i thought you are a witch or something....

do you need scriptures to tell you this or can't you think on your own?Matter of fact how stupid were people thousands of years ago to need someone to tell them,"you need to treat others as you want to be treated"

Yes. And, my religion is Catholic.

If it is not needed to be told, then why do they teach this to our children in early school? If they already know, then why tell them? And do you think children truly know this when they are born?

Please don't edit the post when replying to me.

You might not know how, so I will inform you. If you wish to respond to just a specific spot do as followed

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Message here of what you are replying to
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Of course without the spaces between quote and [ had to put the spaces so it would keep the charactors and not do the quote lol.

lol...you typed christian point of view what now you're mentioning is parenting which needs no help from the bible.

No, just showing what our sociaty is teaching children as the "Golden rule" is taught as well in the scriptures of the bible.

I think most of the damage is due to greed for money and power.

Very true.

I believe this applies to even "religious" wars. Just people generally blame the religion. They assume without that religion that war would never have happened. Which all in all I think is a false notion. The "religion" was merely something used to try and justify their actions.

First point: The question assumes 'religion' is one distinct, easily definable principle , which is false, religions have many many different principles within them which are taught in many many different manners


Second point: The federal government defines child abuse as
Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation"; or


"An act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm."



I was brought up with religion. It did not kill me, physically harm me, emotionally harm me, sexually abuse me, or exploit me or put me at SERIOUS Risk of harm. So I guess there can probably not be an honest YES or NO answer to whether it is child abuse, because I know of MANY MANY other people like me for which religion has done none of these things.


so I come to the third point

RELIGION is not child abuse, although people can be ABUSIVE in how they choose to teach it to children. In many of the scenarios listed here, the issue is the ABUSIVE manner in which the child is supposedly introduced or 'indoctrinated' into the religion, it is not the religion itself.


For instance, as a child, I was at a certain developmental stage. Parents often give children stories to develop their imaginations and their sense of lifes possibilities,, at this stage. Some parents may be upset if their child does not adhere and they may disown them ,,like the parent who threatens to not give a christmas gift because a kid says santa isnt real, or a parent who 'disowns' a child for merely 'disbelieving' in some tradition when they get older (disbelief and disrespect are different things though...)

,and that would be abusive. OTher parents (mine, for instance) provide the resource and the information and let the children get from it what they can, which is NOT Abusive at all.

My siblings and myself ALL grew up with religion. OF the five of us, only two of us grew into adulthood with a strong belief in God or the Bible. The other three would probably be considered agnostic.

My parents exposed us to as many DIFFERENT cultures/philosophies as possible when we were children so we could use the brain they gave us to use them towards our own emotional and intellectual benefit.

,,short answer,,

Is teaching religion to children abusive? .....NO

Do abusive parents teach religion to their children with abusive methods?,,,SURE

Exactly.

i will respond as i please, just as you please to
throw scriptures around.

I throw nothing around. We're in this forum for discussion on religious views. Thus scriptures are used to show what the religious view says about whatever may be the subject.

But yes you will respond the way you wish. I only ask this, because the way you just responded was editing the other's post. Would be no different then me quoting what you say and adding something to it or changing what it says. Only mentioned the quoting thing to try and make this more of a civil enviroment in here to keep it civil so we can just be in here and discuss rather then "argue" or getting at each other's throats as it sometimes tends to lead to.

and i remember why i stay away from mingle

the truth is emerging and it has NOTHING to do with religion

peace out brother

Just out of couriousity though... what exactly does this forum have to do with mingle as a whole?

Some things are in our genes and do not need to be learnt, other things we pick up throughout life.

Children are instinctively gullible for a reason, it is in our human nature to trust our parents for reasons of survival. 'Dont swim with the crocodiles' for example, is good survival advice, and if we didnt listen to our parents advice we would not be as strong a species as we are.

This is why it is wrong to bring kids up with religion, because they will believe whatever you tell them even if it is wrong. If Christianity happened to be correct, then all those poor islamic and jewish kids are being led to a life full of wasted time, money and beliefs.

so who has the expertise or authority to determine that reigious beliefs are 'wrong'?


children are to be guided in the right direction, and that is each parents perogative to decide what that direction is,,,,,


sometimes not only children are gullible, sometimes children grow into adults who have been brainwashed to think if it makes you 'unhappy' or doesnt let you do WHATVER happens to make you happy,,,,its wrong

I never said that all parents that bring their kids up with religion are abusing them. But it is often the case, even if you cant see it. Also, many adults that i would consider to have been abused by their parents through religion would not be able to recognise or acknowledge the fact either. Just like some pedophiles that were abused themselves as kids, they believe their actions to be normal.

but the title was 'religion is child abuse'

not can children be abused through religion...

There are all kinds of mental and emotional abuse of which religion is only one.

A good sign of someone that has been abused and/or brainwashed is some one who continues to believe what they have been taught, even when clear and astonishing evidence has been put before them to prove the contrary, but they are still unable to change their view. This is also a good sign of someone who is likely to be an abuser themselves.