Topic: Does the punishment fit the crime?
therooster's photo
Fri 05/23/08 06:35 AM

I think that there are more important issues in the world than some adults who cant take a kid's joke!


grumble I agree,,,,,the education system in FL is pathetic,,,,the drop out rate is between 40-60%,,,,,,it's not a good sign,,,,,and with less and less income for the states, cut back's in education are here!!!!!!! grumble but what do I know i'm" Just Stupid Human"!!!!!!!!!! smokin

daniel48706's photo
Fri 05/23/08 10:57 AM



the rest of you people claim to want to teach responsibility, but I think you are just jealous. Jealous of a kid being a kid, and forgetting that their childhood essentially ends with graduation. They have plenty of time to go work meaningless


what the kids did was wrong. they attacked their teachers without thought to who they were doing it to or for the consequences of their actions..this has nothing to do with "kids will be kids", if they had done it to each other and a teacher didnt like it then I'd agree with the statement above. You teach responsibility by holding people accountable for their actions. These kids broke the rules now they have to pay the price. Its just that simple...


Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.

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Fri 05/23/08 11:01 AM




the rest of you people claim to want to teach responsibility, but I think you are just jealous. Jealous of a kid being a kid, and forgetting that their childhood essentially ends with graduation. They have plenty of time to go work meaningless


what the kids did was wrong. they attacked their teachers without thought to who they were doing it to or for the consequences of their actions..this has nothing to do with "kids will be kids", if they had done it to each other and a teacher didnt like it then I'd agree with the statement above. You teach responsibility by holding people accountable for their actions. These kids broke the rules now they have to pay the price. Its just that simple...
wow, I thought I was a harsh person. I threw bisuits on police cars, as well as moon pies as they passed by. I used to take musical greeting cards apart and hide the internals in a teachers desk so it would aggravate them all day. I put shaving cream under the door handles of their cars, vaselined doorknobs, vaselined toilet seats, put pingpong balls in the toilets, itching powder in the toilet paper, and put plastic wrap over the toilet, and under the toilet seat. Yes, I deserved the firing squad for my "disresepct" as a child. Worse that ever happened to me was a paddling from the principal. You guys strive to make people grow up too fast, and take a period of time away from them that they will never be able to relive. I cannot believe you guys are so harsh about childhood mishchief that doesnt create any bodily harm


As you saiud the worst you ever got ws a paddling formt he principle. Teachers are no longer allowed to do that. and in many states parents are not allowed to do that either. So, now what is left as punishment? YOu have agreed you were punished, jjust that your punishment isnt allowed now. So what punishment SHOULD they have gotten in your mind?

SometingDifrent's photo
Fri 05/23/08 11:02 AM

My local news broadcasted a story about a couple of seniors that threw 15 to 20 water balloons in the direction of some teachers. The teachers did not get hit by the balloons, but they did get hit by the water.

The Seniors were suspended from school and according to school policy, they are not allowed to participate in any extracurricular activities. Which means they will not be able to participate in the graduation ceremony. They will have to pick up their diplomas from the school.

The families of the Seniors feel that the punishment is to harsh and that they are being punished as well because they are being deprived the privilege of seeing their children walk across the stage to receive the diploma.

So what do you think?




I don't know why old people would be throwing water balloons in the first place laugh

no photo
Fri 05/23/08 11:03 AM
I really think that everyone needs to chill. Just because they made a mistake doesn't mean they will continue to do so.

Single_Rob's photo
Fri 05/23/08 11:33 AM





the rest of you people claim to want to teach responsibility, but I think you are just jealous. Jealous of a kid being a kid, and forgetting that their childhood essentially ends with graduation. They have plenty of time to go work meaningless


what the kids did was wrong. they attacked their teachers without thought to who they were doing it to or for the consequences of their actions..this has nothing to do with "kids will be kids", if they had done it to each other and a teacher didnt like it then I'd agree with the statement above. You teach responsibility by holding people accountable for their actions. These kids broke the rules now they have to pay the price. Its just that simple...
wow, I thought I was a harsh person. I threw bisuits on police cars, as well as moon pies as they passed by. I used to take musical greeting cards apart and hide the internals in a teachers desk so it would aggravate them all day. I put shaving cream under the door handles of their cars, vaselined doorknobs, vaselined toilet seats, put pingpong balls in the toilets, itching powder in the toilet paper, and put plastic wrap over the toilet, and under the toilet seat. Yes, I deserved the firing squad for my "disresepct" as a child. Worse that ever happened to me was a paddling from the principal. You guys strive to make people grow up too fast, and take a period of time away from them that they will never be able to relive. I cannot believe you guys are so harsh about childhood mishchief that doesnt create any bodily harm


As you saiud the worst you ever got ws a paddling formt he principle. Teachers are no longer allowed to do that. and in many states parents are not allowed to do that either. So, now what is left as punishment? YOu have agreed you were punished, jjust that your punishment isnt allowed now. So what punishment SHOULD they have gotten in your mind?
you crack me up. If you would have read what I wrote i think I explained it already

adj4u's photo
Fri 05/23/08 11:57 AM


I'm thinking the mod didn't like it.. I saw it too..
I am about done with this place and their selective enforcement ****. If they do not like you they sure will enforce rules, but if you are a pet they will let it slide



you can say that a hundred more times

i have someone one here that personally attacks me

and others on a regular basis

and they just keep posting away

ohwell ohwell ohwell ohwell

joker69176's photo
Fri 05/23/08 12:04 PM
If you ask me i would say graduating high school and the whole tradition is pointless.Im not saying that you shouldn't be taught or learn anything. But lets be honest most of the stuff we learned in high school didn't really matter when we got in the real world.

adj4u's photo
Fri 05/23/08 12:09 PM

If you ask me i would say graduating high school and the whole tradition is pointless.Im not saying that you shouldn't be taught or learn anything. But lets be honest most of the stuff we learned in high school didn't really matter when we got in the real world.


so did you learn the responsibility of getting up and being where you are supposed to be when yer supposed to be there

and have you learned that a + b is not the same as ab

and that two wrongs do not make a right but 3 lefts do

you learn a lot of things in high school that are not on the schedule

drinker

like what happens if you throw a water ballon at someone without a sense of humor


Thomas27's photo
Fri 05/23/08 12:55 PM
Edited by Thomas27 on Fri 05/23/08 12:55 PM

If you ask me i would say graduating high school and the whole tradition is pointless.Im not saying that you shouldn't be taught or learn anything. But lets be honest most of the stuff we learned in high school didn't really matter when we got in the real world.


Did you know that your entire knowledge of anything is based solely off your vocabulary?

I guess it all just comes natural to you?huh

Thomas27's photo
Fri 05/23/08 12:57 PM
Edited by Thomas27 on Fri 05/23/08 12:59 PM


Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.



Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh

Single_Rob's photo
Fri 05/23/08 01:01 PM



Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.



Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh
laugh laugh laugh laugh

hikerchick's photo
Fri 05/23/08 05:07 PM

If you ask me i would say graduating high school and the whole tradition is pointless.Im not saying that you shouldn't be taught or learn anything. But lets be honest most of the stuff we learned in high school didn't really matter when we got in the real world.


I think it may have been rather difficult to get through college without what I learned in high school.

daniel48706's photo
Sat 05/24/08 05:26 PM

If you ask me i would say graduating high school and the whole tradition is pointless.Im not saying that you shouldn't be taught or learn anything. But lets be honest most of the stuff we learned in high school didn't really matter when we got in the real world.


What are you going to do whne the electricity goes out and you are running a cash register? (just as an example)

How are you going to explain in a resume, what yuor skills, training, and experiences are, and why you chould be hired over someone else? (just a suggestion)

What are you going to do if someone accidentally (and your there) mixes bleach and ammonia? (serious question)

What will you do when your boss (assuming you filled the resume out properly) tells you it is African/American month and you have to put together a display depictin African?American culture/history?


These are just a quick set of questions, one for each core subject (math, english, science, social studies/history), that you might have to answer no matter where you are in life. There's a whole lot more that could be asked, all based on very basic core subjects.

And on a quick note, the bleach and ammonia question? You would be terrified at how many people actually do mix it together. And a disclaimer, I might have the wrong two chemicals, I did poorly in science myself, lol, but I refuse to mix any chemicals due to that. Just to be safe. And if I see a noxious fog coming from a mixture I still know how to react.

daniel48706's photo
Sat 05/24/08 05:28 PM
Edited by daniel48706 on Sat 05/24/08 05:29 PM



Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.



Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh


And you would be paying my chiropactor bill when I threw my back out.

Single_Rob's photo
Sun 05/25/08 08:19 PM




Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.



Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh


And you would be paying my chiropactor bill when I threw my back out.
ah the great american dream, sue, sue, sue

daniel48706's photo
Sun 05/25/08 08:35 PM
Edited by daniel48706 on Sun 05/25/08 08:37 PM





Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.



Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh


And you would be paying my chiropactor bill when I threw my back out.
ah the great american dream, sue, sue, sue


If an action you take, causes someone else to come to harm, wether you intended harm or not, you are legally liable for the medical bills ensued.

Just food for thought :wink:

And besides, I did not mention anything of suing, did I? I assumed you would be mature enough to admit that your actions caused the result I described, and would volunteer to pay for the medical bills involved.

But, you know what they say about assuming... It makes what out of both the assumer and the assumed?

Single_Rob's photo
Mon 05/26/08 10:51 AM






Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.



Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh


And you would be paying my chiropactor bill when I threw my back out.
ah the great american dream, sue, sue, sue


If an action you take, causes someone else to come to harm, wether you intended harm or not, you are legally liable for the medical bills ensued.

Just food for thought :wink:

And besides, I did not mention anything of suing, did I? I assumed you would be mature enough to admit that your actions caused the result I described, and would volunteer to pay for the medical bills involved.

But, you know what they say about assuming... It makes what out of both the assumer and the assumed?
sure he made you jump. Maybe you can sue the kids parents who are playing hide and go seem and scare you to force you to twist. You may also be able to sue the car owner who has a backfire and makes you twist and throw your back out. There are so many scary things in this world that can happen out in public, if you are jumpy, or that scared of water a better course of action is to hide in your place, and keep the cruel harsh world out

daniel48706's photo
Tue 05/27/08 06:06 AM







Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.



Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh


And you would be paying my chiropactor bill when I threw my back out.
ah the great american dream, sue, sue, sue


If an action you take, causes someone else to come to harm, wether you intended harm or not, you are legally liable for the medical bills ensued.

Just food for thought :wink:

And besides, I did not mention anything of suing, did I? I assumed you would be mature enough to admit that your actions caused the result I described, and would volunteer to pay for the medical bills involved.

But, you know what they say about assuming... It makes what out of both the assumer and the assumed?
sure he made you jump. Maybe you can sue the kids parents who are playing hide and go seem and scare you to force you to twist. You may also be able to sue the car owner who has a backfire and makes you twist and throw your back out. There are so many scary things in this world that can happen out in public, if you are jumpy, or that scared of water a better course of action is to hide in your place, and keep the cruel harsh world out


Single Rob, your not an a$$ so dont talk like you're one.
Everythign you just posted is all unintentyional events that were not specifically aimed toward a single person as you very well know. And in the case of the kids playing hide and go seek, they are kids who are nto trying to do anything except play with themselves. In the case of the teenagers of this article, they included their teacher without the teachers wishes, and they are definitely old enough to know that once, you intentionally include another person, the results are your own too face.

So again, you are nto an a$$, so don't talk like one. It doesnt behoove you.

no photo
Tue 05/27/08 09:05 AM

Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh
laugh laugh laugh laugh


what gives you the right to harass someone???
huh huh
thats probably the same attitude that the HS kids in the OP had...it seems like you just dont get it..IT NOT OK to attack people, if they feel its an attack then thats what it is, whether you think its a bit of fun or not isnt the point. If someone has a bug up their butt about it, then too bad for you, find a like-minded victim then. People get to decide for themselves what is ok for them or not.