Where are you getting that this is all about sex? I'm confused about this. No part of any relationship I have ever been in had anything at all to do with sex. Yes, eventually in a relationship with mutual attraction you have sex, but a relationship is NEVER based on it alone.

I'll second that.

Oh and as far as what others think? If you live your life based on what other people think then how can you ever be happy? I do what makes me happy and if I'm with a woman I do what makes her happy, not other people happy.

LOL I completely forgot I started this thread after I started working here a while ago, but all great answers. I didn't expect three pages of them so now I will explain.

I was with one woman since I was about 15 years old. We had a child, we got married, and were married for 5 years before our divorce. It's been rare my entire life to have friends my age. Simple fact is I grew up too fast and too soon. I don't really have too many things in common with women my age or younger. However, older women do. They are grown, they tend to know what they want in life and they are usually balanced out instead of still party crazy non stop. Younger women tend to be one thing or the other because of lack of experience in life. I'm not saying that is all younger women, some of them have grown up just as fast as I have. Anyways, I was just curious about what people had to say. Thanks for all of your answers.

Oh and yeah, disdain was a bad word to use, sorry about that.

I'm just curious about the age restrictions. I have never dated a woman younger than I am, because I tend to enjoy older more mature women. The thing is most of the women older than me in the above age group seem to have disdain or unwillingness to even give a younger man my age a chance.

Wait.. you were 12 kissing a camp counselor that would most likely be 18 or older? Good thing you weren't my sister. I would have shot him.

Her name was Ashley Golden and I met her while I was visiting my grandmother in Tennessee. I honestly don't remember if we kissed, but for some reason I will never forget her. Looked all over for her, but it just so happens that is a very common name. I was maybe 14-15 at the time. I don't remember.

Or you could just go to that link I gave you and read.. epic.

Back on topic sort of.. I don't think I've ever heard of calling a female.. female being degrading.. Now I know what I've been doing wrong...

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/177949

This link shows you everything you can do on the forums.

I love this place.

You just explained my life.. congrats.

You look like Obama. =\

I concur.

Depending on what kind of guy he is he might come around..

Believe it or not, guys get scared too, except for me of course.. Anyways, he could just be scared of having a child and the only way he knows to deal with it is by lashing out and embracing denial.

Some guys come around and some don't though, there is no way to tell how he will be effected when he sees the child. I know I was scared at first and didn't know what to do. Then one day I was talking in some chatroom on IRC and some guy simply told me to stop being a ***** and do what's right. Everybody has their turning point. That was mine. That day I started my paperwork to join the military.

Chasing him down for child support though would honestly just be a waste of your time. All that really matters is having family to help you through it and you loving your new child. In the end the child matters most. Trying to force someone who is scarred into doing something usually ends bad. He will have his turning point, the only question that can't be answered is when.

It's pretty hot down here in Killeen also and that means I get to drive around with my top down.

I can't even go to the movies alone let alone sit in a restaurant without at least having some friend there with me!

Also, as far as removing themselves from the child's life that is not always as it seems. I'm stuck right now in the Army and my son lives with his mom and her new boyfriend in Louisiana. I don't see him that often due to them living so far away and I barely if ever talk to him on the phone. I'm not removing myself from his life, the simple fact is that he is the same as me. He is 6 years old and hates talking on the phone to people the same as I do. When we get together though it's a blast, because like me he is also a gamer. The last time I spoke with him and seen him was during my Christmas break and we had a blast together.

If they were abusive then so be it. That parent will hopefully one day come around and realize their errors and maybe if the child has grown up and feels the need to forgive them then so be it. My step-father who adopted me was abusive but it doesn't bother me. I'm my own man now and sometimes when I see him we hang out and have a few drinks. I don't hold anything against him because there is no point in doing that. Why waste my time and my life worrying about what someone did to me that didn't effect the outcome of my life.

On other occasions like serious serious child abuse then the parent should just be put down for good. If I knew about it when it was happening I would do it myself. I have no problem taking someones life who is willing to take and hurt a child. That's just me though.

Off topic.. I don't think aside from my ex-wife that after her I have yet to date a woman without kids that I didn't like and I would have been completely willing to take them in as my own, but luckily they all still had their fathers in their lives. That is always better than having someone else take the true fathers spot. You can love them and you can be there for them but a guy should never try to push their true father out of the picture. If a guy tried to do that with my son he would wake up 6 feet under the ground in a box trying to figure out how he got there and how much more air he has before its all over and done with.