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Topic: I love Jews
Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 12/05/11 02:59 PM
Other countries did that same under the pressure of the Zionists movement that wanted to get more Jews to move to Israel. And the fact that Israel didn't exist until 3 years after WWII doesn't stop you from thinking this?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 12/05/11 03:05 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 12/05/11 03:09 PM
Okay then lets talk about "Jew hatred" prior to Zionism. You claim to love Jews, but then you question if Jews have ever been hated for being Jewish? Before being Jewish? What on earth does that mean? My question is prior to the political movement of Zionism, why did people hate and "persecute" Jews in particular?? Why do Jews claim to be persecuted? Because they have been? It's a historical fact. It is an historical fact that many other people and religions have also been persecuted. Why do Jews think they have been persecuted more than anyone else? If they have, then why have they? What is so different about Jews or about their religions that makes them more persecuted that anyone else? Jeanniebean: Many peoples have been the victims of persecution and ethnic cleansing, including Christians, American Indians, Austrailian Aboriginis, Africans, Canadian natives etc. That's true, but outside of the scope of this discussion. No it is not. You seem to want to say that Jews are more persecuted than anyone else. I am asking you why you think that is? Is it a case of the wheel that squeaks the loudest get oiled first? There is so much wrong with this. Are you actually claiming that Jews just complain all of the time, so that is the only reason that they get noticed for their suffering? Have you read about the Pogroms? If you really do love Jews, I would hate to see your attitude towards someone you didn't like. Jews do complain a lot. That is something they are typically known for. That is not saying anything that isn't true.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 12/05/11 03:08 PM
No it is not. You seem to want to say that Jews are more persecuted than anyone else. I am asking you why you think that is? Show me where I said that. Since I already know you can't, just admit it was a clumsy strawman fallacy and let's move on. Jews do complain a lot. That is something they are typically known for. That is not saying anything that isn't true. So your defense is to use a racial stereotype? I thought about reporting this, since that's pretty racist, but I decided it's better to leave it out there so people can see what kind of person you really are.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 12/05/11 03:13 PM
No it is not. You seem to want to say that Jews are more persecuted than anyone else. I am asking you why you think that is? Show me where I said that. Since I already know you can't, just admit it was a clumsy strawman fallacy and let's move on. Jews do complain a lot. That is something they are typically known for. That is not saying anything that isn't true. So your defense is to use a racial stereotype? I thought about reporting this, since that's pretty racist, but I decided it's better to leave it out there so people can see what kind of person you really are. First of all, it is not a racial stereotype. Jews are not a race. Second, of all the races and religions of the world Jews are the ones who complain more about being "persecuted" than anyone else. And everyone accepts that as a fact. I still have not heard an answer to my question. Why do you and others claim or think Jews are persecuted all over the world? Why them? Why do Jews need a safe haven? Don't we all need safe havens?

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Mon 12/05/11 03:15 PM Edited by Optomistic69 on Mon 12/05/11 03:21 PM
There is so much wrong with this. Are you actually claiming that Jews just complain all of the time, so that is the only reason that they get noticed for their suffering? Have you read about the Pogroms? If you really do love Jews, I would hate to see your attitude towards someone you didn't like. Jews do complain a lot. That is something they are typically known for. That is not saying anything that isn't true. The Holocaust industry has been used and abused to the extent of it becoming an extortion racket.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Mon 12/05/11 03:16 PM Edited by singmesweet on Mon 12/05/11 03:17 PM
Jews do complain a lot. That is something they are typically known for. That is not saying anything that isn't true. Wow. Now you're stooping to stereotyping an entire group of people? That's pretty bad, even for you. And all because you don't agree with how they've been persecuted?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 12/05/11 03:17 PM
I thought about reporting this, since that's pretty racist, but I decided it's better to leave it out there so people can see what kind of person you really are. It is impossible for me to be racist because Jews are not a race other than they are white the same as me. Jewish stereotypes are plastered all over the television constantly by Jewish producers. Look at the shoe the Nanny. You are grasping at straws.

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Mon 12/05/11 03:18 PM
@ Spider So your defense is to use a racial stereotype? I thought about reporting this, since that's pretty racist, but I decided it's better to leave it out there so people can see what kind of person you really are. Reporting ???? Must be feeling the pressure of debate

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 12/05/11 03:18 PM
Jews do complain a lot. That is something they are typically known for. That is not saying anything that isn't true. Wow. Now you're stooping to stereotyping an entire group of people? That's pretty bad, even for you. And all because you don't agree with how they've been persecuted? Ditto to you. Jews stereotype themselves. And look at you.... complaining.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Mon 12/05/11 03:19 PM
@ Spider So your defense is to use a racial stereotype? I thought about reporting this, since that's pretty racist, but I decided it's better to leave it out there so people can see what kind of person you really are. Reporting ???? Must be feeling the pressure of debate And you haven't reported anyone before? That's why posts to you that you don't like get removed, right?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 12/05/11 03:20 PM
This thread is no longer about the trolls. Ignore the Jew haters and let's talk about some love for our Jewish brothers and sisters.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Mon 12/05/11 03:20 PM
Jews do complain a lot. That is something they are typically known for. That is not saying anything that isn't true. Wow. Now you're stooping to stereotyping an entire group of people? That's pretty bad, even for you. And all because you don't agree with how they've been persecuted? Ditto to you. Jews stereotype themselves. And look at you.... complaining. Isn't complaining what you've done this whole time? About the zionists? About Israel? Any time anyone disagrees with you? If you think it does you good to stereotype, go for it.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 12/05/11 03:21 PM
@singmesweet Why do you think I "don't agree" with how Jews have been persecuted? I am only asking the simple question... Why do you or anyone else think that Jews are more persecuted than anyone else? And IF they have been, why do you think they have?

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Mon 12/05/11 03:21 PM
This thread is no longer about the trolls. Ignore the Jew haters and let's talk about some love for our Jewish brothers and sisters.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Mon 12/05/11 03:22 PM
@singmesweet Why do you think I "don't agree" with how Jews have been persecuted? I am only asking the simple question... Why do you or anyone else think that Jews are more persecuted than anyone else? And IF they have been, why do you think they have? Just as Spider said to you earlier, show me where I said they have been persecuted more than anyone else. I want the exact quote and link to the page I said it.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 12/05/11 03:22 PM
Jews do complain a lot. That is something they are typically known for. That is not saying anything that isn't true. Wow. Now you're stooping to stereotyping an entire group of people? That's pretty bad, even for you. And all because you don't agree with how they've been persecuted? Ditto to you. Jews stereotype themselves. And look at you.... complaining. Isn't complaining what you've done this whole time? About the zionists? About Israel? Any time anyone disagrees with you? If you think it does you good to stereotype, go for it. I don't really care if you or anyone "disagrees" with me. I am just trying to warn Jews to stay out of Israel. I don't think it is a safe haven at all. Don't get on the trains.

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Mon 12/05/11 03:24 PM
@ Spider So your defense is to use a racial stereotype? I thought about reporting this, since that's pretty racist, but I decided it's better to leave it out there so people can see what kind of person you really are. Reporting ???? Must be feeling the pressure of debate And you haven't reported anyone before? That's why posts to you that you don't like get removed, right? It is not in my nature to report. I have never reported I can give it out I can take it. Free speech is supposed to be just that ...Free Speech.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 12/05/11 03:24 PM
@singmesweet Why do you think I "don't agree" with how Jews have been persecuted? I am only asking the simple question... Why do you or anyone else think that Jews are more persecuted than anyone else? And IF they have been, why do you think they have? Just as Spider said to you earlier, show me where I said they have been persecuted more than anyone else. I want the exact quote and link to the page I said it. Everyone claims that Jews need Israel as a safe haven because they are so persecuted around the world. This implies that only Jews need a safe haven and only Jews have been so persecuted. two plus two. If you don't think Jews have been persecuted more than everyone else, then stop claiming that they need Israel as a safe haven.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 12/05/11 03:26 PM
This thread is no longer about the trolls. Ignore the Jew haters and let's talk about some love for our Jewish brothers and sisters. There are no "Jew haters" here. I am trying to save the Jews from their worst enemy. Zionism. Don't get on the trains!!

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Mon 12/05/11 03:27 PM Edited by Optomistic69 on Mon 12/05/11 03:30 PM
This thread is no longer about the trolls. Ignore the Jew haters and let's talk about some love for our Jewish brothers and sisters. There are no "Jew haters" here. I am trying to save the Jews from their worst enemy. Zionism. Don't get on the trains!! I second That There are no "Jew haters" here. I am trying to save the Jews from their worst enemy. Zionism. Don't get on the trains!!