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Topic: I love Jews
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Sun 12/04/11 10:13 PM
Zionism is the Jewish people's worst enemy in my opinion.

Zionism is a political movement to establish the State of Israel. that is all it is. Just because the majority of Zionist are Jews, does not mean that Jews are Zionists.

Many Jews strongly oppose Zionism.

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Sun 12/04/11 10:14 PM



I can tell she is one-sided completely by reading her posts. She confuses Zionism with being Jewish for one thing.


The majority of the Jews in the world are Zionists, the two are almost synonymous.


I don't agree with your first statement.

The two are often confused, but they are definitively not synonymous.

You are demonstrating that you don't know the difference either, hence I am going to assume that you have not done your research at all.


42% of the World Jews live in Israel. So you don't think there are 9% of the the Jews who don't live in Israel who support Zionism?

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Sun 12/04/11 10:17 PM




I can tell she is one-sided completely by reading her posts. She confuses Zionism with being Jewish for one thing.


The majority of the Jews in the world are Zionists, the two are almost synonymous.


I don't agree with your first statement.

The two are often confused, but they are definitively not synonymous.

You are demonstrating that you don't know the difference either, hence I am going to assume that you have not done your research at all.


42% of the World Jews live in Israel. So you don't think there are 9% of the the Jews who don't live in Israel who support Zionism?


I have doubts about those figures. Not all Jewish bloodlines claim to be Jewish. I'm sure a lot of people support Zionism who don't live in Israel because of the propaganda spin about it.


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Sun 12/04/11 10:18 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Sun 12/04/11 10:30 PM

I have doubts about those figures. Not all Jewish bloodlines claim to be Jewish. I'm sure a lot of people support Zionism who don't live in Israel because of the propaganda spin about it.


Do you ever find it coincidental that you doubt facts and figures with which you already disagree?

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Sun 12/04/11 10:23 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 12/04/11 10:24 PM


I have doubts about those figures. Not all Jewish bloodlines claim to be Jewish. I'm sure a lot of people support Zionism who don't live in Israel because of the propaganda spin about it.


Do you ever find it coincidental that you doubt facts and figures which which you already disagree?


??

I did not say I disagree with them. I said I have doubts about those figures. In other words, I doubt if they are accurate.

Simple as that. They simply do not ring true.

You could have pulled them out of your hat for all I know.

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Sun 12/04/11 10:30 PM

..i can honestly say i don't know the religion of any of my friends..i either like the person or persons for the way they are or i don't ..my religious beliefs don't define me ..because i don't really have any..i just try to treat people deceant until they piss me off...:laughing:

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Sun 12/04/11 10:51 PM


..i can honestly say i don't know the religion of any of my friends..i either like the person or persons for the way they are or i don't ..my religious beliefs don't define me ..because i don't really have any..i just try to treat people deceant until they piss me off...:laughing:


I usually try to treat people decent. I just like the Jewish people. I'm sure there are plenty of Jews I wouldn't like personally, but culturally, I find a lot to admire. I love the Jews man and you should too.

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Sun 12/04/11 10:52 PM



I have doubts about those figures. Not all Jewish bloodlines claim to be Jewish. I'm sure a lot of people support Zionism who don't live in Israel because of the propaganda spin about it.


Do you ever find it coincidental that you doubt facts and figures which which you already disagree?


??

I did not say I disagree with them. I said I have doubts about those figures. In other words, I doubt if they are accurate.

Simple as that. They simply do not ring true.

You could have pulled them out of your hat for all I know.


You have the internet, why don't you check?

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Sun 12/04/11 11:22 PM
Edited by 5apphire on Sun 12/04/11 11:24 PM

Zionism is the Jewish people's worst enemy in my opinion.

Zionism is a political movement to establish the State of Israel. that is all it is. Just because the majority of Zionist are Jews, does not mean that Jews are Zionists.

Many Jews strongly oppose Zionism.


So you seriously believe that the State of Israel is the Jewish people's worst enemy. Wow, I have heard of twisting facts but that borders on the ridiculous. How can Israel be the Jews' worst enemy.

I don't know any Jews (and I know a lot) that oppose the State of Israel. There are some nutjobs in the ultra-religious sector who don't believe that Israel should exist until the Messiah comes, and there are a few long skirts/courdroy pant wearing lefties who are misguided but the mainstream Jewry certainly do support Israel. Israel is an incredible place and Jews, Muslims, Christians and others should be allowed to live in peace without the constant barrage of threats of violence and indiscriminate murders of innocent civilians.

I'm extremely proud to be a Zionist.


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Sun 12/04/11 11:37 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 12/04/11 11:40 PM


Zionism is the Jewish people's worst enemy in my opinion.

Zionism is a political movement to establish the State of Israel. that is all it is. Just because the majority of Zionist are Jews, does not mean that Jews are Zionists.

Many Jews strongly oppose Zionism.


So you seriously believe that the State of Israel is the Jewish people's worst enemy. Wow, I have heard of twisting facts but that borders on the ridiculous. How can Israel be the Jews' worst enemy.


er....um.... I did NOT say that.

I said that ZIONISM, which is a POLITICAL MOVEMENT to establish the state of Israel for the Jews -- is the Jewish people's worst enemy!!

Zionism is the machine behind antisemitism. It is the cause of it.


I don't know any Jews (and I know a lot) that oppose the State of Israel. There are some nutjobs in the ultra-religious sector who don't believe that Israel should exist until the Messiah comes, and there are a few long skirts/courdroy pant wearing lefties who are misguided but the mainstream Jewry certainly do support Israel. Israel is an incredible place and Jews, Muslims, Christians and others should be allowed to live in peace without the constant barrage of threats of violence and indiscriminate murders of innocent civilians.

I'm extremely proud to be a Zionist.




I am proud to be against it. Israel was founded on terrorist acts.

Land is won by way of conquest and war and aggression and death.

To the victor goes the spoils they say.

I guess you are proud of that.






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Sun 12/04/11 11:43 PM



Zionism is the Jewish people's worst enemy in my opinion.

Zionism is a political movement to establish the State of Israel. that is all it is. Just because the majority of Zionist are Jews, does not mean that Jews are Zionists.

Many Jews strongly oppose Zionism.


So you seriously believe that the State of Israel is the Jewish people's worst enemy. Wow, I have heard of twisting facts but that borders on the ridiculous. How can Israel be the Jews' worst enemy.


er....um.... I did NOT say that.

I said that ZIONISM, which is a POLITICAL MOVEMENT to establish the state of Israel for the Jews -- is the Jewish people's worst enemy!!

Zionism is the machine behind antisemitism. It is the cause of it.


I don't know any Jews (and I know a lot) that oppose the State of Israel. There are some nutjobs in the ultra-religious sector who don't believe that Israel should exist until the Messiah comes, and there are a few long skirts/courdroy pant wearing lefties who are misguided but the mainstream Jewry certainly do support Israel. Israel is an incredible place and Jews, Muslims, Christians and others should be allowed to live in peace without the constant barrage of threats of violence and indiscriminate murders of innocent civilians.

I'm extremely proud to be a Zionist.




I am proud to be against it. Israel was founded on terrorist acts.

Land is won by way of conquest and war and aggression and death.





Your statement doesn't make sense. You are saying that the Zionism of 100 years ago is the enemy of the Jews nowadays???

Israel was not as you say "founded on terrorist acts" and believe me Israel was and is far far more humanitarian than its enemies are. Whilst the arabs living in Israel boast from their prison cells that they have murdered innocent babies (google the Palmer murders and the Fogel murders), Israel goes out of its way to behave with humanity and dignity.

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Sun 12/04/11 11:45 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 12/04/11 11:46 PM
And as we speak, Israel and America are plotting a plan to strike Iran and somehow make it look like they are defending themselves.

March 15th probably is a date to watch.

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Sun 12/04/11 11:49 PM

And as we speak, Israel and America are plotting a plan to strike Iran and somehow make it look like they are defending themselves.

March 15th probably is a date to watch.


Like your post last week about the 67 war. You believe Egypt should have been inside Israel's territory before Israel fought back, you probably believe Iran should 'drop a load' before Israel defends itself.

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Sun 12/04/11 11:56 PM
Does this help?????????


The State of Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948 after almost two millennia of Jewish dispersal and persecution around the Mediterranean. From the late 19th century the Zionist movement worked towards the goal of recreating a homeland for the Jewish people. Israeli independence has been marked by massive immigration of Jews, by conflict with the Palestinians and by wars with neighbouring Arab states. Since about 1970 the USA has been the principal ally of Israel. In 1979, an uneasy peace was established with Egypt and in 1994, with Jordan. About 42% of the world's Jews live in Israel today.

Modern Israel is roughly located on the site of ancient Jewish kingdoms which were the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and contains sites sacred to all of the world's principal monotheistic religions. The Jews were mostly driven out of the country by the Romans over the course of centuries of conflict, although some Jews remained. In the Middle-Ages, the area formed the focal point of conflict between Christianity and Islam. The expulsion of the Jews from Spain led to an increased, though still small, Jewish presence. In modern times, persecution in Europe led to the creation of the Zionist movement, which was able to win international support and establish the world's only Jewish-majority state.


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Sun 12/04/11 11:57 PM


And as we speak, Israel and America are plotting a plan to strike Iran and somehow make it look like they are defending themselves.

March 15th probably is a date to watch.


Like your post last week about the 67 war. You believe Egypt should have been inside Israel's territory before Israel fought back, you probably believe Iran should 'drop a load' before Israel defends itself.


I read the details about the 6 day war that I was sent to on wiki and it was clear that Israel had been planing an invasion for a long time.

It is possible the Egyptians were simply preparing to defend themselves against the imminent attack they knew was coming.


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Sun 12/04/11 11:58 PM
Those same plans against Iran are in progress.


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Mon 12/05/11 12:01 AM



And as we speak, Israel and America are plotting a plan to strike Iran and somehow make it look like they are defending themselves.

March 15th probably is a date to watch.


Like your post last week about the 67 war. You believe Egypt should have been inside Israel's territory before Israel fought back, you probably believe Iran should 'drop a load' before Israel defends itself.


I read the details about the 6 day war that I was sent to on wiki and it was clear that Israel had been planing an invasion for a long time.

It is possible the Egyptians were simply preparing to defend themselves against the imminent attack they knew was coming.




Yes, but the 67 war did not simply involve Egypt threatening to wipe out Israel - Israel's enemies were ammased on every border and Israel was hugely outnumbered in manpower and weaponry. You did not really understand the wiki link about the 1967 war did you?

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Mon 12/05/11 12:07 AM




And as we speak, Israel and America are plotting a plan to strike Iran and somehow make it look like they are defending themselves.

March 15th probably is a date to watch.


Like your post last week about the 67 war. You believe Egypt should have been inside Israel's territory before Israel fought back, you probably believe Iran should 'drop a load' before Israel defends itself.


I read the details about the 6 day war that I was sent to on wiki and it was clear that Israel had been planing an invasion for a long time.

It is possible the Egyptians were simply preparing to defend themselves against the imminent attack they knew was coming.




Yes, but the 67 war did not simply involve Egypt threatening to wipe out Israel - Israel's enemies were ammased on every border and Israel was hugely outnumbered in manpower and weaponry. You did not really understand the wiki link about the 1967 war did you?


I really have my doubts about that, and I don't hold wikipedia up as absolute proof or as an authority. I did read a lot of that article and Israel had been planing to invade for quite a while.

And I'm not too fond of Israel's attack on the USS Liberty spy ship either. I suspect they knew exactly what they were doing even though they claim it was a mistake, I heard quite a different story.





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Mon 12/05/11 12:11 AM





And as we speak, Israel and America are plotting a plan to strike Iran and somehow make it look like they are defending themselves.

March 15th probably is a date to watch.


Like your post last week about the 67 war. You believe Egypt should have been inside Israel's territory before Israel fought back, you probably believe Iran should 'drop a load' before Israel defends itself.


I read the details about the 6 day war that I was sent to on wiki and it was clear that Israel had been planing an invasion for a long time.

It is possible the Egyptians were simply preparing to defend themselves against the imminent attack they knew was coming.




Yes, but the 67 war did not simply involve Egypt threatening to wipe out Israel - Israel's enemies were ammased on every border and Israel was hugely outnumbered in manpower and weaponry. You did not really understand the wiki link about the 1967 war did you?


I really have my doubts about that, and I don't hold wikipedia up as absolute proof or as an authority. I did read a lot of that article and Israel had been planing to invade for quite a while.

And I'm not too fond of Israel's attack on the USS Liberty spy ship either. I suspect they knew exactly what they were doing even though they claim it was a mistake, I heard quite a different story.







Of course, that's your perogative - to believe what you want to believe. Others can make up their own minds and prejudice does not cloud their understanding of the facts.

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Mon 12/05/11 12:11 AM



Zionism is the Jewish people's worst enemy in my opinion.

Zionism is a political movement to establish the State of Israel. that is all it is. Just because the majority of Zionist are Jews, does not mean that Jews are Zionists.

Many Jews strongly oppose Zionism.


So you seriously believe that the State of Israel is the Jewish people's worst enemy. Wow, I have heard of twisting facts but that borders on the ridiculous. How can Israel be the Jews' worst enemy.


er....um.... I did NOT say that.

I said that ZIONISM, which is a POLITICAL MOVEMENT to establish the state of Israel for the Jews -- is the Jewish people's worst enemy!!

Zionism is the machine behind antisemitism. It is the cause of it.


I don't know any Jews (and I know a lot) that oppose the State of Israel. There are some nutjobs in the ultra-religious sector who don't believe that Israel should exist until the Messiah comes, and there are a few long skirts/courdroy pant wearing lefties who are misguided but the mainstream Jewry certainly do support Israel. Israel is an incredible place and Jews, Muslims, Christians and others should be allowed to live in peace without the constant barrage of threats of violence and indiscriminate murders of innocent civilians.

I'm extremely proud to be a Zionist.




I am proud to be against it. Israel was founded on terrorist acts.

Land is won by way of conquest and war and aggression and death.

To the victor goes the spoils they say.

I guess you are proud of that.






Absurd!

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