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16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the >>>>>fourth day.<<<<< hmmm??? WELL LET'S SEE - HE HAS ALREADY CREATED THE "EARTH" BEFORE HE CREATED THE SUN? earth before the sun? Plant's are growing, seed's are germinating, fruit is ripening, HMMMMM? how is this possible ?????? 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the >>>>>third day.<<<<< 3rd day no sun? 4th day sun? kinda goes against everything we know about the average plants and fruits needing >>>>>>>>>>SUNLIGHT<<<<<<<<<<< for photosynthsis wouldn't you say? also goes against cosmology, no? is this another "the world is flat"!!!! oversight by the book writers???? ahh, so many to choose from - what will we do? 
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Wow! nothing like puting your faith in man
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(commandment) and will worship no gods before me...gods!! there's more than one!!!!......i always thought so.............so .....what happened to them? i wanna know more!! what happened to those gods....this place is waaaay too big for just one.
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Hmmmm, interesting tribo, I hadn't honestly considered that.......
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Edited by
tribo
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Mon 09/15/08 11:22 AM
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(commandment) and will worship no gods before me...gods!! there's more than one!!!!......i always thought so.............so .....what happened to them? i wanna know more!! what happened to those gods....this place is waaaay too big for just one. Tsilugi[welcome] oginali [my friend] ask our first people - uisligi [dark] ugugu [owl], their estimation is as good as anyone Else's. god's could also refer to other things man worshipped such as trees and animals, etc.. - just a thought. nuwadodiyadu [peace] |
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indeed questions of wisdom that lead to more, as no doubt the interpretations of all such things of text thus far DO NOT hold to any whole logic, and conflict with any truth of any reality, and why such things as interpreted thus far are totally misleading, even leading to "illusions of wishes" of what is, lol...........
indeed the earth was as already formed, and all things are not just physical, but all things physical shadow the metophorical or "spiritual unseen realm....... the greater and lessor lights to rule over the day and night could only be the "two energies" as "two sprits" of "holy spirit" and "spirit of god" that make all "perception" of mankind, or RULE OVER THE EARTH, or divide all into two, good and bad........ a perception that see all "bad" as night, that is lessor, and the perception that see good as day as greater, being the same as saying the "GOOD FOLLOWED AS DAY, AS GOOD AND PROFITABLE, WILL BE THE GREATER SIGHT OF ALL MANKIND PEERED THRU...... AND EVIL FOLLOWED AS NIGHT AS GOOD WILL BE THE LESSOR PERCEPTION OF ALL MANKIND......... wonder why many times in text the "holy spirit" was called as a "holy ghost", the same as to say, "ghosts of holy", lol...... and the "spirit of god" was called as seeing ALL EQUAL, OR NOT THRU TWO SPIRITS, BUT ACCEPTING ALL AS DATS TO MAKE AS ONE STREAM OF THOUGHT, THAT MUST BE INCORPORATED TO LEAD TO ANY GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF UNSEEN THINGS OF CREATION..... do not all things in the universe have TWO, opposites that exist..... if i discard HOT as less, can i ever have a understanding of HOT, needed to even SEE THE TOTAL ABILITY OF COLD, and as such then would have no abilitiy to truly "connect or complete" understanding, to have the ability to CREATE WARM...... just ideas man.....peace |
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thanks David, my friend, for your input.
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16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the >>>>>fourth day.<<<<< hmmm??? WELL LET'S SEE - HE HAS ALREADY CREATED THE "EARTH" BEFORE HE CREATED THE SUN? earth before the sun? Plant's are growing, seed's are germinating, fruit is ripening, HMMMMM? how is this possible ?????? 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the >>>>>third day.<<<<< 3rd day no sun? 4th day sun? kinda goes against everything we know about the average plants and fruits needing >>>>>>>>>>SUNLIGHT<<<<<<<<<<< for photosynthsis wouldn't you say? also goes against cosmology, no? is this another "the world is flat"!!!! oversight by the book writers???? ahh, so many to choose from - what will we do?
Well - since you asked. The world was assumed to be flat by those who didn't bother to read the book - by the way. Just like those who insist that there were 3 wise men. The first thing created was light. Oddly omitted from your scenario. You've been reading too many of Abra's posts. So - like the magicman, are these basic facts going to disappear from your logic as well? Apparently you are assuming as well that the God who creates cannot susstain for a day of two? When was the last time you walked outside after it hadn't rained for a frew days to find every plant and shrub tree around you dead for lack of water? Which one of my faculties would you like me to suspend to follow your line of reasoning? And I recall my roomate back in San Francisco growing pretty healthy weed in our basement without a lick of sun. Not a single beam. How did that happen? |
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Well - since you asked. The world was assumed to be flat by those who didn't bother to read the book - by the way. Just like those who insist that there were 3 wise men. The first thing created was light. Oddly omitted from your scenario. You've been reading too many of Abra's posts. So - like the magicman, are these basic facts going to disappear from your logic as well? Apparently you are assuming as well that the God who creates cannot susstain for a day of two? When was the last time you walked outside after it hadn't rained for a frew days to find every plant and shrub tree around you dead for lack of water? Which one of my faculties would you like me to suspend to follow your line of reasoning? And I recall my roomate back in San Francisco growing pretty healthy weed in our basement without a lick of sun. Not a single beam. How did that happen? Plant lamp. 
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Tribo here is another blast from the past. Boy these Sumerians sure would have had a potential lawsuit dont ya think? Perhaps some copyright infringement issues?
The Sumerian creation myth, the earliest account of the Sumerian creation and Flood myth, is found on a single fragmentary tablet excavated in Nippur, sometimes called the Eridu Genesis. It is written in the Sumerian language and datable by its script to the 18th century BC (First Dynasty of Babylon, where the language of writing and administration was still Sumerian). The tablet was published in 1914 by Arno Poebel. Summary Where the tablet picks up, the gods An, Enlil, Enki and Ninhursanga create the Sumerians (the "black-headed people") and the animals. Then kingship descends from heaven and the first cities are founded - Eridu, Bad-tibira, Larsa, Sippar, and Shuruppak. After a missing section in the tablet, we learn that the gods have decided to send a flood to destroy mankind. Zi-ud-sura, the king and gudug priest, learns of this. (In the later Akkadian version, Ea, or Enki in Sumerian, the god of the waters, warns the hero (Atra-hasis in this case) and gives him instructions for the ark. This is missing in the Sumerian fragment, but a mention of Enki taking counsel with himself suggests that this is Enki's role in the Sumerian version as well.) When the tablet resumes it is describing the flood. A terrible storm rocks the huge boat for seven days and seven nights, then Utu (the Sun god) appears and Zi-ud-sura creates an opening in the boat, prostrates himself, and sacrifices oxen and sheep. After another break the text resumes, the flood is apparently over, the animals disembark and Zi-ud-sura prostrates himself before An (sky-god) and Enlil (chief of the gods), who give him eternal life and take him to dwell in Dilmun for "preserving the animals and the seed of mankind". The remainder of the poem is lost. (translation of the text)[1] Legacy Flood myths with many similarities to the Sumerian story appear widely in subsequent Ancient Near Eastern mythologies: including the Atrahasis myth, the Utnapishtim episode in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the biblical Noah story. Deities (or a deity) create the animals and human beings, but people anger the god(s), so they decide to wipe out the world with a flood. A divine being warns one pious person of the impending flood and tells him to build a very large boat, and with it he preserves the animals and mankind from extinction. In the end the god(s) reward him for his actions. |
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Edited by
tribo
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Mon 09/15/08 02:27 PM
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16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the >>>>>fourth day.<<<<< hmmm??? WELL LET'S SEE - HE HAS ALREADY CREATED THE "EARTH" BEFORE HE CREATED THE SUN? earth before the sun? Plant's are growing, seed's are germinating, fruit is ripening, HMMMMM? how is this possible ?????? 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the >>>>>third day.<<<<< 3rd day no sun? 4th day sun? kinda goes against everything we know about the average plants and fruits needing >>>>>>>>>>SUNLIGHT<<<<<<<<<<< for photosynthsis wouldn't you say? also goes against cosmology, no? is this another "the world is flat"!!!! oversight by the book writers???? ahh, so many to choose from - what will we do?
Well - since you asked. The world was assumed to be flat by those who didn't bother to read the book - by the way. Just like those who insist that there were 3 wise men. The first thing created was light. Oddly omitted from your scenario. You've been reading too many of Abra's posts. So - like the magicman, are these basic facts going to disappear from your logic as well? Apparently you are assuming as well that the God who creates cannot susstain for a day of two? When was the last time you walked outside after it hadn't rained for a frew days to find every plant and shrub tree around you dead for lack of water? Which one of my faculties would you like me to suspend to follow your line of reasoning? And I recall my roomate back in San Francisco growing pretty healthy weed in our basement without a lick of sun. Not a single beam. How did that happen? no my friend, i did not omit there being [some kind of light] on purpose, it just isn't the point i was making. the "point" is that god made the "SUN" on the fourth day - but all the plants and trees on the 3RD! we have discussed the first light before as to what light that was, you claim gods glory -he is the light [which i dont believe for a second] - [we can start another thread on this if you want to go over it again]. i say it was from the stars trillions of them. milky way and all. either way thats a dead issue that cannot be resolved, correct? so why bring it up again when the question raised is different [we can start another thread on this if you want to go over it again].? "BACK" to the "POINT" i'm making is more to do with the sequence of what was made first more so than whether the plants and trees would grow without the sunlight, some plants donot need sunlight i will grant you. also when first planted none of them need sunlight till they have sprouted above the soil. BUT THE SEQUENCE - of creation of the sun being formed after the earth - smacks of the flat earth type scenario true or falsely claimed hundreds of years ago. Meaning if the bible can not prove that this scenario i'm bringing up is by some interpretation wrong!! - then it stands as something that goes against what we now know had to have taken place in an order differently than what is stated here in the book. otherwise it defies all the laws that god supposedly put in order to begin with such as gravity [gravitatinal pull of the sun on the planets orbits], do you see my point. or do christians believe that the earth is still the center of our galaxie and the sun revolves aroung the earth? i cant keep up with all the changes - 
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Tribo here is another blast from the past. Boy these Sumerians sure would have had a potential lawsuit dont ya think? Perhaps some copyright infringement issues?
The Sumerian creation myth, the earliest account of the Sumerian creation and Flood myth, is found on a single fragmentary tablet excavated in Nippur, sometimes called the Eridu Genesis. It is written in the Sumerian language and datable by its script to the 18th century BC (First Dynasty of Babylon, where the language of writing and administration was still Sumerian). The tablet was published in 1914 by Arno Poebel. Summary Where the tablet picks up, the gods An, Enlil, Enki and Ninhursanga create the Sumerians (the "black-headed people") and the animals. Then kingship descends from heaven and the first cities are founded - Eridu, Bad-tibira, Larsa, Sippar, and Shuruppak. After a missing section in the tablet, we learn that the gods have decided to send a flood to destroy mankind. Zi-ud-sura, the king and gudug priest, learns of this. (In the later Akkadian version, Ea, or Enki in Sumerian, the god of the waters, warns the hero (Atra-hasis in this case) and gives him instructions for the ark. This is missing in the Sumerian fragment, but a mention of Enki taking counsel with himself suggests that this is Enki's role in the Sumerian version as well.) When the tablet resumes it is describing the flood. A terrible storm rocks the huge boat for seven days and seven nights, then Utu (the Sun god) appears and Zi-ud-sura creates an opening in the boat, prostrates himself, and sacrifices oxen and sheep. After another break the text resumes, the flood is apparently over, the animals disembark and Zi-ud-sura prostrates himself before An (sky-god) and Enlil (chief of the gods), who give him eternal life and take him to dwell in Dilmun for "preserving the animals and the seed of mankind". The remainder of the poem is lost. (translation of the text)[1] Legacy Flood myths with many similarities to the Sumerian story appear widely in subsequent Ancient Near Eastern mythologies: including the Atrahasis myth, the Utnapishtim episode in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the biblical Noah story. Deities (or a deity) create the animals and human beings, but people anger the god(s), so they decide to wipe out the world with a flood. A divine being warns one pious person of the impending flood and tells him to build a very large boat, and with it he preserves the animals and mankind from extinction. In the end the god(s) reward him for his actions. ahh, thnx for your time on this K, i have read that before and understand it, but what i needed in this instance was what the god[s] made first - what order things were made in, to help shed some light on this subject here about god making the earth "BEFORE" the SUN!! if you run across anything like that please post. thnx again K, 
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Edited by
GOALLTHEWAY
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Mon 09/15/08 02:01 PM
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16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the >>>>>fourth day.<<<<< hmmm??? WELL LET'S SEE - HE HAS ALREADY CREATED THE "EARTH" BEFORE HE CREATED THE SUN? earth before the sun? Plant's are growing, seed's are germinating, fruit is ripening, HMMMMM? how is this possible ?????? 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the >>>>>third day.<<<<< 3rd day no sun? 4th day sun? kinda goes against everything we know about the average plants and fruits needing >>>>>>>>>>SUNLIGHT<<<<<<<<<<< for photosynthsis wouldn't you say? also goes against cosmology, no? is this another "the world is flat"!!!! oversight by the book writers???? ahh, so many to choose from - what will we do?
[/quote Gods light brought forth these things ...day and night was created for all things living on earth. Time was created.... |
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Oh gotcha. Okay, hold on.
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Oh gotcha. Okay, hold on. On second thought who gives a rats ass anyway. We are all gonna die and find out right. I mean why waste time here bickering about bullS$%t. well welcome to the forum he who gives an ""answer first"", "then" calls it bull crap. hope you enjoy the forum, you will find this an ongoing thing so it it's not your cup of tea, i understand. You may want to try some of the other forums to see what isn't bull crap, if this one doesn't suit you. 
your reply "before you thought it was crap: [/quote Gods light brought forth these things ...day and night was created for all things living on earth. Time was created.... would you care to elaborate on this, or just move on? 
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Oh gotcha. Okay, hold on. On second thought who gives a rats ass anyway. We are all gonna die and find out right. I mean why waste time here bickering about bullS$%t. well welcome to the forum he who gives an ""answer first"", "then" calls it bull crap. hope you enjoy the forum, you will find this an ongoing thing so it it's not your cup of tea, i understand. You may want to try some of the other forums to see what isn't bull crap, if this one doesn't suit you.
your reply "before you thought it was crap: [/quote Gods light brought forth these things ...day and night was created for all things living on earth. Time was created.... would you care to elaborate on this, or just move on?
so are you saying he divided himself? you think he was the "light" that it says he >>created<<? 3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. If it's something he created then why would you think he is the light spoken of? or talking of dividing it [himself] into day and night?? |
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Oh gotcha. Okay, hold on. On second thought who gives a rats ass anyway. We are all gonna die and find out right. I mean why waste time here bickering about bullS$%t. well welcome to the forum he who gives an ""answer first"", "then" calls it bull crap. hope you enjoy the forum, you will find this an ongoing thing so it it's not your cup of tea, i understand. You may want to try some of the other forums to see what isn't bull crap, if this one doesn't suit you.
your reply "before you thought it was crap: [/quote Gods light brought forth these things ...day and night was created for all things living on earth. Time was created.... would you care to elaborate on this, or just move on?
so are you saying he divided himself? you think he was the "light" that it says he >>created<<? 3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. If it's something he created then why would you think he is the light spoken of? or talking of dividing it [himself] into day and night?? Light as we know it is not Gods light. I read some near death stories and these people who came back from the dead said that they were in a light so brilliant that they should have been burned alive by it or at lest left blind...but then (every one of them said) that they could look at this light eventually and it did not hurt them the intensity of the light did not change . |
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bull**** is within the perception peered thru, lol.....
if anything is bull****, than more is seen as bull**** in due time, so what can be considered bull****, if the mind and brain wish to increase itself with understanding and wisdom, lol..... are all faces the same..... then neither are all brains...... what is essence of learning for one is as folly to annother, and visa versa, so nothing does not have greater meaning, so what is truly as bull****, lol....... but the good reason this can and is said is not missed, and no offense taken, lol....... welcome to the forums man.....peace |
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Excessive use of "lol".
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Oh gotcha. Okay, hold on. On second thought who gives a rats ass anyway. We are all gonna die and find out right. I mean why waste time here bickering about bullS$%t. well welcome to the forum he who gives an ""answer first"", "then" calls it bull crap. hope you enjoy the forum, you will find this an ongoing thing so it it's not your cup of tea, i understand. You may want to try some of the other forums to see what isn't bull crap, if this one doesn't suit you.
your reply "before you thought it was crap: [/quote Gods light brought forth these things ...day and night was created for all things living on earth. Time was created.... would you care to elaborate on this, or just move on?
so are you saying he divided himself? you think he was the "light" that it says he >>created<<? 3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. If it's something he created then why would you think he is the light spoken of? or talking of dividing it [himself] into day and night?? Light as we know it is not Gods light. I read some near death stories and these people who came back from the dead said that they were in a light so brilliant that they should have been burned alive by it or at lest left blind...but then (every one of them said) that they could look at this light eventually and it did not hurt them the intensity of the light did not change . I've heard/read things of the same nature, but what has this to do with the creation story light or god's own light - wouldn't the light you speak of have to have been created by god? that is if your a beiever in the book god? |
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