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Topic: Where in the Genesis is Jesus - part 2
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 12/23/11 05:03 PM
When did I claim that? What in the world are you talking about? Jesus did die for us, he felt the pain of death for everyone of us. didn't you claim that Jesus is still alive....that would mean that he didn't die ... He resurrected, he defeated death, it could not hold his soul. Death can't hold my soul either.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 05:07 PM
The word "god" is not a being, it is a descriptive word of the being in mention. That's why there is God the Father and God the Son. And they are one God. Dude which church did you attend....did the pastor have hoofs? but anyway...if God is only a descriptive word as you keep claiming.....then let's see you not use it anymore would you like to make a vow not to use it again atleast here in Mingles2 .....let's see you put your tithes....oops ...I meant let's see you put your money where your mouth is.... if you can't...then stop doing the work of Satan by claiming that God is only a title We do not know God's name, so in turn we refer to God as just that, God. Jesus only referred to his father as his father and his God, he did not give a name. So when speaking about him, to show who we are referring to, we must call him "God" as again, we know not his name. according to you his name is The Father, Jesus and The Holy Spirit....so there is no need to use the term God since according to you it's nothing more than just a title of authority so are you going to stop using the term God here in Mingle2? I NEVER said his name was The Father, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit. Those are titles just as the word "God" is. Cowboy....remember you said that Jesus was God.....oh oh....seems like you made another contradiction No contradiction. Only again your misunderstandings. Jesus is OUR God. Again "God" is not an entity in it's own. "God's" name would not be specifically Jesus as even while Jesus was on the cross he yelled out "My God". Would it have made much sense if he would have yelled out "Jesus"? if you claim that the name of God is Jesus...then there is no reason to use the term "God"....so are you willing to stop using it atleast here in mingle2? Why would I? a false idol worshipper couldn't .....they would find that it's impossible to do those the wrote the bible made sure that no one could claim that their false idol was the God in Genesis during the 6 days of Creation and this is why they did not place any other name there but "GOD" but anyway you're failure to comply with the request to no longer use the term "God" in Mingle2 was my way to make you see the light as to why there is no mention of any Lord God, or Yahweh or Jehovah, or The Word during the 6 days of Creation anyone or anything that claim to be God but did not have the power of God would automatically proved theirselves to be a false idol but anyway you're failure to comply with the request to no longer use the term "God" in Mingle2 was my way to make you see the light as to why there is no mention of any Lord God, or Yahweh or Jehovah, or The Word during the 6 days of Creation Now you're lying again? For one, in the KJV it specifically says "These are the days when the LORD God made Earth and Heaven". Secondly if you refer to the original scriptures, most everywhere the word "god" is used, is in place of Yehweh.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 12/23/11 05:28 PM
no where Capital LORD they used for YHWH which phonically is Yahweh in the OT. g-d is usually Elohim in the OT. the NT they used different rules which are much harder to see but G-d in the NT is usually Yahweh but not always Shalom..Miles

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Fri 12/23/11 06:22 PM Edited by MorningSong on Fri 12/23/11 06:39 PM
.............Question: "Why does God refer to Himself in the plural in Genesis 1:26 and 3:22?"............... Answer: Genesis 1:26 says, “Then GOD said, 'Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'” Genesis 3:22 states, "And the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of US...'" There are other Scriptures in the Old Testament that refer to God using the plural. It is also interesting to note that "ELOHIM," one of the primary titles of God in the Old Testament (occurring over 2500 times), is in the plural. Some people have used these scriptures to hypothesize that there is more than one God. We can rule out polytheism (belief in multiple gods), because that would contradict countless other Scriptures that tell us that GOD IS ONE and that THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. Three times in Isaiah 45 alone, He states: “I AM the LORD, and there is NO OTHER ; there is NO GOD BESIDES ME ” (vv. 5,6,18). A second possible explanation is that God was referring to the angels by saying "us" and "our." However, the Bible nowhere states that angels have the same "image" or "likeness" as God (see Genesis 1:26). That description is given to humanity alone. Since the Bible, and the New Testament especially, presents God as a Trinity (three Persons but only one God), Genesis 1:26 and 3:22 can only represent a conversation within the Trinity. God the Father is having a "conversation" with God the Son and/or God the Holy Spirit. The Old Testament hints at the plurality of God, and the New Testament clarifies this plurality with the doctrine of the Trinity. Obviously, there is no way we can fully understand how this works – but God has given us enough information to know that He does exist in three Persons, - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. AND THE 3 DISTINCT PERSONS MAKE UP ONLY ONE GOD !!!!!!!! THE FATHER IS GOD. JESUS (WORD) IS GOD HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD. BUT ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE GODHEAD , WHO ARE EACH EQUALLY GOD, ALL TOGETHER MAKE UP ONLY ONE GOD !!! WE FIND USING THE WORD , PERSONS, IS THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN THE 3 SEPARATE DISTINCTIONS WITHIN ONE GOD. NOT 3 SEPARATE PARTS, BUT 3 DISTINCT SEPARAE PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD. ALL 3 PERSONS ARE EQUALLY GOD...AND ALL THREE PERSONS ARE IN ONE GOD !! NOT NOT NOT 3 PERSONS UNDER JUST SOME TITLE OF GOD......NOOOO !!! NOT 3 PERSONS UNDER JUST SOME UMBRELLA OF GOD.....NOOOO !!! BUT 3 PERSONS IN ONE GOD ALMIGHTY !! 3 PERSONS IN ONE SUPREME BEING !!! 3 PERSONS IN ONE ENTITY !!!! 3 PERSONS IN ONE GOD !!!!!!!!!! THERE....IS.....ONLY.....ONE.....G0D.....WE......SERVE !!!!!!!!!! PS..THE USE OF THE WORD, PERSONS , IS NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH HUMAN PERSONS NOW.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 06:39 PM
.............Question: "Why does God refer to Himself in the plural in Genesis 1:26 and 3:22?"............... Answer: Genesis 1:26 says, “Then GOD said, 'Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'” Genesis 3:22 states, "And the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of US...'" There are other Scriptures in the Old Testament that refer to God using the plural. It is also interesting to note that "ELOHIM," one of the primary titles of God in the Old Testament (occurring over 2500 times), is in the plural. Some people have used these scriptures to hypothesize that there is more than one God. We can rule out polytheism (belief in multiple gods), because that would contradict countless other Scriptures that tell us that GOD IS ONE and that THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. Three times in Isaiah 45 alone, He states: “I AM the LORD, and there is NO OTHER ; there is NO GOD BESIDES ME ” (vv. 5,6,18). A second possible explanation is that God was referring to the angels by saying "us" and "our." However, the Bible nowhere states that angels have the same "image" or "likeness" as God (see Genesis 1:26). That description is given to humanity alone. Since the Bible, and the New Testament especially, presents God as a Trinity (three Persons but only one God), Genesis 1:26 and 3:22 can only represent a conversation within the Trinity. God the Father is having a "conversation" with God the Son and/or God the Holy Spirit. The Old Testament hints at the plurality of God, and the New Testament clarifies this plurality with the doctrine of the Trinity. Obviously, there is no way we can fully understand how this works – but God has given us enough information to know that He does exist in three Persons, - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. AND THE 3 DISTINCT PERSONS MAKE UP ONLY ONE GOD !!!!!!!! THE FATHER IS GOD. JESUS (WORD) IS GOD HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD. BUT ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE GODHEAD , WHO ARE EACH EQUALLY GOD, ALL TOGETHER MAKE UP ONLY ONE GOD !!! NOT NOT NOT UNDER JUST SOME TITLE OF GOD......NOOOO !!! NOT UNDER JUST SOME UMBRELLA OF GOD.....NOOOO !!! BUT ONE GOD ALMIGHTY !! ONE SUPREME BEING !!! ONE ENTITY !!!! ONE GOD !!!!!!!!!! THERE....IS.....ONLY.....ONE.....G0D.....WE......SERVE !!!!!!!!!! BUT ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE GODHEAD , WHO ARE EACH EQUALLY GOD, ALL TOGETHER MAKE UP ONLY ONE GOD !!! NOT NOT NOT UNDER JUST SOME TITLE OF GOD......NOOOO !!! NOT UNDER JUST SOME UMBRELLA OF GOD.....NOOOO !!! God is relatively the same as the word "government". The USA has ONE "government". Yes is made up of multiple people. We don't follow the 50+ different governments in the USA, we follow ONE government in the USA. Same with God, it is made up of three separate persons. We can see they are not one "entity" as they all three are present and made aware of in multiple places. Now Jesus and the Holy Spirit don't do the will of the father out of duress or anything, they do it out of love, but still same concept.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Fri 12/23/11 06:47 PM Edited by MorningSong on Fri 12/23/11 06:58 PM
NO....NOT a government!! A GOVERNEMENT STILL HAS SEPARATE PARTS OR UNITS UNDER AN UMBRELLA OF ONE GOVERNMENT. GOD IS NOT 3 SEPARATE PARTS OR UNITS IN ONE. GOD IS 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONLY ONE GOD !!! ONE GOD...THOSE 3 SEPARATE PERSONS ARE ACTUALLY ALL JUST ONE GOD !!! AND ALL 3 PERSONS MAKE UP ONLY ONE ENTITY ..OR ONE SUPREME BEING...OR ONE GOD !!![ I THOUGHT YOU HAD FINALLY GOTTEN THIS, COWBOY !!! I AM GOING TO LEAVE THIS WITH GOD NOW...ACTUALLY, IT IS ONLY GOD , AND GOD ALONE, WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE THIS CLEAR TO YOU !!! MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL NOW......AND MAY ALL HAVE A BLESSED NEW YEAR !!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 06:52 PM
NO....NOT a government!! A GOVERNEMENT STILL HAS SEPARATE PARTS OR UNITS UNDER AN UMBRELLA OF ONE GOVERNMENT. GOD IS NOT 3 SEPARATE PARTS OR UNITS IN ONE. GOD IS 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD !!! ONE GOD...THOSE 3 SEPARATE PERSONS ARE ACTUALLY ALL JUST ONE GOD !!! Yes, we gather that much. And every separate PERSONS of the government make up just one government. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are NOT ONE ENTITY as you try to show. ALL three are physically present as them self, in multiple certain scriptures.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 06:57 PM
NO....NOT a government!! A GOVERNEMENT STILL HAS SEPARATE PARTS OR UNITS UNDER AN UMBRELLA OF ONE GOVERNMENT. GOD IS NOT 3 SEPARATE PARTS OR UNITS IN ONE. GOD IS 3 PERSONS WITHIN ONE GOD !!! ONE GOD...THOSE 3 SEPARATE PERSONS ARE ACTUALLY ALL JUST ONE GOD !!! Yes, we gather that much. And every separate PERSONS of the government make up just one government. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are NOT ONE ENTITY as you try to show. ALL three are physically present as them self, in multiple certain scriptures. We can see this in multiple different scriptures, including but no limited to. Luke 22:42 42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Fri 12/23/11 07:05 PM
Cowboy,IF you STILL think they are not One Entity...then you never " got it" afterall.... I honestly thought you finally finally finally understood.....but I see now you still don't. Believe as you wish...I am done trying to explain. Only God can show you now.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 07:07 PM
Cowboy,IF you STILL think they are not One Entity...then you never " got it" afterall.... I honestly thought you finally finally finally understood.....but I see now you still don't. Believe as you wish...I am done trying to explain. Only God can show you now. Yahweh, the God of the Israelites, his name being revealed to Moses as four Hebrew CONSONANTS (YHWH) CALLED THE TETRAGRAMMATON. AFTER THE EXILE (6TH CENTURY BC), and especially from the 3rd century BC on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh for two reasons. As Judaism became a universal religion through its proselytizing in the Greco-Roman world, the more common noun elohim, meaning "god," tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel's God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered; it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai ("My Lord"), which was translated as Kyrios ("Lord") in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament And is why the bible just says "god" instead of using the Father's name.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 07:09 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Fri 12/23/11 07:10 PM
Cowboy,IF you STILL think they are not One Entity...then you never " got it" afterall.... I honestly thought you finally finally finally understood.....but I see now you still don't. Believe as you wish...I am done trying to explain. Only God can show you now. It has nothing to do with me "not getting it". Again explain so we can be absolutely clear on this. If they are one "entity", how can they all three be present in the same place, at the same time? If they are all three one "person(s)" question remains.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Fri 12/23/11 07:36 PM Edited by MorningSong on Fri 12/23/11 07:40 PM
They are 3 Persons in One ENTITY. The 3 persons make up ONE God. Remember the other day we talked about the 3 distinctions or 3 persons , That made up ONLY ONE ENTITY or One Supreme Being ? or ONE GOD?? God is Omnipotent and Omnipresent and Omniscient.....along with a whole host of other Attributes.....His ways are higher than ours.... don't try to bring God down to your understanding..GOD is more than able to be 3 persons in ONE ENTITIY..OR ONE GOD!!!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 07:38 PM
They are 3 Persons in One ENTITY. The 3 persons make up ONE God. Remember the other day we talked about the 3 distinctions or 3 persons , That made up ONLY ONE ENTITY or One Supreme Being ? or ONE GOD?? God is Omnipotent and Omnipresent..His ways are higher than ours.... True, never disagreed. Never said different. They are only ONE God.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Fri 12/23/11 07:41 PM Edited by MorningSong on Fri 12/23/11 07:55 PM
COWBOY WROTE: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are NOT ONE ENTITY as you try to show. GOD IS 3 PERSONS IN ONE ENTITY !!! GOD IS ONE ENTITY !!! GOD IS ONE SUPREME BRING !!! YOO MEAN GOD AS A GOVERNMENT....GOD IS NOT A GOVERNMENT...GOD IS ONE SUPREME BEING ONLY !!!!!! GO TO GOD IN PRAYER...ASK GOD TO SHOW YOU THE TRUTH OF HIS WORD NOW.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 07:59 PM
COWBOY WROTE: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are NOT ONE ENTITY as you try to show. GOD IS 3 PERSONS IN ONE ENTITY !!! GOD IS ONE ENTITY !!! GOD IS ONE SUPREME BRING !!! YOO MEAN GOD AS A GOVERNMENT....GOD IS NOT A GOVERNMENT...GOD IS ONE SUPREME BEING ONLY !!!!!! GO TO GOD IN PRAYER...ASK GOD TO SHOW YOU THE TRUTH OF HIS WORD NOW. Yes God is one entity, the original scriptures the term "God" is replacing Yahweh. So yes, Yahweh is one supreme being.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Fri 12/23/11 08:08 PM Edited by MorningSong on Fri 12/23/11 08:09 PM
COWBOY....YOU GO BACK AND FORTH ...BACK AND FORTH ... BACK AND FORTH...WHERE YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF WITH THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE YOU MAKE.... JUST ABOVE, YOU SAID THE FATHER SON AND HOLY SPRIT ARE NOT ONE ENTITY...NOW YOU SAY THEY ARE ONE ENTITY..MEXT MINUTE YOU WIL PROBABLY SAY THEY AREN'T AGAIN....WAYY TOO CONFUSING..... I AM GONNA PRAY AND SAY NO MORE. LEAVING FOR CHRISTMAS NOW..... TAKE CARE....

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 08:10 PM
COWBOY WROTE: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are NOT ONE ENTITY as you try to show. GOD IS 3 PERSONS IN ONE ENTITY !!! GOD IS ONE ENTITY !!! GOD IS ONE SUPREME BRING !!! YOO MEAN GOD AS A GOVERNMENT....GOD IS NOT A GOVERNMENT...GOD IS ONE SUPREME BEING ONLY !!!!!! GO TO GOD IN PRAYER...ASK GOD TO SHOW YOU THE TRUTH OF HIS WORD NOW. Yes God is one entity, the original scriptures the term "God" is replacing Yahweh. So yes, Yahweh is one supreme being. The word YHWH appears 6,823 times in the Old Testament text. Most of the time the King James Version translated it as LORD, using capital letters to indicate it has special meaning beyond the English word "lord." About a half-dozen times it was transliterated as Jehovah; mostly to avoid places where the real word for "lord" proceeded YHWH or where the abbreviation for YHWH, Yah proceeded YHWH. Saying the Lord LORD was too awkward, so it became the Lord Jehovah or the LORD Jehovah. The American Standard Version was more consistent. It translated YHWH as Jehovah 5818 times.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 08:14 PM
COWBOY....YOU GO BACK AND FORTH ...BACK AND FORTH ... BACK AND FORTH...WHERE YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF WITH THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE YOU MAKE.... JUST ABOVE, YOU SAID THE FATHER SON AND HOLY SPRIT ARE NOT ONE ENTITY...NOW YOU SAY THEY ARE ONE ENTITY..MEXT MINUTE YOU WIL PROBABLY SAY THEY AREN'T AGAIN....WAYY TOO CONFUSING..... I AM GONNA PRAY AND SAY NO MORE. LEAVING FOR CHRISTMAS NOW..... TAKE CARE.... I NEVER said they were one entity. "God" is not an entity. It is again a title, this especially shows in the new findings I have found that "God" replaces YHWH 6,823 times. YHWH is "God", he is the supreme being, above all others, he is "God". Jesus is our "LORD". He is also OUR supreme being, he is above all of us, he is our "God". That is why Jesus isn't referred to as just "god". He is referred to as "THY God, YOUR God".

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 08:17 PM
COWBOY....YOU GO BACK AND FORTH ...BACK AND FORTH ... BACK AND FORTH...WHERE YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF WITH THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE YOU MAKE.... JUST ABOVE, YOU SAID THE FATHER SON AND HOLY SPRIT ARE NOT ONE ENTITY...NOW YOU SAY THEY ARE ONE ENTITY..MEXT MINUTE YOU WIL PROBABLY SAY THEY AREN'T AGAIN....WAYY TOO CONFUSING..... I AM GONNA PRAY AND SAY NO MORE. LEAVING FOR CHRISTMAS NOW..... TAKE CARE.... Yes it may seem I go back and forth back and forth. But in all honesty I don't. I don't claim to know all truths, or all knowledge. I LEARN. I know what I know and nothing more. If what I know is one thing, then I'm shown that it's false, I now know the truth and not the false thought I once had. How is one suppose to "grow" in the word, if they do not learn something new?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/23/11 08:38 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Fri 12/23/11 08:39 PM
COWBOY....YOU GO BACK AND FORTH ...BACK AND FORTH ... BACK AND FORTH...WHERE YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF WITH THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE YOU MAKE.... JUST ABOVE, YOU SAID THE FATHER SON AND HOLY SPRIT ARE NOT ONE ENTITY...NOW YOU SAY THEY ARE ONE ENTITY..MEXT MINUTE YOU WIL PROBABLY SAY THEY AREN'T AGAIN....WAYY TOO CONFUSING..... I AM GONNA PRAY AND SAY NO MORE. LEAVING FOR CHRISTMAS NOW..... TAKE CARE.... Yes it may seem I go back and forth back and forth. But in all honesty I don't. I don't claim to know all truths, or all knowledge. I LEARN. I know what I know and nothing more. If what I know is one thing, then I'm shown that it's false, I now know the truth and not the false thought I once had. How is one suppose to "grow" in the word, if they do not learn something new? And on top of that, I never said they were one entity today. Them being one God does not mean one "entity", one "person", one "being". Means just that, one God, one authority, as in they are the ones that have authority over us and no us over them. They are the ones in charge. And yes it's a they, "make man in OUR image."