Topic: Does the punishment fit the crime?
RoamingOrator's photo
Tue 05/27/08 10:08 AM


Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh
laugh laugh laugh laugh


what gives you the right to harass someone???
huh huh
thats probably the same attitude that the HS kids in the OP had...it seems like you just dont get it..IT NOT OK to attack people, if they feel its an attack then thats what it is, whether you think its a bit of fun or not isnt the point. If someone has a bug up their butt about it, then too bad for you, find a like-minded victim then. People get to decide for themselves what is ok for them or not.


That's not necessarily true. It's not okay for you to drive 77 mph down a highway in the United States, but I bet most people on here have hit that number a time or two, and who made the choice? It's not okay for you to do a lot of things that people do on a daily basis.

Whether something is wrong or immoral is a subjective decision based upon the personal experiences of each individual. Because of which, conflict will occur in everyday life. It's not a matter of how you behave over time, it's how you deal with situations you didn't really want to be in that comprises your character. It seems to me we have a lot angst and cryer in these rooms (or get mad and complain). No one seems to take things "with a grain of salt" anymore. What ever happened to the phrase, "oh, they're just having fun."

There is no use crying over spilt milk, water either. So some kids were being bad, that's what kids do. They press their boundries to see how far they can stretch. There used to be a time when the boundries were crossed, punishment was swift and somewhat severe. My principle had one of those paddles with the holes in it, on average, a student only needed that used once. It was a system that worked, but those with lack of will caused that kind of justice to disappear. Too cruel. We are humans, cuelty is what we do, and we do it well. Now a days, we just have to find nicer ways of being cruel.

oldsage's photo
Tue 05/27/08 10:33 AM
Don't do the CRIME, if you can't do the TIME.

For every action, there is a reaction.

TS for the kids.

adj4u's photo
Tue 05/27/08 11:44 AM



Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.



Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh



i guess that the teacher has as much of of a right not to get hit by a water balloon a you do not to inhale second hand smoke

RoamingOrator's photo
Tue 05/27/08 11:53 AM
Edited by RoamingOrator on Tue 05/27/08 12:28 PM




Exactly. What most people are forgetting to take into account is the teachers in question have the inalienable right to not be involved with the water balloons ina ny way. If the kids had not involved the teachers, there would have been no problem. remember people have the right to not be involved just as much as they have the right to be involved. It may seem childish and unreasonable to you that the teacher got upset about getting wet. To me it is reasonable. For example, I personally have some major problems with my back and neck, and anything sudden that makes me jump or jerk in surprise tends to hurt like hell due to it. This includes getting hit with cold water. So yes, the teachers did have the right to be upset about getting hit with the water balloons.



Daniel,
If I saw you walking down the street, I'd throw a water balloon at you just for the hell of it!laugh



i guess that the teacher has as much of of a right not to get hit by a water balloon a you do not to inhale second hand smoke



ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!! If you don't want to be hit by flying water, don't be in situations where that might happen. Of course kids are going to have water balloons on the last few days of school, it's tradition. So, as an adult who is responsible for his/her own actions, it is a responsiblility of an individual to avoid situations that he/she might not want to engage in. If you don't like cigarette smoke, avoid the bar/casino. If you don't like water balloons avoid small children on hot days. Common sense stuff. I guess that's all gone now though.

I have the right not to listen to people complain about trival matters that really have no effect on anyone other than the people involved. That still doesn't stop thread after thread from being created. Should I have someone's account banned because they started a thread where someone berated me? No, that would be silly, I was an adult, and read said thread, I should be responsible for the actions I took. Can I hold others accountable to their actions? Sure, if I want to be a cry baby, call a lawyer and a cop, I can't handle small catastrophies in my life, type person. But I'd rather be a laugh it off, it really doesn't hurt anyone type person.


Single_Rob's photo
Tue 05/27/08 12:28 PM
he funniest thing about this thread is self proclaimed socialists defending the action taken against the children, then want to scream about accountability. Sonce when has a socialist ever been accountable for their actions? I thought the whole backbone of that movement was to never be responsible for anything, always be the victim, and others who will be accountable will take care of you forever. WOrkers of the world Unite

daniel48706's photo
Tue 05/27/08 12:40 PM
Edited by daniel48706 on Tue 05/27/08 12:40 PM
{quote]ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!! If you don't want to be hit by flying water, don't be in situations where that might happen. Of course kids are going to have water balloons on the last few days of school, it's tradition. So, as an adult who is responsible for his/her own actions, it is a responsiblility of an individual to avoid situations that he/she might not want to engage in

ok in regards to the original post, HOW THE HELL DOES A TEACHER NOT BE AROUND HER STUDENTS OR ON SCHOOL PROPERTY?

School property is not the teenagers property, it is community property (or private depending ont he institution), and thus open for everyone to walk around and through (or those that have a reason to be there) unmolested.

Point blank, the original post states that the students in question intentionally through the water balloons in the teacher(s) direction. Not neccessarily to hit them, but with the intent to get them wet. The key word here is INTENT. They knew what they were doing, and even though they thuoght it was harmless fun (and I agree they did not mean anything malicious by it), it doe snot excuse the fact that the teacher then had to go around in a wet outfit and be uncomfortable until it dried. Should the students have been disciplined? Yes. Should they have been suspended with no walk down the aisle? HELL NO!!!

As someone else suggested, maybe make them responsible for cleaning up the grounds before or after the graduation ceremonies. Maybe make them write a two or three page paper on cause and effect, help them learn that even though they meant no harm by throwing a waterballon, they did not know what might be triggered by it (like in the case of my bad back).

And also one last thing, always keep in mind that just because no harm was intended, if someone else DOES take [harm from an action, the person harmed should not have to pay for the medical requirements afterward (nor should their insurance).

no photo
Tue 05/27/08 01:59 PM

he funniest thing about this thread is self proclaimed socialists defending the action taken against the children, then want to scream about accountability. Sonce when has a socialist ever been accountable for their actions? I thought the whole backbone of that movement was to never be responsible for anything, always be the victim, and others who will be accountable will take care of you forever. WOrkers of the world Unite


you might want to educate yourself on what socialism is before spouting your anti-socialist rhetoric..your confusing the issue here with typical spoiled american/victim too used to getting away with murder and then crying about it when they are caught and held accountable.

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Tue 05/27/08 02:29 PM
Though I agree a punishment should be meted out,it is a wee bit harsh to ban them from the graduation ceremony as this is a once in a lifetime event.I think the kids were just letting off some steam and every year there is a senior prank.
I don't think it was disrespect,just a prank.some peeps need a wee bit less starch in their shorts.

Lindyy's photo
Tue 05/27/08 02:41 PM
Oh for the love of God. Seniors, people,SENIORS, high school almost over, a celebration and a bit of fun.

And it was WATER!.

AND who has not gone on a family, school, any type of picnic and never played 'toss the waterbaloon'?

Lighten up people.

Lindyy
:heart:


Lindyy's photo
Tue 05/27/08 02:47 PM

Though I agree a punishment should be meted out,it is a wee bit harsh to ban them from the graduation ceremony as this is a once in a lifetime event.I think the kids were just letting off some steam and every year there is a senior prank.
I don't think it was disrespect,just a prank.some peeps need a wee bit less starch in their shorts.


CLDMom,

I was going to make Toni Basil's "Hey Mickey" your theme song when you wear Mickey, but I cannot run fast.bigsmile

Oh Mickey, you're so fine
You're so fine, you blow my mind, hey Mickey, hey Mickey


Lindyy
:smile:

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Tue 05/27/08 02:58 PM
i love thats song lindyy..:heart:

Lindyy's photo
Tue 05/27/08 03:12 PM

i love thats song lindyy..:heart:


I must be reverting to my childhood. I read your post and you had Mickey up and "Hey Mickey" kept dancing in my mind!

Please do not commit me yet, give me a second chance.

Lindyy
:smile:

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Tue 05/27/08 03:28 PM
hey crazy is the new normal.we are in no danger of the bat house my friend.laugh

Lindyy's photo
Tue 05/27/08 03:40 PM
WHEW!!!!!

MsCarmen's photo
Tue 05/27/08 03:54 PM
I want another Popsicle. The kind that makes your tongue turn all kinds of funny colors.

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Tue 05/27/08 07:16 PM
my son loves those..

adj4u's photo
Tue 05/27/08 07:43 PM
everyone get your rain coats lindy's got a bin full of water ballons


insert umbrella holding emoticon here

no photo
Tue 05/27/08 09:13 PM
:angry:

mnhiker's photo
Tue 05/27/08 10:14 PM
Edited by mnhiker on Tue 05/27/08 10:15 PM

My local news broadcasted a story about a couple of seniors that threw 15 to 20 water balloons in the direction of some teachers. The teachers did not get hit by the balloons, but they did get hit by the water.

The Seniors were suspended from school and according to school policy, they are not allowed to participate in any extracurricular activities. Which means they will not be able to participate in the graduation ceremony. They will have to pick up their diplomas from the school.

The families of the Seniors feel that the punishment is to harsh and that they are being punished as well because they are being deprived the privilege of seeing their children walk across the stage to receive the diploma.

So what do you think?




The punishment is too severe.

Those teachers should remember some of the pranks they pulled when they were that age.

adj4u's photo
Wed 05/28/08 09:24 AM
well kids will be


what you let them be

and then they become adults

hhhhmmmmmmmmm

insert head scratching emoticon here