on purpose, lol........

there are so many things that i say with no negative emotion, but this is not easily seen over the airwaves.....

indeed, you are MOST CORRECT, one that speak her mind, and is MUCH appreciated with all sincerity.....

great logic an thought by the way in all of your posts.....

peace girl

your right K, ok david your fine will be twenty five full coins - BOTH SIDES AND THE EDGE!!!!!!!

payable to the church of brutal honesty and truth fr our annual bash party.

Tribo the Sumerians had a few. I will post this one and then if I find a better one or a continuation, post that also. This kind of fills you in on some of their other gods as they had gods that created gods. Thats actually a common motif and we also see that with the early Semitic peoples and what later were the Hebrews as we know them. Thats arguably the connection of the bible with the Sumerians.


AN shared the universe between two of its sons : NUDIMMUD the god of the sky, and ENLIL his favorite son, who received the supreme authority after that of his Father AN.

He reigned over his kingdom that the Sumerians compared to a high mountain... On the mountain of the Sky and the Earth (still one), AN created ANUNNAKI = the Assembly of the great gods.

There was at the beginning " the infinite primordial Ocean", it is from this infinite Original Sea that the sky and the Earth were born. At the beginning the ground was dispersed in the universe then it was separated under the combined action of AN and his son ENLIL , as was written in an epoque of time by unknown Sumerian poet:



ENLIL, tea Lord who decided to produce what is useful
ENLIL, tea Lord whose decisions are immutable,
imagined the separate Sky from the Earth
When the Sky had been placed far away from the Earth (Ki)
When Earth tea had been separated from Sky tea
When the name of Man had been found,
When AN had brought down the Sky
When ENLIL had gathered the ground...
ENLIL germinated the ground with the seed of the country...


Then An created the other gods, who at the beginning, were obliged to work for their food. One day AMMOU, the goddess-mother of fresh water, asked her son ENKI to create humanity so that by their work, they could bring food to the gods as offerings and sacrifices. Enki, the god of fresh water, without which any harvest was impossible, made the first men with clay. But Enki had to deal with the pride of his wife " the goddess NINHOURSAG, " usually known as the goddess of fertility! Let us note in passing: the Earth was created from the Cosmos, and man was made of clay using the power of the god of... water!

Goddess NINHOURSAG claimed after the creation of human beings that she was capable of destroying the work of her husband. ENKI prevented this, but he could not remove her power to create monsters, giants or defomed human beings .

It is surprising to note this TRIAD of the three basic divinities " AN + ENLIL and ENKI " joined as a symbol of a protective Trinity of human life. ENLIL and ENKI had the same mission on Earth and wanted to marry the same goddess. Capricious by nature, they are like twin brothers resulting from the same cell and who are so similar as to be easily mistaken for each other.

In reality, they were one and the same divinity, both having the same prefix EN = Lord, king, and high priest, and since the dawn of time legends and exploits were attributed to them according to each city, each one regarding one of them as their god, and their mythology as a personal blessing.

Moreover it is not surprising to note that each city, (like most of the towns of predynastic Egypt) , chose its own protective god:

The Moon god Nanna at UR / Zabada at KISH / Shara at Umma / Ningursu at GIRSU / Ensi at UMMA / Enlil at Nippur...

Men and Women had been made according to the image of the gods... The gods were immortal and endowed with a considerable powers. It was even said that they had supernatural power and that it released a kind of luminous radiation, a magnificent light which made mortals both afraid and respectful...

The whole city belonged to the god, including the fields and the communal parts of the cities. The faithful brought him food at the temple , and the high priest received it on his behalf.

As a ritual, (as at Thebes), at the temple of Ur, each year the high priestess representing Inanna married a local king to symbolize the union of the king-shepherd Dumuzi and Inanna the goddess of love.

Double speak is not Logic it's childs play and you cant see anything over air waves....DUDE!

vey informative K, but we need to go back to the time of the sun being formed and the earth and the timeline [earth before or after the sun] thnx BB.

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so this one claims and declares his own wisdom as greatest.....

is this not to walk into a room and say "hello all, meet me, i am the wisest in town, now pay heed to my great wisdom, or you are ignorant, lol.....

gotta say there dudess of great wisdom, it is very convincing, lol......

I think that is just too confusing to follow. Delete. I mean my last post was too convoluted. That Sumerian myth. I will see if I can find another one. That was that flood story in more detail.

wow great stuff K, but still no mention of the heavens - the sun or stars or earth, but if you run across it post please - it doesn't have to be sumerian either just predate moses writings ok?

hmm? sory to have bothered you goalltheway, [gatw],interesting reply. i concider myself someone with more common sense than most, not all, so i'm open to talking common sense with anyone - even you - but i must say i'm not sure about the "tude" dude?? no one here had one until you showed yours? shouldn't "common sense" as you say you have, been used to enter a new forum of which your not familiar with as one of introducing yourself and finding out what the post here are about and then deciding if you wanted to participate or not?? Instead you come on like gangbusters with a tude - why?

I was just teasin ya.

Sensitive...sorry about the dead animal comment ...so books it is huuu.? Have a nice day.

Tribo.... the question you asked here in this thread...along with many other questions(actually the Bible has an answer to any and every question man has ever asked) ,is answered in either one or both of the websites , that I listed on the "Bible...Common Questions and Answers" thread.

Krimsa.... about myths coming up with similar stories...hey.....do you actually think that people back then ,did not wonder and search for answers about God ?
Hence the many myths with some similarities?
Ever wonder why the similarities?

Ever wonder ..that as man searched for truth ..even back then...that those myths were their own attempts at trying to understand God and His creation?

Hence they wrote, according to THEIR understanding..as best they could........hence the many myths....

BUT...

There is An ACCURATE ACCOUNT GIVEN....WITH NO QUESSWORK INVOLVED WHATSOEVER...

and it's Called the BIBLE....THE DIVINELY INSPIRED WORD OF GOD.

This ACCURATE Account.....was when when GOD SPOKE to Moses and to the other men who wrote the bible...hence , the bible is NOT just man's " own attempts "at explaining God and His creation( remember I said God put it in every man's heart to know God...hence the many myths are man's own attempt to know God..but God also has SHOWN US and GIVEN US THE TRUTH about HIM ,,and not just man's quesswork ... thru HIS WORD).

We have a TRUSTED source to go by....that explains God and His creation to man...and is not just man's own attempts to know God..... it is THE ACCURATE DIVINELY INSPIRED ACCOUNT .... GIVEN TO MAN FROM GOD....CALLED THE WORD OF GOD.

So once more......The difference between the so many mythological stories...and the WORD that GOD Himself ,spoke to Moses and spoke to the other men who wrote down the God Inspired Words of the Bible are...
the Word of God spoken to Moses and to the others to write down, were GOD INSPIRED AND STRAIGHT FROM GOD HIMSELF...thus making it an ACCURATE account...no copying..God doesn't need to copy from no man.
God is BIGGER than that.

And Furthermore...God is God ...and is MORE than ABLE to WATCH Over His WORD, that He Gave to Man to Write DOWN.
GOD'S INSPIRED WORD Has NO MISTAKES, and is ACCURATE.

The Myths are only stabs at knowing God... it was the people's search for God back then..they too looked to understand God..and I am sure there are Many written mythical accounts..but AGAIN.....the ONLY ACCURATE and THERFORE TRUSTED ACCOUNT, was and is the God Inspired Account ...called the Bible.



Be Blessed Now.

nope, books it may be - but not all, everything of religion and myth, fable, spirituality, etc, even science. your welcome here for sure but loose the tude dude ok?

thnx MS, but i'd rather you tell me of how the sun was created >>>after<<< the earth.

MS, of course there are thousands of myths written through out history. Man has ALWAYS attempted to fashion answers for the great mysterious of life. Probably those would have included birth, death and the origins of all things. Where did the earth come from, the seas, the animals, the plants. No one is disputing this fact and I myself have a deep love of these ancient civilizations and their mysterious, long since vanished cultures. I have spent considerable time studying them in fact. The point here is that Genesis and essentially the entire bible is NO different than any of these other mythologies. There is nothing to attest to its validity, nor its credibility.

So you will understand why I am attempting to present this information for you to read for yourself. It clearly indicates the origin of some of the bible stories, namely "The Tree of Knowledge" and the account of Noah's great flood. I have shown you that these were NOT origional tales written by Moses or whoever else solely from their own imaginations. They were essentially highlights of other creation myths written by long since extinct peoples. Im not sure that it invalidates the bible necessarily. It certainly does not effect my belief system one way or another.

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.




Will answer original OP and thats it.......Does it say that he did so with plants and all in seed form or whole......hmmmmm seeds BURN try again....

Not really the question i wanted answered my ferralpussie - the question really is god making the sun the day after he makes the earth? earth before sun? this wreaks of old christianity thinking that the sun revolved around the earth - didn't you guys give up on that a loooooooong time agoooooooo??? or do you still think the sun revolves around the earth? Just how is it that the god you believe in would create the earth before the sun was in place to revolve around it? or did this just gradually happen afterwords? hmmm?

lucccccccccyyy - you have some splainin to do to ricky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tribo, give em a break. God had not created text books that would illuminate photosynthesis and the basic components held there in for another, um, well like 1958 or so.

it's really not about the plant gowth or even animal light - it's about the earth [created on the third day] and the sun [created on the fourth day] earth before sun? hmmm?
splain please?

what was the earth revolving around for a day?