickens me that people still practice it in this day and age though. We got rid of electro shock therapy because it was barbaric but we keep around a barbaric tradition like that, that's been around for 100's years longer. But ya, much of the OT had very human traits in it. I think that's why they made the NT, to weed out some of the errors that would make people go "hey... wait a minute...". On top of the parts that involve giving the priests 'goodies' there was the stoning of homosexuals. Likely a laundry-list of other things that were clearly human agendas as well. I agree totally about circumcision. It's one of many things that I can hardly believe has managed to hang on. As for the NT, you could be right about that. Another possibility that I have seen advanced is that the Romans, likely with Josephus' help, created Christianity as a means to quell the unrest among the messianic-minded Jews of the First Century by replacing their envisioned warrior messiah with a more pacifist-minded one. |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. Or maybe it was ment in the context of say you and your woman separate. You miss her, you "see" her everywhere you look. Maybe when you pass a special place, maybe see an outfit like the one(s) she loves, ect. So, you're admitting that God is absent, then. That's what I said in the first place. |
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That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. Believing that stuff in modern day is just plain silly but the people that made it up in the first place were true geniuses and given the time frame and how much more susceptible it was to corruption and conspiracy; I have a theory that the world leaders of the time likely banded together to create religion as a way of controlling the people. With the governing bodies and religion you've got the carrot and the stick and when the carrot is backing up the stick by enforcing all the same rules wanted by the stick then you've got a firm stranglehold on the masses and few will fight against it. I know that religion has been around for longer than civilized society but the governing bodies found a way to mold and control it to their benefit and to this day people are still slaves to it's influence. Right down to the stupidest laws/practices like circumcision and monogamy. Ya, baby dick mutilation, thx Jews! Edit: Ya I know psychology in it's current form didn't even exist until the current century but when I speak of it's influence on the bible, I don't mean it in it's official form but only in what people learned in those times of how to control the people. The phrase Neuro-linguistic programming comes to mind but I can't think of an example at current as to how it applies. Well, as I implied in my earlier post, most of the stories in the OT were built upon the framework of older myths. And, many of the stories in the NT were built upon stories from the OT. Newer myths built upon previous myths. That said, I agree with you as far as the genius of some of the creators of these stories. A good example of this would be the Yahwists coming up with the idea that it was the PEOPLES' fault if Yahweh didn't save them from another nation. (You know:"Yahweh CHOSE not to save you, because you are all a bunch of shitheads.") Previously, it was pretty much accepted that if your nation got thumped on by another nation, then their gods were stronger than yours. The Yahwists' stroke of genius not only played upon peoples' inner sense of guilt, but also guaranteed that, no matter what happened, it wasn't Yahweh's fault. Therefore, he would continue to be worshiped. And, they would cash in. Speaking of cashing in: In addition to control, another reason for the storytellers to come up with these stories is that they figured out that, while getting a real job is hard, if they could spin some good stories about god(s), the rest of their fellow citizens would pay them for it! This is readily apparent when you read the OT. There are many places where the writers depict Yahweh as instructing the common people to give the priests lots of goodies. Also..."baby dick mutilation." Haha! (Ironically enough, even THAT likely came, not from God, but from the Egyptians.) That doesn't surprise me. The Egyptians were still on the barbaric side when it came to the treatment of the people. It still sickens me that people still practice it in this day and age though. We got rid of electro shock therapy because it was barbaric but we keep around a barbaric tradition like that, that's been around for 100's years longer. But ya, much of the OT had very human traits in it. I think that's why they made the NT, to weed out some of the errors that would make people go "hey... wait a minute...". On top of the parts that involve giving the priests 'goodies' there was the stoning of homosexuals. Likely a laundry-list of other things that were clearly human agendas as well. I agree totally about circumcision. It's one of many things that I can hardly believe has managed to hang on. As for the NT, you could be right about that. Another possibility that I have seen advanced is that the Romans, likely with Josephus' help, created Christianity as a means to quell the unrest among the messianic-minded Jews of the First Century by replacing their envisioned warrior messiah with a more pacifist-minded one. "Warrior Messiah" with a more "pacifist-minded" one? God is just as passive today as he was 2000 years ago. The only difference is you don't hear about the judgements on people for their actions per say. As we are no longer judged on Earth by our fellow brother. It is God that will carry it out in one final judgement. The only reward for sin is death and death is death my friend. Doesn't matter if it happens here and now, or some time in the future. Jesus is a warrior, he is our "God" that has absolute power and control over us as we are merely one of his creations. A creation he so generously thinks of us as children, but on this level the bottom dollar we are but a creation of his and he can and will do as he pleases... for again, he is God. |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. Or maybe it was ment in the context of say you and your woman separate. You miss her, you "see" her everywhere you look. Maybe when you pass a special place, maybe see an outfit like the one(s) she loves, ect. So, you're admitting that God is absent, then. That's what I said in the first place. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and the Holy Spirit dwelleth within? No God can't be seen with these physical eyes in that literal of a sense. But doesn't mean he's absent... you can't see the oxygen in the air with your own bare eyes, does that mean it's absent? |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. True, but within the context of the discussion, it certainly seems an obvious implication. After all, he's arguing against my assertion that God is absent, like a deadbeat dad. And, if he is saying that he sees God, and talks to him, but God doesn't answer him back...he is once again painting a picture of a God who is a dick. He answers back every day :) |
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That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. Believing that stuff in modern day is just plain silly but the people that made it up in the first place were true geniuses and given the time frame and how much more susceptible it was to corruption and conspiracy; I have a theory that the world leaders of the time likely banded together to create religion as a way of controlling the people. With the governing bodies and religion you've got the carrot and the stick and when the carrot is backing up the stick by enforcing all the same rules wanted by the stick then you've got a firm stranglehold on the masses and few will fight against it. I know that religion has been around for longer than civilized society but the governing bodies found a way to mold and control it to their benefit and to this day people are still slaves to it's influence. Right down to the stupidest laws/practices like circumcision and monogamy. Ya, baby dick mutilation, thx Jews! Edit: Ya I know psychology in it's current form didn't even exist until the current century but when I speak of it's influence on the bible, I don't mean it in it's official form but only in what people learned in those times of how to control the people. The phrase Neuro-linguistic programming comes to mind but I can't think of an example at current as to how it applies. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. How psychological do you think they were in the BC era? And do you really think "fairy tales" were in existence at that time in mankind's history? Or back to my previous question, how "intelligent" on this kind of level do you feel people in the BC era were? And most these people that are included in the scriptures, or well the ones that wrote the things included in the scriptures didn't personally know one another. How intelligent were the people in the BC era, you ask? Well, here we are thousands of years later, with all of our advances, and we still don't know for certain how the Egyptians built the pyramids. So, they certainly weren't morons. Also, many of the laws found in the Mosaic Law, which many apologists erroneously believe reflect God-given wisdom and morality so far advanced of Israel's neighbors, are found in the older Hammurabi's Code and Principles of Maat. And, yes, the fairy tales found in the OT did exist prior to its writing. They are found in the much older Mesopotamian and/or Egyptian myths. The flood, the talking snake misleading a woman to disobey god(s), a god confusing the languages, and more... |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. Or maybe it was ment in the context of say you and your woman separate. You miss her, you "see" her everywhere you look. Maybe when you pass a special place, maybe see an outfit like the one(s) she loves, ect. So, you're admitting that God is absent, then. That's what I said in the first place. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and the Holy Spirit dwelleth within? No God can't be seen with these physical eyes in that literal of a sense. But doesn't mean he's absent... you can't see the oxygen in the air with your own bare eyes, does that mean it's absent? You can't see the oxygen, but oxygen can be measured and proven to be present. Also, oxygen is not a conscious entity, whose defenders claim loves us all, yet refuses to speak to us. |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. True, but within the context of the discussion, it certainly seems an obvious implication. After all, he's arguing against my assertion that God is absent, like a deadbeat dad. And, if he is saying that he sees God, and talks to him, but God doesn't answer him back...he is once again painting a picture of a God who is a dick. He answers back every day :) There you have it. I stand by my previous statement. The God you describe is a dick, then. For, vast numbers of people who sincerely cry out to him every day never receive an answer. I guess he just likes you better. |
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That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. Believing that stuff in modern day is just plain silly but the people that made it up in the first place were true geniuses and given the time frame and how much more susceptible it was to corruption and conspiracy; I have a theory that the world leaders of the time likely banded together to create religion as a way of controlling the people. With the governing bodies and religion you've got the carrot and the stick and when the carrot is backing up the stick by enforcing all the same rules wanted by the stick then you've got a firm stranglehold on the masses and few will fight against it. I know that religion has been around for longer than civilized society but the governing bodies found a way to mold and control it to their benefit and to this day people are still slaves to it's influence. Right down to the stupidest laws/practices like circumcision and monogamy. Ya, baby dick mutilation, thx Jews! Edit: Ya I know psychology in it's current form didn't even exist until the current century but when I speak of it's influence on the bible, I don't mean it in it's official form but only in what people learned in those times of how to control the people. The phrase Neuro-linguistic programming comes to mind but I can't think of an example at current as to how it applies. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. How psychological do you think they were in the BC era? And do you really think "fairy tales" were in existence at that time in mankind's history? Or back to my previous question, how "intelligent" on this kind of level do you feel people in the BC era were? And most these people that are included in the scriptures, or well the ones that wrote the things included in the scriptures didn't personally know one another. How intelligent were the people in the BC era, you ask? Well, here we are thousands of years later, with all of our advances, and we still don't know for certain how the Egyptians built the pyramids. So, they certainly weren't morons. Also, many of the laws found in the Mosaic Law, which many apologists erroneously believe reflect God-given wisdom and morality so far advanced of Israel's neighbors, are found in the older Hammurabi's Code and Principles of Maat. And, yes, the fairy tales found in the OT did exist prior to its writing. They are found in the much older Mesopotamian and/or Egyptian myths. The flood, the talking snake misleading a woman to disobey god(s), a god confusing the languages, and more... The flood, the talking snake misleading a woman to disobey god(s), a god confusing the languages, and more.. There is much evidence of a world wide flood my friend. http://www.icr.org/geological-strata/ And there's many other organizations that support a world wife flood as well. |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. True, but within the context of the discussion, it certainly seems an obvious implication. After all, he's arguing against my assertion that God is absent, like a deadbeat dad. And, if he is saying that he sees God, and talks to him, but God doesn't answer him back...he is once again painting a picture of a God who is a dick. He answers back every day :) There you have it. I stand by my previous statement. The God you describe is a dick, then. For, vast numbers of people who sincerely cry out to him every day never receive an answer. I guess he just likes you better. Maybe he has? Maybe just not the way you wanted it or expected it too be answered? |
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That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. Believing that stuff in modern day is just plain silly but the people that made it up in the first place were true geniuses and given the time frame and how much more susceptible it was to corruption and conspiracy; I have a theory that the world leaders of the time likely banded together to create religion as a way of controlling the people. With the governing bodies and religion you've got the carrot and the stick and when the carrot is backing up the stick by enforcing all the same rules wanted by the stick then you've got a firm stranglehold on the masses and few will fight against it. I know that religion has been around for longer than civilized society but the governing bodies found a way to mold and control it to their benefit and to this day people are still slaves to it's influence. Right down to the stupidest laws/practices like circumcision and monogamy. Ya, baby dick mutilation, thx Jews! Edit: Ya I know psychology in it's current form didn't even exist until the current century but when I speak of it's influence on the bible, I don't mean it in it's official form but only in what people learned in those times of how to control the people. The phrase Neuro-linguistic programming comes to mind but I can't think of an example at current as to how it applies. Well, as I implied in my earlier post, most of the stories in the OT were built upon the framework of older myths. And, many of the stories in the NT were built upon stories from the OT. Newer myths built upon previous myths. That said, I agree with you as far as the genius of some of the creators of these stories. A good example of this would be the Yahwists coming up with the idea that it was the PEOPLES' fault if Yahweh didn't save them from another nation. (You know:"Yahweh CHOSE not to save you, because you are all a bunch of shitheads.") Previously, it was pretty much accepted that if your nation got thumped on by another nation, then their gods were stronger than yours. The Yahwists' stroke of genius not only played upon peoples' inner sense of guilt, but also guaranteed that, no matter what happened, it wasn't Yahweh's fault. Therefore, he would continue to be worshiped. And, they would cash in. Speaking of cashing in: In addition to control, another reason for the storytellers to come up with these stories is that they figured out that, while getting a real job is hard, if they could spin some good stories about god(s), the rest of their fellow citizens would pay them for it! This is readily apparent when you read the OT. There are many places where the writers depict Yahweh as instructing the common people to give the priests lots of goodies. Also..."baby dick mutilation." Haha! (Ironically enough, even THAT likely came, not from God, but from the Egyptians.) That doesn't surprise me. The Egyptians were still on the barbaric side when it came to the treatment of the people. It still sickens me that people still practice it in this day and age though. We got rid of electro shock therapy because it was barbaric but we keep around a barbaric tradition like that, that's been around for 100's years longer. But ya, much of the OT had very human traits in it. I think that's why they made the NT, to weed out some of the errors that would make people go "hey... wait a minute...". On top of the parts that involve giving the priests 'goodies' there was the stoning of homosexuals. Likely a laundry-list of other things that were clearly human agendas as well. I agree totally about circumcision. It's one of many things that I can hardly believe has managed to hang on. As for the NT, you could be right about that. Another possibility that I have seen advanced is that the Romans, likely with Josephus' help, created Christianity as a means to quell the unrest among the messianic-minded Jews of the First Century by replacing their envisioned warrior messiah with a more pacifist-minded one. "Warrior Messiah" with a more "pacifist-minded" one? God is just as passive today as he was 2000 years ago. The only difference is you don't hear about the judgements on people for their actions per say. As we are no longer judged on Earth by our fellow brother. It is God that will carry it out in one final judgement. The only reward for sin is death and death is death my friend. Doesn't matter if it happens here and now, or some time in the future. Jesus is a warrior, he is our "God" that has absolute power and control over us as we are merely one of his creations. A creation he so generously thinks of us as children, but on this level the bottom dollar we are but a creation of his and he can and will do as he pleases... for again, he is God. Remember to keep things in context. :) In the First Century, there was much unrest in the region, and many Jews were looking for a warrior-messiah to come and lead them to victory over the hated Romans. Don't take my word for it, research the time-period. 70 CE, in particular, was a real fun time for everyone in the area. So, the Romans did have the motivation, at least, to attempt to introduce a new religion, that would possibly replace Judaism, that featured a new version of their messiah; a meek and mild-tempered one. I'm not saying that that is what happened. I don't know. I'm just saying that the idea makes perfect sense, within the historical context. |
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You frightened of God or something? God has never tried to scare/frighten me, sorry for your unfortunates :(. You're like a beaten housewife that just denies or makes excuses for anything and everything bad that her husband does. You even ignore how your own words contradict you. God doesn't send us to hell for not believing, he just kills us but you somehow see nothing wrong with that. It's worship him and live forever but if you don't then you're dead; you get to embrace that eternal nothingness that you fear so much if you don't believe in and worship him. Bit of irony there really; I mean the way that even within the religion itself it blends reality and fantasy and it does it so great. Step into the rabbit hole Alice, all will be well.. That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. His absence? I see and talk too God every day, sorry you miss out my friend. Oh, that's okay. No need to be sorry. If he's anywhere near as loquacious, boorish, and repetitive in person as he is in the OT, I'd rather not talk to him anyway. Wait a minute... On second thought, please tell him that I have some questions I'd really like to ask him, if he wouldn't mind stopping by my place for a bit. Thanks. Also, allow me to quote something I said a couple of pages back that's apropos here: Yeah, though I haven't read the entire thread, I did read a lot of the earliest posts. That's the way it generally goes. When you apply logic to these stories, they fall apart. So, anyone trying to defend them generally ends up either: 1.As you said, tossing any type of definable, objective evidence out the window, and falling back totally on faith. 2. Claiming that God actually IS literally talking to them. (A safe haven for them, since you cannot disprove the notion across the internet, no matter how much you point out how unlikely that notion is.) 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) 4. Again, as you said, getting angry at you. To be fair he isn't actually claiming that god is talking back to him. Kinda like the concept of me talking to my vacuum cleaner XD. As for his claims of seeing god, I think he might want to get his head checked. From my memory of the bible(what little I have) you could not possibly 'see' god or your eyes would melt from their sockets (or something to that extent). Or perhaps he has seen god and this has happened. That would explain why he didn't say anything when we commented on his looks D-: . Sheesh, talk about a 'blind date" XD. True, but within the context of the discussion, it certainly seems an obvious implication. After all, he's arguing against my assertion that God is absent, like a deadbeat dad. And, if he is saying that he sees God, and talks to him, but God doesn't answer him back...he is once again painting a picture of a God who is a dick. He answers back every day :) There you have it. I stand by my previous statement. The God you describe is a dick, then. For, vast numbers of people who sincerely cry out to him every day never receive an answer. I guess he just likes you better. Maybe he has? Maybe just not the way you wanted it or expected it too be answered? Allow me to quote myself again: 3.Spinning like a tornado, in an attempt to make it look like certain words or phrases might kinda', sorta', perhaps if you squint real hard from fifty feet away, mean what they claim they mean, rather than the most obvious and generally accepted meanings. (Like your example about when someone farts, that is somehow God "talking" to us. Or, torturing the term "generation" used in Matthew 24:34, so as to rescue Jesus' "prophecy" there.) |
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That's a good illustration, Lazarus. In a similar vein, I have frequently referred to God as a cosmic-level deadbeat dad. If you think about it, all the parallels are there, including the part where some of his abandoned children defend anything he does, including bending over backwards to make excuses for him and his absence. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. Believing that stuff in modern day is just plain silly but the people that made it up in the first place were true geniuses and given the time frame and how much more susceptible it was to corruption and conspiracy; I have a theory that the world leaders of the time likely banded together to create religion as a way of controlling the people. With the governing bodies and religion you've got the carrot and the stick and when the carrot is backing up the stick by enforcing all the same rules wanted by the stick then you've got a firm stranglehold on the masses and few will fight against it. I know that religion has been around for longer than civilized society but the governing bodies found a way to mold and control it to their benefit and to this day people are still slaves to it's influence. Right down to the stupidest laws/practices like circumcision and monogamy. Ya, baby dick mutilation, thx Jews! Edit: Ya I know psychology in it's current form didn't even exist until the current century but when I speak of it's influence on the bible, I don't mean it in it's official form but only in what people learned in those times of how to control the people. The phrase Neuro-linguistic programming comes to mind but I can't think of an example at current as to how it applies. Much psychology went into creation of the bible. I don't doubt that the people that made up the original bible stories were smart beyond their time to come up with such compelling tales as to keep people believing through the centuries. Things like psychology, facts and politics went into those pages mixed in with all the fairy tales. Very well done indeed. How psychological do you think they were in the BC era? And do you really think "fairy tales" were in existence at that time in mankind's history? Or back to my previous question, how "intelligent" on this kind of level do you feel people in the BC era were? And most these people that are included in the scriptures, or well the ones that wrote the things included in the scriptures didn't personally know one another. How intelligent were the people in the BC era, you ask? Well, here we are thousands of years later, with all of our advances, and we still don't know for certain how the Egyptians built the pyramids. So, they certainly weren't morons. Also, many of the laws found in the Mosaic Law, which many apologists erroneously believe reflect God-given wisdom and morality so far advanced of Israel's neighbors, are found in the older Hammurabi's Code and Principles of Maat. And, yes, the fairy tales found in the OT did exist prior to its writing. They are found in the much older Mesopotamian and/or Egyptian myths. The flood, the talking snake misleading a woman to disobey god(s), a god confusing the languages, and more... The flood, the talking snake misleading a woman to disobey god(s), a god confusing the languages, and more.. There is much evidence of a world wide flood my friend. http://www.icr.org/geological-strata/ And there's many other organizations that support a world wife flood as well. Good luck finding solid, non-biased evidence of a WORLD-WIDE flood, but there IS lots of evidence for massive regional floods, which is hardly shocking. And, even if there was a world-wide flood, that still does not prove that God caused it, or that any of the other elements of the story are true. (I refer back to my Bunny Men illustration here.) Can you not see that? Besides, I wasn't claiming that massive flooding never took place. What I was implying was that there are stories about a big flood in the older myths that are remarkably similar to the newer Noah story in the OT. (I can show you some of these similarities if you like.) Which makes it clear to me that the Noah story was most likely built upon the framework of the older myths, rather than being an inerrant, God-inspired and approved account of an actual historical event. And, again, this is true of many of the other MYTHS of the OT. |
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He answers back every day :) Does he use Twitter or have a Facebook account? Oh, you mean figuratively, kinda like his existence? |
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Lazarus102
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Thu 11/10/16 12:40 PM
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How psychological do you think they were in the BC era? And do you really think "fairy tales" were in existence at that time in mankind's history? Or back to my previous question, how "intelligent" on this kind of level do you feel people in the BC era were? And most these people that are included in the scriptures, or well the ones that wrote the things included in the scriptures didn't personally know one another. As I stated in the edit disclaimer, psychology didn't exist in it's official form back then but of course it still existed. As long as there's been people alive and breathing with sentient thought, there's been psychology. Even animal psychology. The government of your area may not personally know the members of the UN but that doesn't mean he cannot be influenced by them. Within the past century there was still mafia present in New york as well as other places and they had police in their pocket as well as judges and lawyers. One individual smart enough back then could have ruled the world without anyone knowing whom they were. I'm not claiming that it was a single individual though but a plethora of governing bodies. These people would have been the most rich and powerful of the time not to mention much like Hitler, they would have had control of some of the greatest minds of the time. Each of the countries/districts involved would have been told to have their greatest minds create a story that could grab the minds of the people. Oh and don't fool yourself, people have been creating fairy tales for as long as they could write drawings on cave walls. It's hardly a new concept. Just because we have technology these days and we didn't back then doesn't mean that they were a bunch of mouth breathing knuckle-draggers back then. People spent much more time just trying to survive and most didn't have the ability to read but those constraints were not on the rich and powerful. That's why everything has advanced for us so exponentially in the past century. Ya we have a lot more people but we also have a lot more people that are literate and don't have to spend 12-14 hours a day just staying alive. |
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