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Topic: Religion is Child Abuse?
Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Sat 03/31/12 08:19 AM
This was going to be a post in another thread, but i thought it deserved a thread of its own.. Its funny to see people arguing over things written in Genesis. Arguing like they truly believe that the story is real. Actually, it isn't funny at all, its a massive shame. Its a shame that their brains have been so polluted that they cannot see what is obvious to many others(that being that the story is just a story, which even many religious people acknowledge). It is a shame that no matter how much evidence and logic is put before them, that they will keep on believing. The biggest shame of all, is that when these people have children, they will indoctrinate the same rubbish into their babies tiny brains, and they'll grow up as misguided as them. And the vicious cycle continues to continue. This is one major reason why so many people in the world believe so much in their imaginary friend they call God. This is nothing short of Child Abuse. The abused grow up and keep abusing, and they think its perfectly normal. Installing religion into a childs gullible mind, is wrong, and abusive. Agree or Disagree?

JERMANICUS Joined Sat 01/28/12 Posts: 597	Sat 03/31/12 08:22 AM
It's no more abuse than making a child believe in Santa Claus,Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy?

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Sat 03/31/12 08:24 AM
It's no more abuse than making a child believe in Santa Claus,Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy? Are you sure? Shall i give you more time to think about this?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 03/31/12 08:26 AM Edited by RKISIT on Sat 03/31/12 08:28 AM
It's no more abuse than making a child believe in Santa Claus,Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy? but they don't end up going to hell if the don't believe in the ones you mentioned,but if they don't believe in the mythical God they are taught they go to hell.oh and if they don't accept Jesus also they go to hell.

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Sat 03/31/12 08:28 AM
It's no more abuse than making a child believe in Santa Claus,Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy? but they don't end up going to hell if the don't believe in the ones you mentioned,but if they don't believe in the mythical God they are taught they go to hell. This is true, many kids truly believe they will end up in hell. This is one of the reasons why i believe religion abuses children.

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Sat 03/31/12 08:30 AM
No parent will disown their child when they denounce the Easter Bunny either. Its an abuse which often continues throughout the childs entire life.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 03/31/12 08:33 AM
This was going to be a post in another thread, but i thought it deserved a thread of its own.. Its funny to see people arguing over things written in Genesis. Arguing like they truly believe that the story is real. Actually, it isn't funny at all, its a massive shame. Its a shame that their brains have been so polluted that they cannot see what is obvious to many others(that being that the story is just a story, which even many religious people acknowledge). It is a shame that no matter how much evidence and logic is put before them, that they will keep on believing. The biggest shame of all, is that when these people have children, they will indoctrinate the same rubbish into their babies tiny brains, and they'll grow up as misguided as them. And the vicious cycle continues to continue. This is one major reason why so many people in the world believe so much in their imaginary friend they call God. This is nothing short of Child Abuse. The abused grow up and keep abusing, and they think its perfectly normal. Installing religion into a childs gullible mind, is wrong, and abusive. Agree or Disagree? And I can say the same for the other side of the coin here. Installing atheism into a dhilds gullible mind, is wrong, and abusive.

xander21 Joined Fri 03/30/12 Posts: 3	Sat 03/31/12 08:34 AM
@Jermanicus Dude, what are you talking about, they are totally different. Religion is the proliferation of an ideology that embraces fantasy over reality and uses "faith" as an excuse for ignorance, thus making ignorance their way of life. Both my parents were ministers ordained and devoted, when to seminaries and such. I most of my life following that way of life. The Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy? People don't kill or destroy the lives of others, or live their lives in a why that is destructive for the scientific advancement of humanity for these characters. Religion is the protective sheath of ignorance - and ignorance is the disease that breads only death and degenerative live styles. Instilling ignorant behavior in children is child abuse, in my opinion.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 03/31/12 08:35 AM
No parent will disown their child when they denounce the Easter Bunny either. Its an abuse which often continues throughout the childs entire life. No parent will or should disown their child when they denounces God either. It is each persons choice. Doesn't make someone any better of a person or any greater of a person when one accepts God. We are all just people that make different choices. It is no one's place to judge another, not even a mom or dad to a child.

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Sat 03/31/12 08:36 AM
This was going to be a post in another thread, but i thought it deserved a thread of its own.. Its funny to see people arguing over things written in Genesis. Arguing like they truly believe that the story is real. Actually, it isn't funny at all, its a massive shame. Its a shame that their brains have been so polluted that they cannot see what is obvious to many others(that being that the story is just a story, which even many religious people acknowledge). It is a shame that no matter how much evidence and logic is put before them, that they will keep on believing. The biggest shame of all, is that when these people have children, they will indoctrinate the same rubbish into their babies tiny brains, and they'll grow up as misguided as them. And the vicious cycle continues to continue. This is one major reason why so many people in the world believe so much in their imaginary friend they call God. This is nothing short of Child Abuse. The abused grow up and keep abusing, and they think its perfectly normal. Installing religion into a childs gullible mind, is wrong, and abusive. Agree or Disagree? And I can say the same for the other side of the coin here. Installing atheism into a dhilds gullible mind, is wrong, and abusive. Its not necessarily directly comparable, but i do agree with you in principle. I'll give my child the opportunity to make his own mind up, and when he is old enough, he can call himself a Christian, a Muslim, a Gay, or whatever he chooses.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 03/31/12 08:37 AM
@Jermanicus Dude, what are you talking about, they are totally different. Religion is the proliferation of an ideology that embraces fantasy over reality and uses "faith" as an excuse for ignorance, thus making ignorance their way of life. Both my parents were ministers ordained and devoted, when to seminaries and such. I most of my life following that way of life. The Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy? People don't kill or destroy the lives of others, or live their lives in a why that is destructive for the scientific advancement of humanity for these characters. Religion is the protective sheath of ignorance - and ignorance is the disease that breads only death and degenerative live styles. Instilling ignorant behavior in children is child abuse, in my opinion. Religion is the proliferation of an ideology that embraces fantasy over reality and uses "faith" as an excuse for ignorance, thus making ignorance their way of life. Both my parents were ministers ordained and devoted, when to seminaries and such. Not totally. Science is the same in that aspect. Yeah you can read a book up on certain things that a scientist says is true or not true. But you are placing faith in what they say to be true, for you have absolutely no way if this scientist is right or not. You just take on faith that what he says is true about the science in mention.

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Sat 03/31/12 08:38 AM
No parent will disown their child when they denounce the Easter Bunny either. Its an abuse which often continues throughout the childs entire life. No parent will or should disown their child when they denounces God either. It is each persons choice. Doesn't make someone any better of a person or any greater of a person when one accepts God. We are all just people that make different choices. It is no one's place to judge another, not even a mom or dad to a child. No parent should, but many many many parents do.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 03/31/12 08:39 AM
This was going to be a post in another thread, but i thought it deserved a thread of its own.. Its funny to see people arguing over things written in Genesis. Arguing like they truly believe that the story is real. Actually, it isn't funny at all, its a massive shame. Its a shame that their brains have been so polluted that they cannot see what is obvious to many others(that being that the story is just a story, which even many religious people acknowledge). It is a shame that no matter how much evidence and logic is put before them, that they will keep on believing. The biggest shame of all, is that when these people have children, they will indoctrinate the same rubbish into their babies tiny brains, and they'll grow up as misguided as them. And the vicious cycle continues to continue. This is one major reason why so many people in the world believe so much in their imaginary friend they call God. This is nothing short of Child Abuse. The abused grow up and keep abusing, and they think its perfectly normal. Installing religion into a childs gullible mind, is wrong, and abusive. Agree or Disagree? And I can say the same for the other side of the coin here. Installing atheism into a dhilds gullible mind, is wrong, and abusive. Its not necessarily directly comparable, but i do agree with you in principle. I'll give my child the opportunity to make his own mind up, and when he is old enough, he can call himself a Christian, a Muslim, a Gay, or whatever he chooses. Yes just as say a Christian parent should do. It's called free will, each person is accountable for themself. No one has the right to tell the other what they should believe, not even a parent.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 03/31/12 08:40 AM
No parent will disown their child when they denounce the Easter Bunny either. Its an abuse which often continues throughout the childs entire life. No parent will or should disown their child when they denounces God either. It is each persons choice. Doesn't make someone any better of a person or any greater of a person when one accepts God. We are all just people that make different choices. It is no one's place to judge another, not even a mom or dad to a child. No parent should, but many many many parents do. Yeah unfortunately. But there lays the problem, the parent. Not the belief in itself.

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Sat 03/31/12 08:42 AM Edited by Dan99 on Sat 03/31/12 08:46 AM
@Jermanicus Dude, what are you talking about, they are totally different. Religion is the proliferation of an ideology that embraces fantasy over reality and uses "faith" as an excuse for ignorance, thus making ignorance their way of life. Both my parents were ministers ordained and devoted, when to seminaries and such. I most of my life following that way of life. The Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy? People don't kill or destroy the lives of others, or live their lives in a why that is destructive for the scientific advancement of humanity for these characters. Religion is the protective sheath of ignorance - and ignorance is the disease that breads only death and degenerative live styles. Instilling ignorant behavior in children is child abuse, in my opinion. Religion is the proliferation of an ideology that embraces fantasy over reality and uses "faith" as an excuse for ignorance, thus making ignorance their way of life. Both my parents were ministers ordained and devoted, when to seminaries and such. Not totally. Science is the same in that aspect. Yeah you can read a book up on certain things that a scientist says is true or not true. But you are placing faith in what they say to be true, for you have absolutely no way if this scientist is right or not. You just take on faith that what he says is true about the science in mention. People who believe in science are willing to change their views when new evidence arises. There isnt an Ancient Book of Science, which people will believe no matter what.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 03/31/12 08:46 AM
@Jermanicus Dude, what are you talking about, they are totally different. Religion is the proliferation of an ideology that embraces fantasy over reality and uses "faith" as an excuse for ignorance, thus making ignorance their way of life. Both my parents were ministers ordained and devoted, when to seminaries and such. I most of my life following that way of life. The Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy? People don't kill or destroy the lives of others, or live their lives in a why that is destructive for the scientific advancement of humanity for these characters. Religion is the protective sheath of ignorance - and ignorance is the disease that breads only death and degenerative live styles. Instilling ignorant behavior in children is child abuse, in my opinion. Religion is the proliferation of an ideology that embraces fantasy over reality and uses "faith" as an excuse for ignorance, thus making ignorance their way of life. Both my parents were ministers ordained and devoted, when to seminaries and such. Not totally. Science is the same in that aspect. Yeah you can read a book up on certain things that a scientist says is true or not true. But you are placing faith in what they say to be true, for you have absolutely no way if this scientist is right or not. You just take on faith that what he says is true about the science in mention. People who believe in science are willing to change their views when new evidence arises. There isnt an Ancient Book of Science, which people will believe no matter what. Yes, and that shows the authenticity of science right there. Why place faith in something you already know is going to change later on down the road? Why put faith in something that is unstable like that? Not downing science at all, for it has brought many great things from medical to our every day usage of technology and what not.

xander21 Joined Fri 03/30/12 Posts: 3	Sat 03/31/12 08:48 AM
Very true, but one thing I have always argued with my parents on. Is this, as a scientist, I can say "Aha new data, WE WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT". This is because religion was created as an early form of government. Science is the quest for knowledge, it is adaptable, agile and evolves as we learn more. By its very nature, religion is stagnant and unchanging, because the idea of a monotheistic god figure is absolute, unchanging. etc. I know some polytheistic religions that have a more adaptable ideological structure but still no real evidence. And that there is the problem - evidence - evidence to support the claims made by religions and the subscribers to religions can not adequately compete with the evidence and theories that advances in science have proven true, or at least consistent when applied.

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Sat 03/31/12 08:52 AM
This was going to be a post in another thread, but i thought it deserved a thread of its own.. Its funny to see people arguing over things written in Genesis. Arguing like they truly believe that the story is real. Actually, it isn't funny at all, its a massive shame. Its a shame that their brains have been so polluted that they cannot see what is obvious to many others(that being that the story is just a story, which even many religious people acknowledge). It is a shame that no matter how much evidence and logic is put before them, that they will keep on believing. The biggest shame of all, is that when these people have children, they will indoctrinate the same rubbish into their babies tiny brains, and they'll grow up as misguided as them. And the vicious cycle continues to continue. This is one major reason why so many people in the world believe so much in their imaginary friend they call God. This is nothing short of Child Abuse. The abused grow up and keep abusing, and they think its perfectly normal. Installing religion into a childs gullible mind, is wrong, and abusive. Agree or Disagree? agree! amen brother

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Sat 03/31/12 08:52 AM
Very true, but one thing I have always argued with my parents on. Is this, as a scientist, I can say "Aha new data, WE WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT". This is because religion was created as an early form of government. Science is the quest for knowledge, it is adaptable, agile and evolves as we learn more. By its very nature, religion is stagnant and unchanging, because the idea of a monotheistic god figure is absolute, unchanging. etc. I know some polytheistic religions that have a more adaptable ideological structure but still no real evidence. And that there is the problem - evidence - evidence to support the claims made by religions and the subscribers to religions can not adequately compete with the evidence and theories that advances in science have proven true, or at least consistent when applied. My thoughts exactly, in much better words than i am capable of writing myself.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 03/31/12 08:58 AM
Very true, but one thing I have always argued with my parents on. Is this, as a scientist, I can say "Aha new data, WE WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT". This is because religion was created as an early form of government. Science is the quest for knowledge, it is adaptable, agile and evolves as we learn more. By its very nature, religion is stagnant and unchanging, because the idea of a monotheistic god figure is absolute, unchanging. etc. I know some polytheistic religions that have a more adaptable ideological structure but still no real evidence. And that there is the problem - evidence - evidence to support the claims made by religions and the subscribers to religions can not adequately compete with the evidence and theories that advances in science have proven true, or at least consistent when applied. But science and religion truly can't be compared all that much. Now please keep in mind I'm stating this from a Christian aspect, and not from a general "religion" aspect, for I don't know an entire lot about the different religious beliefs. But the scriptures we have don't tell about molecules, cells, ect. That is where science is good. For it has allowed us to progress much as a civilization in general. But as for the creation of us and the world as a general aspect, even science places it as a "theory". And a theory all in all is nothing more then an educated guess. It's not an exact without a doubt fact. And the scriptures and or the belief in general is about things that happened in the past eg., "history". Or things that are to come. So again, has really not much to do with "science".