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Edited by
MorningSong
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Abra wrote....
...... that everyone MUST confess Jesus to be LORD and MUST accept him as their LORD and Savior ....
Abra....did you know that if you accepted Jesus, just because you felt you MUST,or else... that wouldn't get you saved in the first place? A WILLING heart is the ONLY kind of heart ,that God is interested in coming to him.....and in whom God's Holy Spirit will reside in... again, God ALREADY KNOWS , that not one single soul can come to God with a willing heart on his own, EXCEPT GOD DRAW that person UNTO HIM FIRST!!!!!!! You are NOT gonna accept Jesus ever, except God FIRST draw you and convict you...until then, nothing is gonna happen, simply because it can't...without God drawing you first, Abra. 
But WHEN that time comes, you will be WILLING , and NOT feeling you MUST ,or ELSE...no...God doesn't work that way. There are a lot of people who attend church and BELIEVE in God, but have never yet RECEIVED Jesus into their hearts.... God has to draw them first, also....in order for them to become saved.... they can be in church til the cows come home..... they can even be active in ministry and bible teaching til the cows come home... BUT.... UNTIL GOD FIRST DRAWS them and CONVICTS them ALSO of their need for a Saviour, they are NOT saved yet, no matter how much they already believe in God ,and are even active in the church or ministry. We ALL have to ALSO RECEIVE JESUS into our hearts , in order to become SAVED , and not only just BELIEVE !!! Btw, the devil also believes in JESUS...and TREMBLES at the SOUND of that NAME of JESUS !!! That is why, at the NAME of JESUS,the devil FLEES!!! He KNOWS WHO JESUS IS!!! Amen?? But Again... Salvation cannot happen until God first DRAW man unto him...otherwise, confession will just come from the head and not from the heart. But, A HEART confession of Jesus comes when the HEART feels the DRAWING Power of God and the CONVICTION from God of our sins ,and our need for a Saviour..and THEN are we able to ask Jesus in....and MEAN it....and then, that is when Jesus thru the Power of His Holy Spirit , is able to come in and make permanent residence within our heart. This is how Salvation takes place....no forcing, no having to....God actually will bring you to the point where you become WILLING. God doesn't want robots coming to him, Abra...but only willing hearts. GOD is the One Who is able to help us become willing....at just the right time......and only He knows when that time Will be. 
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Abra wrote.... ...... that everyone MUST confess Jesus to be LORD and MUST accept him as their LORD and Savior ....
Abra....did you know that if you accepted Jesus, just because you felt you MUST,or else... that wouldn't get you saved in the first place? A WILLING heart is the ONLY kind of heart ,that God is interested in That's precisely why I don't believe in Christianity MorningSong. It's religion that I reject. Not a God. I KNOW that I have a WILLING heart. I'm more than WILLING to embrace the love of a truly all-wise, righteous, and divine creator.
I have been more than WILLING my entire life.
Therefore what does Christianity even have to do with it? 
It's only the Christians who act like I don't have a WILLING heart because I am UNWILLING to accept their dogma as the "Word of God". Accepting and supporting the Christian Bible has absolutely nothing at all to do with having a WILLING heart if by a WILLING heart all you mean is to be open to the divine LOVE of a genuinely all-wise, all-righteous, divine creator. No problem there. 
I'm more than open to that MorningSong, and I have been all my life. |
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Edited by
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Cowboy wrote: Jesus even referred to his father as God. And also this shows what I'm also saying in this thread. If Jesus is God the father, then him crying out God why hast thou forsaken me would essentially be lying, for he would not be speaking to anyone, if they were one in the same being. Matthew 27:46 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Exactly! And this totally flies in the face of Jesus' previous claims, "I and the Father are ONE", and "Before Abraham was, I AM". So all you are doing here is verifying that these stories are indeed totally riddled with huge contradictions. No there's no contradiction. Only misunderstanding. Jesus and the father are one. They share the same will, they operate in accordance with one another, they are one. In the same sense a family is one. There is a mom, dad, and a kid(s). But they are one, they are one family. They are one "God". They are one "authority" over us. God = Authority, Leader, ect. But Again... Salvation cannot happen until God first DRAW man unto him...otherwise, confession will just come from the head and not from the heart. Sorry MorningSong, I've misunderstood you again. I've again taken you saying they are one God as saying they are one "being/person". |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Sat 12/03/11 08:40 PM
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Abra wrote.... ...... that everyone MUST confess Jesus to be LORD and MUST accept him as their LORD and Savior ....
Abra....did you know that if you accepted Jesus, just because you felt you MUST,or else... that wouldn't get you saved in the first place? A WILLING heart is the ONLY kind of heart ,that God is interested in coming to him.....and in whom God's Holy Spirit will reside in... again, God ALREADY KNOWS , that not one single soul can come to God with a willing heart on his own, EXCEPT GOD DRAW that person UNTO HIM FIRST!!!!!!! You are NOT gonna accept Jesus ever, except God FIRST draw you and convict you...until then, nothing is gonna happen, simply because it can't...without God drawing you first, Abra.
But WHEN that time comes, you will be WILLING , and NOT feeling you MUST ,or ELSE...no...God doesn't work that way. There are a lot of people who attend church and BELIEVE in God, but have never yet RECEIVED Jesus into their hearts.... God has to draw them first, also....in order for them to become saved.... they can be in church til the cows come home..... they can even be active in ministry and bible teaching til the cows come home... BUT.... UNTIL GOD FIRST DRAWS them and CONVICTS them ALSO of their need for a Saviour, they are NOT saved yet, no matter how much they already believe in God ,and are even active in the church or ministry. We ALL have to ALSO RECEIVE JESUS into our hearts , in order to become SAVED , and not only just BELIEVE !!! Btw, the devil also believes in JESUS...and TREMBLES at the SOUND of that NAME of JESUS !!! That is why, at the NAME of JESUS,the devil FLEES!!! He KNOWS WHO JESUS IS!!! Amen?? But Again... Salvation cannot happen until God first DRAW man unto him...otherwise, confession will just come from the head and not from the heart. But, A HEART confession of Jesus comes when the HEART feels the DRAWING Power of God and the CONVICTION from God of our sins ,and our need for a Saviour..and THEN are we able to ask Jesus in....and MEAN it....and then, that is when Jesus thru the Power of His Holy Spirit , is able to come in and make permanent residence within our heart. This is how Salvation takes place....no forcing, no having to....God actually will bring you to the point where you become WILLING. God doesn't want robots coming to him, Abra...but only willing hearts. GOD is the One Who is able to help us become willing....at just the right time......and only He knows when that time Will be.
UNTIL GOD FIRST DRAWS them and CONVICTS them ALSO of their need for a Saviour, they are NOT saved yet, no matter how much they already believe in God ,and are even active in the church or ministry. 7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Takes faith and obedience to be saved. This right here verifies it. Regardless if the person has been first "called" or not. Once you submit yourself to God, the holy spirit dwells inside, then the Holy spirit will help you the rest of the way, for no man can save himself. |
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Cowboy wrote:
No there's no contradiction. Only misunderstanding. Jesus and the father are one. They share the same will, they operate in accordance with one another, they are one. In the same sense a family is one. There is a mom, dad, and a kid(s). But they are one, they are one family. Can you not see? All you've done here is give your own personal apologetic interpretations. This is NOT what's actually written in the Bible. What's actually written in the Bible is,... "I and the Father are One" In fact, in this very story the Jews then picked up stones to stone Jesus for blaspheme. What did Jesus do? Did Jesus give YOUR apologetic excuse that he simply meant that he has the same agenda as the father? No, he did not. On the contrary, Jesus pointed to a verse in the Torah,.... Is it not written in your law, "I said, Ye are gods?"? Instead of proclaiming YOUR apologetic excuse, Jesus proclaims that he wasn't claiming to be "God" anymore than any other moral man could claim to be "God". I have personally held this very fact up to be evidence that Jesus was indeed a pantheistic-minded Jew which supports my theory that he probably was educated in Mahayana Buddhism and attempting to teaching things from that perspective. ~~~~~ You always try to claim that everything is so 'simple and clear'. But it's nowhere near as cut-and-dried as you'd like to pretend. There are endless interpretations that can be taken from these stories. ~~~~~ Moreover, you totally ignored the one where Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM". ~~~~~ They wanted to stone him for blaspheme then too but he ran and hid. At least if you believe these stories. Personally I don't believe these stories verbatim. They make no sense as verbatim stories. Therefore at best they are most likely superstitious rumors. If Jesus had ever said anything like this he was probably attempting to convey a pantheistic view of life again. I doubt very much that the entire conversation unfolded the way these scripture claim (assuming that such things were ever said in any context). However, in any case, this is extremely problematic for anyone who is attempting to hold that Jesus was wasn't claiming to be the great "I AM". In fact, it's often these kinds of verses that they point to in an attempt to establish that he had indeed attempted to proclaim such things. ~~~~~ Actually if we accept your assertion that Jesus never claimed to be anything other than the "Son of God", then his special divinity would become highly questionable because after all if we take a closer look at the actual verse that Jesus pointed to in the Torah and read the WHOLE VERSE it actually states: "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" All are children of God. Therefore to claim to be the "Son of God" is not impressive. Any mortal man can make this claim and the Bible supports this view. In fact, this was Jesus very own defense and explanation for why he had referred to himself as the Son of God or even to be "One with God". Since it also says, "Ye are gods". So there is absolutely no merit for your claims. If there were no 'contradictions' as you claim, then Jesus was NOT claiming to be any more special than any other mortal man could claim. On the other hand, if you claim that Jesus was making claims to having some special divine status, then you've got major contradictions. It's a lose/lose situation for you. Trust me Cowboy I've been there! There is no way that these stories can be made to work. This was also the very same conclusion that the great Isaac Newton came to. It's hopeless to try to support these stories via arguments that the make some sort of sense and do not contain contradictions. They are riddle with contradictions and irresolvable paradoxes. And they most certainly aren't "clear" about anything. |
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Cowboy wrote:
No there's no contradiction. Only misunderstanding. Jesus and the father are one. They share the same will, they operate in accordance with one another, they are one. In the same sense a family is one. There is a mom, dad, and a kid(s). But they are one, they are one family. Can you not see? All you've done here is give your own personal apologetic interpretations. This is NOT what's actually written in the Bible. What's actually written in the Bible is,... "I and the Father are One" In fact, in this very story the Jews then picked up stones to stone Jesus for blaspheme. What did Jesus do? Did Jesus give YOUR apologetic excuse that he simply meant that he has the same agenda as the father? No, he did not. On the contrary, Jesus pointed to a verse in the Torah,.... Is it not written in your law, "I said, Ye are gods?"? Instead of proclaiming YOUR apologetic excuse, Jesus proclaims that he wasn't claiming to be "God" anymore than any other moral man could claim to be "God". I have personally held this very fact up to be evidence that Jesus was indeed a pantheistic-minded Jew which supports my theory that he probably was educated in Mahayana Buddhism and attempting to teaching things from that perspective. ~~~~~ You always try to claim that everything is so 'simple and clear'. But it's nowhere near as cut-and-dried as you'd like to pretend. There are endless interpretations that can be taken from these stories. ~~~~~ Moreover, you totally ignored the one where Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM". ~~~~~ They wanted to stone him for blaspheme then too but he ran and hid. At least if you believe these stories. Personally I don't believe these stories verbatim. They make no sense as verbatim stories. Therefore at best they are most likely superstitious rumors. If Jesus had ever said anything like this he was probably attempting to convey a pantheistic view of life again. I doubt very much that the entire conversation unfolded the way these scripture claim (assuming that such things were ever said in any context). However, in any case, this is extremely problematic for anyone who is attempting to hold that Jesus was wasn't claiming to be the great "I AM". In fact, it's often these kinds of verses that they point to in an attempt to establish that he had indeed attempted to proclaim such things. ~~~~~ Actually if we accept your assertion that Jesus never claimed to be anything other than the "Son of God", then his special divinity would become highly questionable because after all if we take a closer look at the actual verse that Jesus pointed to in the Torah and read the WHOLE VERSE it actually states: "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" All are children of God. Therefore to claim to be the "Son of God" is not impressive. Any mortal man can make this claim and the Bible supports this view. In fact, this was Jesus very own defense and explanation for why he had referred to himself as the Son of God or even to be "One with God". Since it also says, "Ye are gods". So there is absolutely no merit for your claims. If there were no 'contradictions' as you claim, then Jesus was NOT claiming to be any more special than any other mortal man could claim. On the other hand, if you claim that Jesus was making claims to having some special divine status, then you've got major contradictions. It's a lose/lose situation for you. Trust me Cowboy I've been there! There is no way that these stories can be made to work. This was also the very same conclusion that the great Isaac Newton came to. It's hopeless to try to support these stories via arguments that the make some sort of sense and do not contain contradictions. They are riddle with contradictions and irresolvable paradoxes. And they most certainly aren't "clear" about anything. Moreover, you totally ignored the one where Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM". I ignore nothing. John 1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Then we have. John 1:14 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ----- Jesus was in the very beginning, before Abraham. |
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Cowboy wrote:
No there's no contradiction. Only misunderstanding. Jesus and the father are one. They share the same will, they operate in accordance with one another, they are one. In the same sense a family is one. There is a mom, dad, and a kid(s). But they are one, they are one family. Can you not see? All you've done here is give your own personal apologetic interpretations. This is NOT what's actually written in the Bible. What's actually written in the Bible is,... "I and the Father are One" In fact, in this very story the Jews then picked up stones to stone Jesus for blaspheme. What did Jesus do? Did Jesus give YOUR apologetic excuse that he simply meant that he has the same agenda as the father? No, he did not. On the contrary, Jesus pointed to a verse in the Torah,.... Is it not written in your law, "I said, Ye are gods?"? Instead of proclaiming YOUR apologetic excuse, Jesus proclaims that he wasn't claiming to be "God" anymore than any other moral man could claim to be "God". I have personally held this very fact up to be evidence that Jesus was indeed a pantheistic-minded Jew which supports my theory that he probably was educated in Mahayana Buddhism and attempting to teaching things from that perspective. ~~~~~ You always try to claim that everything is so 'simple and clear'. But it's nowhere near as cut-and-dried as you'd like to pretend. There are endless interpretations that can be taken from these stories. ~~~~~ Moreover, you totally ignored the one where Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM". ~~~~~ They wanted to stone him for blaspheme then too but he ran and hid. At least if you believe these stories. Personally I don't believe these stories verbatim. They make no sense as verbatim stories. Therefore at best they are most likely superstitious rumors. If Jesus had ever said anything like this he was probably attempting to convey a pantheistic view of life again. I doubt very much that the entire conversation unfolded the way these scripture claim (assuming that such things were ever said in any context). However, in any case, this is extremely problematic for anyone who is attempting to hold that Jesus was wasn't claiming to be the great "I AM". In fact, it's often these kinds of verses that they point to in an attempt to establish that he had indeed attempted to proclaim such things. ~~~~~ Actually if we accept your assertion that Jesus never claimed to be anything other than the "Son of God", then his special divinity would become highly questionable because after all if we take a closer look at the actual verse that Jesus pointed to in the Torah and read the WHOLE VERSE it actually states: "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" All are children of God. Therefore to claim to be the "Son of God" is not impressive. Any mortal man can make this claim and the Bible supports this view. In fact, this was Jesus very own defense and explanation for why he had referred to himself as the Son of God or even to be "One with God". Since it also says, "Ye are gods". So there is absolutely no merit for your claims. If there were no 'contradictions' as you claim, then Jesus was NOT claiming to be any more special than any other mortal man could claim. On the other hand, if you claim that Jesus was making claims to having some special divine status, then you've got major contradictions. It's a lose/lose situation for you. Trust me Cowboy I've been there! There is no way that these stories can be made to work. This was also the very same conclusion that the great Isaac Newton came to. It's hopeless to try to support these stories via arguments that the make some sort of sense and do not contain contradictions. They are riddle with contradictions and irresolvable paradoxes. And they most certainly aren't "clear" about anything. If there were no 'contradictions' as you claim, then Jesus was NOT claiming to be any more special than any other mortal man could claim. Oh, but he is. He is the only "begotten" child of God. He is the only path to Heaven. He is the only judge. And much more. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 12/03/11 10:28 PM
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God is ONE BEING ( ENTITY ), but there are 3 PERSONS
WITHIN that ONE BEING ( Entity ), Cowboy. NOW listen very carefully now, Cowboy ....
I did NOT say God is 3 BEINGS (Entities) , within a FAMILY of BEINGS (Entities) !!! No. God is 3 Separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE BEING ( ENTITY ). 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD( ENTITY ) !!! That is WHY the PERSON of the Father is God. That is WHY the PERSON of Jesus is God. That is WHY the PERSON of The Holy Spirit is God. CAUSE ALL 3 OF THE PERSONS ARE RIGHT THERE ALL TOGETHER WITHIN ONE GOD. ALL 3 SEPARATE PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GOD (ENTITY), ARE ALSO ALL EQUALLY GOD!! (Meaning, EACH of the 3 separate Persons WITHIN the ONE Godhead (One God ), are EACH EQUALY AS MUCH GOD !!! NOW... there is still an ORDER Within the Godhead. Meaning.... God the Father is the FIRST PERSON,and will ALWAYS be FIRST. But again now..... just because the Father is first, does NOT make the other 2 persons of the Godhead, ANY LESS GOD. In fact, although the Father is the First Person,He gave ALL GLORY NOW to His Son Jesus ( the Second Person of the Godhead), BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US !!! But Jesus still will always remain the Second Person of the Godhead), and the Holy Spirit, Who is the Third Person, will always remain the Third Person of the Godhead. Meaning...GOD DOES NOT CHANGE... GOD IS THE SAME....YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVER. BUT NOW...there is one more thing...and this is the most AWESONE of All.... and Here It Is: Ready?
" For IN CHRIST ALL the FULNESS of the DEITY LIVES IN BODILY FORM." Colassians 2: 9 What does thst mean?? It means.... When You see God in Heaven... You Will SEE JESUS!!!!!
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God is ONE BEING ( ENTITY ), but there are 3 PERSONS WITHIN that ONE BEING ( Entity ), Cowboy. NOW listen very carefully now, Cowboy ....
I did NOT say God is 3 BEINGS (Entities) , within a FAMILY of BEINGS (Entities) !!! No. God is 3 Separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE BEING ( ENTITY ). 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD( ENTITY ) !!! That is WHY the PERSON of the Father is God. That is WHY the PERSON of Jesus is God. That is WHY the PERSON of The Holy Spirit is God. CAUSE ALL 3 OF THE PERSONS ARE RIGHT THERE ALL TOGETHER WITHIN ONE GOD. ALL 3 SEPARATE PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GOD (ENTITY), ARE ALSO ALL EQUALLY GOD!! (Meaning, EACH of the 3 separate Persons WITHIN the ONE Godhead (One God ), are EACH EQUALY AS MUCH GOD !!! NOW... there is still an ORDER Within the Godhead. Meaning.... God the Father is the FIRST PERSON,and will ALWAYS be FIRST. But again now..... just because the Father is first, does NOT make the other 2 persons of the Godhead, ANY LESS GOD. In fact, although the Father is the First Person,He gave ALL GLORY NOW to His Son Jesus ( the Second Person of the Godhead), BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US !!! But Jesus still will always remain the Second Person of the Godhead), and the Holy Spirit, Who is the Third Person, will always remain the Third Person of the Godhead. Meaning...GOD DOES NOT CHANCE... GOD IS THE SAME....YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVER. BUT NOW...there is one more thing...and this is the most AWESONE of All.... and Here It Is: Ready?
" For IN CHRIST ALL the FULNESS of the DEITY LIVES IN BODILY FORM." Colassians 2: 9 What does thst mean?? It means.... When You see God in Heaven... You Will SEE JESUS!!!!!
But there is a contradiction in that. God is 3 Separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE BEING ( ENTITY ). 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD( ENTITY ) !!! Definition of Entity - being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence Entity is singular. 3 persons can not make up one single "thing/being". |
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God is ONE BEING ( ENTITY ), but there are 3 PERSONS WITHIN that ONE BEING ( Entity ), Cowboy. NOW listen very carefully now, Cowboy ....
I did NOT say God is 3 BEINGS (Entities) , within a FAMILY of BEINGS (Entities) !!! No. God is 3 Separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE BEING ( ENTITY ). 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD( ENTITY ) !!! That is WHY the PERSON of the Father is God. That is WHY the PERSON of Jesus is God. That is WHY the PERSON of The Holy Spirit is God. CAUSE ALL 3 OF THE PERSONS ARE RIGHT THERE ALL TOGETHER WITHIN ONE GOD. ALL 3 SEPARATE PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GOD (ENTITY), ARE ALSO ALL EQUALLY GOD!! (Meaning, EACH of the 3 separate Persons WITHIN the ONE Godhead (One God ), are EACH EQUALY AS MUCH GOD !!! NOW... there is still an ORDER Within the Godhead. Meaning.... God the Father is the FIRST PERSON,and will ALWAYS be FIRST. But again now..... just because the Father is first, does NOT make the other 2 persons of the Godhead, ANY LESS GOD. In fact, although the Father is the First Person,He gave ALL GLORY NOW to His Son Jesus ( the Second Person of the Godhead), BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US !!! But Jesus still will always remain the Second Person of the Godhead), and the Holy Spirit, Who is the Third Person, will always remain the Third Person of the Godhead. Meaning...GOD DOES NOT CHANCE... GOD IS THE SAME....YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVER. BUT NOW...there is one more thing...and this is the most AWESONE of All.... and Here It Is: Ready?
" For IN CHRIST ALL the FULNESS of the DEITY LIVES IN BODILY FORM." Colassians 2: 9 What does thst mean?? It means.... When You see God in Heaven... You Will SEE JESUS!!!!!
But there is a contradiction in that. God is 3 Separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE BEING ( ENTITY ). 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD( ENTITY ) !!! Definition of Entity - being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence Entity is singular. 3 persons can not make up one single "thing/being". How so? A Labor Union is an 'entity' comprised of many sub-entites. The Union of the People of the United States of American is an 'entity' comprised of many sub-enties and contains as one of these, the 'entity' of Labor Union. God not only Is a three part union... God also contains as a sub-entity... ME. and you. |
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God is ONE BEING ( ENTITY ), but there are 3 PERSONS WITHIN that ONE BEING ( Entity ), Cowboy. NOW listen very carefully now, Cowboy ....
I did NOT say God is 3 BEINGS (Entities) , within a FAMILY of BEINGS (Entities) !!! No. God is 3 Separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE BEING ( ENTITY ). 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD( ENTITY ) !!! That is WHY the PERSON of the Father is God. That is WHY the PERSON of Jesus is God. That is WHY the PERSON of The Holy Spirit is God. CAUSE ALL 3 OF THE PERSONS ARE RIGHT THERE ALL TOGETHER WITHIN ONE GOD. ALL 3 SEPARATE PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GOD (ENTITY), ARE ALSO ALL EQUALLY GOD!! (Meaning, EACH of the 3 separate Persons WITHIN the ONE Godhead (One God ), are EACH EQUALY AS MUCH GOD !!! NOW... there is still an ORDER Within the Godhead. Meaning.... God the Father is the FIRST PERSON,and will ALWAYS be FIRST. But again now..... just because the Father is first, does NOT make the other 2 persons of the Godhead, ANY LESS GOD. In fact, although the Father is the First Person,He gave ALL GLORY NOW to His Son Jesus ( the Second Person of the Godhead), BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US !!! But Jesus still will always remain the Second Person of the Godhead), and the Holy Spirit, Who is the Third Person, will always remain the Third Person of the Godhead. Meaning...GOD DOES NOT CHANCE... GOD IS THE SAME....YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVER. BUT NOW...there is one more thing...and this is the most AWESONE of All.... and Here It Is: Ready?
" For IN CHRIST ALL the FULNESS of the DEITY LIVES IN BODILY FORM." Colassians 2: 9 What does thst mean?? It means.... When You see God in Heaven... You Will SEE JESUS!!!!!
But there is a contradiction in that. God is 3 Separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE BEING ( ENTITY ). 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD( ENTITY ) !!! Definition of Entity - being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence Entity is singular. 3 persons can not make up one single "thing/being". How so? A Labor Union is an 'entity' comprised of many sub-entites. The Union of the People of the United States of American is an 'entity' comprised of many sub-enties and contains as one of these, the 'entity' of Labor Union. God not only Is a three part union... God also contains as a sub-entity... ME. and you. A Labor Union is an 'entity' comprised of many sub-entites No it is not. Entity - being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence Notice, INDEPENDENT and SEPARATE. An entity is singular. It is not a people or a group of people. |
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God is ONE BEING ( ENTITY ), but there are 3 PERSONS WITHIN that ONE BEING ( Entity ), Cowboy. NOW listen very carefully now, Cowboy ....
I did NOT say God is 3 BEINGS (Entities) , within a FAMILY of BEINGS (Entities) !!! No. God is 3 Separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE BEING ( ENTITY ). 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD( ENTITY ) !!! That is WHY the PERSON of the Father is God. That is WHY the PERSON of Jesus is God. That is WHY the PERSON of The Holy Spirit is God. CAUSE ALL 3 OF THE PERSONS ARE RIGHT THERE ALL TOGETHER WITHIN ONE GOD. ALL 3 SEPARATE PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GOD (ENTITY), ARE ALSO ALL EQUALLY GOD!! (Meaning, EACH of the 3 separate Persons WITHIN the ONE Godhead (One God ), are EACH EQUALY AS MUCH GOD !!! NOW... there is still an ORDER Within the Godhead. Meaning.... God the Father is the FIRST PERSON,and will ALWAYS be FIRST. But again now..... just because the Father is first, does NOT make the other 2 persons of the Godhead, ANY LESS GOD. In fact, although the Father is the First Person,He gave ALL GLORY NOW to His Son Jesus ( the Second Person of the Godhead), BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US !!! But Jesus still will always remain the Second Person of the Godhead), and the Holy Spirit, Who is the Third Person, will always remain the Third Person of the Godhead. Meaning...GOD DOES NOT CHANCE... GOD IS THE SAME....YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVER. BUT NOW...there is one more thing...and this is the most AWESONE of All.... and Here It Is: Ready?
" For IN CHRIST ALL the FULNESS of the DEITY LIVES IN BODILY FORM." Colassians 2: 9 What does thst mean?? It means.... When You see God in Heaven... You Will SEE JESUS!!!!!
But there is a contradiction in that. God is 3 Separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE BEING ( ENTITY ). 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD( ENTITY ) !!! Definition of Entity - being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence Entity is singular. 3 persons can not make up one single "thing/being". How so? A Labor Union is an 'entity' comprised of many sub-entites. The Union of the People of the United States of American is an 'entity' comprised of many sub-enties and contains as one of these, the 'entity' of Labor Union. God not only Is a three part union... God also contains as a sub-entity... ME. and you. A Labor Union is an 'entity' comprised of many sub-entites No it is not. Entity - being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence Notice, INDEPENDENT and SEPARATE. An entity is singular. It is not a people or a group of people. Also notice "BEING". Does not say "BEINGS". Just being, which is singular. |
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God is ONE BEING ( ENTITY ), but there are an infinite number of PERSONS WITHIN that ONE BEING ( Entity ).
That would be us, his children. |
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God is ONE BEING ( ENTITY ), but there are an infinite number of PERSONS WITHIN that ONE BEING ( Entity ). That would be us, his children. Sorry, but that doesn't even make sense. One being is just that, one being. |
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Not a single thing that exists within existance is 'singular'.
A crab is a 'being' (and consists of many sub-entities called molecules). I am a being (yet I contain may sub-enties called bacteria). so I must ask... Why? Why is it that I MUST accept your concept of 'entity' simply because a book said it to be so. (and my observation says otherwise). Why...? |
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Jeanniebean
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God is ONE BEING ( ENTITY ), but there are an infinite number of PERSONS WITHIN that ONE BEING ( Entity ). That would be us, his children. Sorry, but that doesn't even make sense. One being is just that, one being. A personality (or person) is not the same as a living being or an entity. |
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For example, an embryo is an entity or living being. It is not yet a person or personality.
A cell is a living entity or being. It can live separate from the body in a petri dish, it can eat and grow and divide. It is not a person. |
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Not a single thing that exists within existance is 'singular'. A crab is a 'being' (and consists of many sub-entities called molecules). I am a being (yet I contain may sub-enties called bacteria). so I must ask... Why? Why is it that I MUST accept your concept of 'entity' simply because a book said it to be so. (and my observation says otherwise). Why...? No, a molecule is not an "entity". It does not think, it does not breath, if fits nothing in the definition of what an entity is. Same with all the other examples. The smaller "particles" are not "entities". They are controlled by your brain, they have no "thought" of their own. |
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Not a single thing that exists within existance is 'singular'. A crab is a 'being' (and consists of many sub-entities called molecules). I am a being (yet I contain may sub-enties called bacteria). so I must ask... Why? Why is it that I MUST accept your concept of 'entity' simply because a book said it to be so. (and my observation says otherwise). Why...? No, a molecule is not an "entity". It does not think, it does not breath, if fits nothing in the definition of what an entity is. Same with all the other examples. The smaller "particles" are not "entities". They are controlled by your brain, they have no "thought" of their own. You do not know this for a fact. You do not even know what "thought" is. |
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Not a single thing that exists within existance is 'singular'. A crab is a 'being' (and consists of many sub-entities called molecules). I am a being (yet I contain may sub-enties called bacteria). so I must ask... Why? Why is it that I MUST accept your concept of 'entity' simply because a book said it to be so. (and my observation says otherwise). Why...? No, a molecule is not an "entity". It does not think, it does not breath, if fits nothing in the definition of what an entity is. Same with all the other examples. The smaller "particles" are not "entities". They are controlled by your brain, they have no "thought" of their own. You do not know this for a fact. You do not even know what "thought" is. "thought" is past tense of think. And think - to form or have in the mind which can not be done by a cell for it does not have a brain. It is automatically programmed to do something, such as a computer script. The molecule does only what it is programmed to do, it can not learn, it has no "thought". |
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