Because it took 6 days. It didn't say he couldn't have done it sooner, or that he needed to take that long. Why this strawman argument? Since you are very unlikely to know how to create a tree, or a blade of grass for that matter - your not putting yourself into a position of thinking you know of a better, more efficient way to have created the universe and everything in it. Or are you?

Here's some different translations and cross references ....

http://bible.cc/genesis/1-3.htm

And Eljay even if one went along with the validity of the story of Adam and Eve and just said well they must have passed these stories down by word of mouth through generation to generation and they simply disseminated and homogenized. Yes, that would certainly explain why they are very similar but not exactly the same.


Your problem you then create, is what would make the word of the bible any superior or more credible than any of these other myths? They are all taken from the origional word of god correct? Merely passed from people to people until they reached Moses at some point and he wrote them down as a literate man. Well in that case, every single human who passed these stories on had a legitimate interpretation of the words they heard. So how would the biblical account be any more credible than that of the ancient Sumerians since according to you, they were only depicting the same story.


Thats if you buy into Adam and Eve which I dont. Then we are back to square one with a whole lot of copy right infringement going on.

Tribo;

Okay - I see your issue. You are looking at the way things function now - extrapolating it back to creation, and questioning how could these things be. However, you are missing an awful lot of information. For example - how do you know when the earth and planets were created that they did anything? That it was the creation of gravity that put them into motion. Since nowhere in scripture is gravity even remotely discussed (it wouldn't even be considered until Isaac Newton) why are you presumming to know how it functioned initially in order to question the text? In actuality - gravity could be a pure myth, and it could be that everything stays in motion and on the planet by the shear will of God.
While I can certainly see the point of asking the question - I see no basis for doubting it's validity, nor the competance of the one recordig the account. If you think that the God of scripture is incapable of having created the universe and all that is in it according to how he inspired the author to record it, I would think what should be questioned is your understanding of God - not what he did.

That is a valid question. The biblical text establishes the premise of being divinely inspired, which none of the other creation myths are able to do - so naturally, acceptance of any of the creation myth's - be they biblical or otherwise - is going to rely on a measure of faith. For what purpose would the writers of the Old Testament have for inventing these stories?
Is it within the possibility of the God of the bible to have moved these men to write that which He wanted written? As to how God wanted himself described in the text - which is done through His inspiration for the purpose of man - it is not beyond reason to conclude him capable of doing just that. So - now it just remains what the level of acceptance to these things are. You either find them acceptable - or you don't.

Despite what either of us think, and the criteria by which we've established that belief - it doesn't establish any validity to what actually occured. There is not enough detail in the accounts that we have to establish - "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt" as to the events being accurate or not, and archeology is Eons away from making the issues any clearer. At this present time - all of the necessary archeological discoveries to shed light on these issues are being prevented by the islamic regimes that control the lands where most - if not all of the biblical accounts took place. They have put forth great effort to destroy any of the potential dig sites where most of the biblical accounts occured. It would be a tremendous blow in furthering the Islamic cause to allow this information to come forward - and there is tremsendous unrest in the archeological community over this. Chances are - due to the current climate of "tolerance" - we're never going to have the chance to investigate the history of this time period as long as the Islamics are jeapordizing the chances for archeological excavation.

ahhh, i see so god can act any way he wants as long as its not against his own nature? ok got it? no more Q's about gods ability. he's god right? ok. Then i'll return to my reason for leaving the faith - i wont believe in a moron for a god, except this on faith? NEVER.

Well of course it is always up to the individual to decide what they want to believe or not believe or give merit to in some capacity. I would agree with you that "faith" will always be a necessary component when addressing any creation mythology. We can safely presume that the creation stories of the Sumerians were every bit as important and meaningful to them than the bible is even today to modern humans. Neither the bible nor these stone tablets can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be factual. The Sumerians would have needed to have faith just as you do today. You have faith that your beliefs will hold true for you once you pass even if there is no conclusive and empirical evidence to support that presumption.

You asked for what reason would the writers of the Old Testament have to lie about their experiences as it related to the biblical account? Well, not to upset you, but many reasons. They were human. Quite capable of frailty and defect of character.They may have desired power over their fellow men. They may have desired material wealth and riches. Perhaps female companionship or lust could have been a motivation. There are any number of reasons that someone may have become "possessed" to write these stories or detail their accounts in such a grandiose manner. Thats only my personal opinion of course. I pride myself on not being a sucker.

Is it not within the realm of possibility that the Sumerian writers could have been moved in some respect by their own deities to write these works on their stone templates? I see no reason to believe nor disbelieve this to be the case. It would be just as likely for god to speak to Moses. I can not give any more weight to the scripture just because it "withstood the test of time". There are reasons as we both understand that Christianity became one of the world's great religions and they aren't always the most benevolent.

So you ask if I find this premise acceptable? Well my answer to that question is I find the bible to be no more acceptable or credible than the creation mythology of the Sumerians, or the Greeks, or the American Indian, or the Mauri or the...

For Tribo.....

The Light of the World
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

One of the most amazing statements ever made was the assertion of Jesus Christ in the temple in Jerusalem one early morning long ago, speaking to a group of bigoted religionists who were seeking an excuse to condemn Him. This claim should immediately have branded Him as either a raving lunatic or a conniving charlatan—or—(could it conceivably be true?) as the very Son of God Himself!

The Amazing Claim
Here is what He said: "I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life" (John 8:12).

A listener may have thought, "But, Sir, it is the mighty sun that illumines the world, not some wandering preacher from Galilee. The sun moving high in the sky provides light so that men do not have to walk around in the dark, so how can you claim to be the sun? The sun does, indeed, make life possible, with its radiant energy causing plants to grow and rivers to flow: it can certainly be said to be `the light of life.' But how can you, of all creatures, claim to give life?'

Oh, His followers might reply, "He was just speaking metaphorically. He is the spiritual light, giving spiritual life, conquering spiritual darkness, not really claiming to produce sunlight."

But that's just as bad, isn't it? This country preacher with no formal education and only a motley group of deluded followers! Yet here He is professing to provide the spiritual, as well as moral and intellectual guidance for the whole wide world, when neither He nor His disciples have ever even traveled beyond the borders of Israel! How could this Jesus, from Nazareth, possibly expect anyone to believe that?

The Astounding Fulfillment
Yet, for the past two thousand years there have indeed been millions of people from all over this whole wide world who have believed just that, and whose lives have been transformed because of it. Further, not only individual men and women have been transformed; but whole societies and cultures. Great educational institutions have been established in His name, as well as hospitals and charities of all kinds, not to mention multiplied thousands of churches and helpful ministries in great variety. Nations have been established to serve Him; even the worldwide evil of slavery has been almost abolished.

Most of the founding fathers of science were sincere followers of Jesus, as well as the greatest medical researchers of the past. The Lord Jesus Christ, even though despised by so many of His contemporaries that He was judicially executed in a uniquely cruel manner by their leaders, has indeed been the Light of the world ever since, not only spiritually, but also intellectually and morally. Those who choose to follow Him have not walked in darkness but gladly testify that they have found the Light of life, just as He promised.

But that is not all, by any means! By overcoming death and rising from His tomb in a glorified physical body (which many would evaluate as the best-proved fact in history), He proved Himself to be (as He also claimed) the omnipotent Son of God, equal with the heavenly Father—the very Word of God made flesh!

As His early disciples soon began to proclaim on His authority, it was also He who had actually created all things. He was not the sun (the physical light of the world), but He is greater than the sun, for He created the sun! "By Him were all things created, that are in heaven . . ." (Colossians 1:16). "All things were made by Him" (John 1:3). It was obvious that God, in the beginning, created heaven and earth, but He "created all things by Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 3:9).

Not only was the physical light of the world—the sun—created by Christ, but it is He who has kept it shining ever since. It is the eternal Son of God—"whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting" (Micah 5:2). Who being the brightness of (God's) glory, and the express image of His person" who is still "upholding all things by the word of His power" (Hebrews 1:3). Scientists are still somewhat uncertain as to what keeps the sun shining, though most of them promote the theory of thermonuclear fusion processes in its deep interior. There are unsolved difficulties even with this explanation, however, and no one really knows.

The Power of Light
We do know, however, if we believe the Bible, that Jesus Christ the Creator is also the Conserver. He upholds everything by His own power! "By Him all things consist" (Colossians 1:17). Not only our sun, in fact, but all the suns of the cosmos! Indeed He is the light—not only of our little world, but of the entire physical universe! In the promised future new earth, in fact, with its magnificent holy city, we are told that the city will not even need the sun for its light, "for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof" (Revelation 21:23).

Note, incidentally, the anticipatory intimation in such verses of the modern scientific concept of the equivalence of mass and energy. Things are held together by power. And that power is nothing less than the power of Christ Himself. In Him, all things "consist" (literally "are sustained" or "hold together"). Our gentle, loving Savior is the mighty Creator of all things who is now upholding all things and someday will restore all things to their primeval perfection.

As far as physical life is concerned, He also claimed that those who follow Him not only would no longer "walk in darkness" but also would possess "the light of life."

Modern physical science (at least classical physics) was centered around the electro-magnetic spectrum, which included all the varieties of force and energy in nature—light, heat, sound, electricity, magnetism, chemical energy, etc.—everything except gravity and nuclear energy. Light, of course, in a sense covers the whole spectrum, from long-wave-length infra-red to short-wave ultra-violet radiation, with the visible light spectrum occupying the key center, as it were.

In a significant sense, light energy is thus the most basic energy of all, and it is not surprising that the first words recorded by the living Word of God were: "Let there be light" (Genesis 1:3). There were no "lights" as such at that point, however, until He said: "Let there be lights" (Genesis 1:14). Then, instantaneously appeared in the sky the two great lights for the earth and "the stars also" (Genesis 1:16) scattered throughout the vast cosmos.

And all of these lights—and the light which they generated and sent forth to be "for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" (Genesis 1:14)—would also serve life itself through the many marvelous mechanisms it would energize for Earth's coming inhabitants (photosynthesis, etc.).

Thus it is that: "In Him [that is, the Word of God] was life; and the life was the light of men" (John 1:4). It then follows also that Christ is "the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9).

And that is true in both the physical sense and spiritual sense. Physically, "in Him we live, and move, and have our being" so that He is "not far from every one of us" (Acts 17:28,27). It should be painfully sobering for even those who refuse to believe on Him to realize suddenly (as they must, someday) that their very existence—even the cellular structure of their bodies—depends on His moment-by-moment maintenance. If He just withdrew His power for an instant we would collapse into nothingness.

Spiritually, we are likewise assured that He enlightens "every man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9). That is, even those born in some heathen home and those who may spend all their lives without ever hearing of Christ, have been given some spiritual light (in nature, in conscience, in history, etc.) so that if they respond positively to the light they have, will then somehow be given more and more light, eventually enough to be saved. The classic Biblical example is the Roman Cornelius, to whom God eventually sent Peter with the full message of salvation through Christ. As Peter said at that time: "God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him" (Acts 10:34,35).

The warning, however, is that those who do not respond to whatever light they have are "without excuse" and thus will "die in [their] sins" (Romans 1:20, John 8:24), because they do not believe on Christ. And the tragedy is that "light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil" (John 3:19). Nevertheless, "the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew Himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward Him" (II Chron-icles 16:9). After all, God does desire everyone "to be saved" (I Timothy 2:4), and to "turn them from darkness to light" (Acts 26:18), but they will not come.

Passing Heaven's Torch
Jesus also said to His disciples (including us!): "Ye are the light of the world" (Matthew 5:14), obviously here referring just to spiritual light. Thus, since He is no longer here in the flesh, His enlightening ministry is to be mediated through us, passing His torch, as it were, to us. "As my Father hath sent me, even so send I you" (John 20:21).

Our mission and challenge, therefore—as those who know the Lord Jesus as both Creator and Savior, is to "shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life" (Philippians 2:15,16). "For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).


This article was originally published September, 2002. "The Light of the World", Institute for Creation Research, http://www.icr.org/article/545/ (accessed September 16, 2008).

http://www.icr.org/articles/print/545/

What is against his own nature? what are you talking about? How has the creation account of Genesis gone against God's nature? I'm not following what you see as an issue - based on what you are presuming as fact.

Well if god is a silly dilly than the 7 day creation account depicted in Genesis is certainly in keeping with his nature.

Tribo.....that sun up there in the sky.....that continues to provide just the right amount of heat and light to our earth.....at just the right distance from the earth....

Ever wonder why that sun just doesn't burn itself out by now?
Ever wonder
What keeps it shining?

God SAID, Let there be Light, and There WAS Light"

Then AFTER God said, "Let there be Light", God created the sun.....

meaning..there was light already in the world.... before the sun was even made....meaning God did not need the sun , to speak Light into existence...
but the sun now only sustains that Light that God already spoke into existence....before the sun was made....

"heavy man heavy...
dat sum deep stuff there"...

MS, the sun WILL in fact burn itself out eventually. Have you ever taken a basic astronomy class? You should. You will really enjoy it. It wont happen in your life time, or your children's life time, or their children's children lifetime.The Sun will last about 5 billion years as it is now, a so called Main Sequence Star, and burns 700 billion tonnes a second.

Krimsa? do you believe we evolved from something that crawled out from under a rock or that we were created by a higher power, or either of these.

and it's just a question, not trying to be combative with you. I gather you don't believe in creation so I was wondering about evolution or neither really

And God also said

there will be no more night,

also....

cause God Will be the Light....

meaning....

a sun will not be required to

give light.....

Well honestly, if that is accurate and we have another 5 billion years with the sun at its current capacity then who knows what state the earth will be in? The sun is burning hydrogen so I imagine it will change over time as well. It will begin its demise and it will have the effect of a candle burning lower and lower on a wick until it snuffs itself out. So humans (or whatever is here by that time) will have long died off. It wont be what you are thinking of as human life anyway.

Light is an energy source,
that
doesn't just come from the sun....

you turn on the nightlamp,
or
strike a match,
or
rub two flintstones together....

and viola... you have light.

so point is...

God did not need to create the sun

first, to bring forth light.

Nite all...sleep beckons

Ok....one more thing before I say goodnite....


God also said in His Word, that those who follow Him ,not only would no longer "walk in darkness", but also would possess "the LIGHT of LIFE."

Tribo....

God SAID ,

"Let there Be LIGHT, and There WAS Light"

Why did God SPEAK LIGHT into Existence ,FIRST?
( notice... God always SPOKE first .... a whole other study of God's Word, btw).

So Why Would God Speak Light into Existence... first?

Cause it was the LIGHT OF LIFE!!

Hey...The Word of God is Pretty Powerful....and Amazing....the Deeper You Get Into God's Word, the More You Learn...and Wil Be Amazed!!!

No myth stuff found in God's Word... Nothing but the Powerful Wisdom and Truth ...that Is God.

See you on the morrow....nite now.

This part shared earlier ,kept going thru my mind...keeping me up:

"....Modern physical science (at least classical physics) was centered around the electro-magnetic spectrum, which included all the varieties of

FORCE AND ENERGY IN NATURE—
LIGHT,
heat, sound, electricity, magnetism, chemical energy, etc.—everything except gravity and nuclear energy.

LIGHT, of course, in a sense

COVERS the WHOLE SPECTRUM,

from long-wave-length infra-red to short-wave ultra-violet radiation, with the visible light spectrum

OCCUPYING THE KEY CENTER,

as it were.

In a significant sense,

LIGHT ENERGY

is thus the

MOST BASIC ENERGY OF ALL ,

and it is NOT surprising that the

FIRST WORDS

recorded by the living Word of God were:

"LET THERE BE LIGHT" (Genesis 1:3).

There were no "lights" as such at that point, however, until He said: "Let there be lights" (Genesis 1:14). Then, instantaneously appeared in the sky the two great lights for the earth and "the stars also" (Genesis 1:16) scattered throughout the vast cosmos.

And all of these lights—and the light which they

GENERATED ...AND.... SENT... FORTH

to be "for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" (Genesis 1:14)—would also

SERVE.. LIFE... ITSELF....

through the many marvelous mechanisms it would

ENERGIZE

for Earth's coming inhabitants (PHOTOSYNTHESIS, etc.).

Thus it is that: "In Him [that is, the Word of God] WAS LIFE; and the LIFE WAS THE LIGHT of men" (John 1:4). It then follows also that Christ is "the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9).

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IN

HIM

WAS

LIFE

and the LIFE

was the LIGHT

of men.



So Tribo.....
to clearly answer your question :

God Said,
" Let there Be Light, and There was Light"...

THEN God created the sun to GENERATE the Light...and to SUSTAIN LIFE!!!


It all makes perfect sense.

I tend to feel that the Theory of Evolution and anthropogenesis is a highly plausible and credible theory as it relates to the development of man as a homo sapien sapien and what we now understand him to be today. Does that mean that if suddenly new evidence came to light as it pertained to the idea of Creationism that I would refuse to investigate it? Absolutely not. That would be one of the most exciting finds arguably to date. However in comparing the two, evolution and the concepts of adaptation and natural selection seem much more relateable to me on a personal level.

Sharp, out of respect for Tribo and his thread, that's a little off topic. If you are interested in these theories, ask me by message and I can point out other threads in which these issues have been discussed. That way we are not completely derailing this subject matter capeesh?

MS, thnx you just proved my point - there was light and god created it - it was not his light[shekina glory] that was the light created ok that's all i was getting at and you kept trying to say it was his own personal light - it was not - he "CREATED " the light which i believe was the light from the stars. but if its not it still holds that it was "CREATED" light!!