Maybe it was stationary according to god? I dunno. This is why I dont utilize the bible as any kind of scientific reference point. If I did then I would be holding beliefs like animals simply "adapt" over the course of a life time to their environments and that humans lived for 900 years and had thousands of babies like ants. Genesis is clearly the most unreliable document written and it makes some pretty outrageous claims. I guess if you have faith it, it all makes perfect sense though. That still baffles me.

Religion has always been somewhat uncomfortable in the face of logic, that's for sure.

yeah, but my outlook changed alot ever since spidey challenged all of us to find flaws in the bible that he could not refute, thus the questions continue.

Krimsa....IF similarities are found in some myths, I am sure word got a round...adn I am sure the accurate acount was also heard, and included along in the myths.....

it is not that hard to figure out, actually.

Do you see anymore about the many myths from the past, today?
Any large followers?
Any great books on these myths ?

Ever wonder why the Bible has withstood time?

Ever think that it has... because it IS the DIVINELY INSPIRED WORD OF GOD?
Given to man ...straight from GOD???

Point is....

GOD....AWESOME GOD....does NOT have to BORROW a Word from MAN....to Get HIS DIVINE WORD OUT TO MAN....


thus.....OTHERS copied from God's Word....and borrowed from some of its truths, and included it in their own accounts.

God is a BIG GOD..and OWNS EVERYTHING..and HAS CREATED EVERYTHING.

God has NO LACK .

Therefore ...God has NO NEED to be in the "Borrowing" business.

Um MS, you are failing to be logical here. If these EARLIER creation myths were written BEFORE the writers of Genesis were even born, then it was not their origional concept. It was plagiarized from these creation myths that preceded them. If it truly was the divine word of anything, then dont you think god would have kept better tabs on who was being inspired to write what? Use your noggin here.

And as to your question as to why the bible has stood the test of time and these other creation myths haven't...well having a sword rammed through your guts for failing to "believe" would certainly help preserve and attest to its absolute infallibility as the true word of god.

How do YOU know when they were actually written?

Again .....The DIVINELY INSPIRED WORD of GOD...The BIBLE......Given to Man to write down..... Comes STRAIGHT FROM GOD.....NOT MAN.

Oh, hush! If you are going to start in with your claims that ALL radiocarbon dating is inaccurate nonsense then your fundamentalist slip is really showing. You cant argue this point so now you will just claim its all some archeological grand conspiracy to derail the bible and the face of Christianity. Please! You should have been learning these concepts in school. 5th grade!

The reason the older myths were not "written" with scribes is because many of these myths were discovered on stone tablets in the form of pictures etc.

These stories were then "written" later with words.

This means that they were recorded in a different form. They were still told by mouth and recorded in stone way before the Biblical scribes wrote stories about their myths. Most of these age old pagan myths were told by word of mouth. They were told and recorded in stone long before the Bible. They were certainly not stolen from the Bible because the Bible had not been written back then.

JB

the only thing i can comment on who wrote what first or plagiarized from one another is this;

"""IF""" the books of moses are truly the word of god given by him then we can assume that they were later than the others mentioned - ""BUT"" if these were handed down from the time of Adam and eve and they were really the first people - then the time line starts with them and their children verbally passing this on to their children until such time as moses [ or other writers] penned the info. so it depends on where you want to start the timeline from, as to who followed who. or who plagiarized who. for instance if this info was handed down say 6 or 7000 yrs ago by A&E's descendants be it Cain or Seth, then it could have been disseminated and changed by other peoples descending from each son of A&E, till moses. if that's the case then it would be "logical" that these later descendants would have similar stories to record just like what the Hebrews had handed down through Seth's descendants yes? So i don't think it can be known for sure unless someone discovers even more ancient text that state where it all may have began . not taking sides here, just giving my outlook or overview of all that I've read thus far ok?

Evening folks, I see we're still at it. Just reading and browsing through some forums, not going to stick around and debate, (I hope). Have a bad enough headache at the moment anyway.

Happiness to all of you, and may your sorrows be few.

JB

Krimsa

Tribo

morningsong

you to sharpshooter - aka - [SS] hmmm gestopo huh?

Yeh, I understand what you are saying. I don't think any the myths are accurate anyway but their similarities are curious. Between all of them, they must symbolize some kind of story that probably is a long way from the literal truth.

JB

yep, and that's where the problem lies. i think the truth will never be know unless we stuble upon some pictorial evidence that has not come to light yet that predates all the others by a whole lot. don't think it's gonna happen personally but yo never know. so the most i can say is as i stated - we have to look at all of it and make a decision or - ignore all of it and just be happy -

I understand what you are asserting there Tribo but, I guess I just tend to look at things in a linear context so the whole "Adam and Eve" thing really flies out the door when you take that approach. I would have to accept that much which I dont, sorry. I guess it no big deal anyway. It's just another issue that people will either think about or rationalize in whatever manner agrees with them best.

Well we do have an even earlier record of human existence in the Neolithic period and they clearly were not Christians. I guess no one is arguing that point as not everyone will even choose to acknowledge that modern archeology indeed has an accurate record of human civilization extending back that far. That really annoys me. So in that sense NO EVIDENCE will ever be good enough. That would also beg the question that if Adam and Eve were real and these people simply were relaying their own versions of the same stories that had been passed from generation to generation, then how do we know which is true if they are all the manipulated and disseminated words of god? That would put them all on the same level playing field correct? How could Moses' depiction be more accurate than that of the ancient Sumerians?

no gestapo here, the only thing good i can say about them is they had pretty uniforms

yep i think so my lady.

NOW!! - back to my original post - the earth before the sun?

this maybe linear thinking also but!! - how could you make it out of step if you are god? if the earth is orbiting around the sun, then what was it doing for a day or so till the sun was created? and why? pretty illogical for an all knowing god huh?

and another question - why 6 days? does god get tired? or lazy? or stupid?[you may not want to answer that one]but come on - 6 days? why not all at once 1 day? a blink of an eye? a heartbeat? why he could have used that extra time to have killed millions of people and sacrifice billions of animals unnecessarily - so why the hold up?????

your question is even more interesting since I believe that each "day" is as a thousand years to man.