The violence still comes from both sides.


Israeli settlers wound Palestinians, say witnesses


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/israeli-settlers-wound-palestinians-witnesses-20110321-072432-904.html;_ylt=AgN_rWc_QWLo9PKbkrhTZFUvssB_;_ylu=X3oDMTNlcjU1N3RqBHBrZwM1NTQ1OTk2Yi02ZjIyLTM3MGUtOGM1NC1jMzA2ZmU0NGZjY2QEcG9zAzEzBHNlYwNsbl9MYXRlc3ROZXdzX2dhbAR2ZXIDZDYzYTA5YzAtNTNjNy0xMWUwLWJmZmYtOGZjMGM4MTI2NTZh;_ylv=3

Ethnic cleansing... is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.



Definition of Terrorism under U.S. Law:
the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents



Do you see mass murder specified in the definition of Ethnic Cleansing? It's not there. What is there is "purposeful policy".

Do you see bus bombings, rocket attacks, cafe bombings or hijackings specified in the definition of terrorism? It not there either. It states "premeditated, politically motivated violence"


Removal of people with documented proof that the land they have built their home and farm on is not theirs because of biblical ownership isn't ethnic cleansing? Using every means to ensure that they will leave is a "purposeful policy". You don't have to massacre people to clear them from an area.Shooting, throwing stones at children and women with infants is not heated debate. It is violence and done to force people from their homes. These places aren't dismantled an Israeli family moves in. That is Ethnic Cleansing...removal of one ethnic / religious group from a certain area to have your own move in.

According to the definition of terrorism the settlers are terrorists. They stone, shoot, damage the property, destroy the means of earning a living or just being able to have means of sustaining life (unless destroying fields, cutting down orchards and placing cement in wells is normal behavior by any standard of society).

As to the dismantling of Israeli settlements:

http://www.poica.org/editor/case_studies/view.php?recordID=886

Ethnic cleansing... is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.

hebron settlers and the olive harvest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMA3baJa6tg



Racist settler aggression in land stealing operation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5OOGBRHq8A&feature=related


Settlers pouring cement into spring.wmv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZKjdDaZhwc&feature=related



Israeli settlers & soldiers intimidate young shepherd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8s8x0h8wA0&feature=related



It would seem that it is Israel's turn to cry "lebensraum" and the Palestinians will pay the price for it. Illegal Palestinian homes? Homes that have been in families for 50+ years, built by Palestinians where there was nothing, on land that was not even Israel's before 1967

The extremists claim of 'Biblical ownership' does not hold up.







Prime Minister Ehud Olmert described the attacks by Jewish settlers on innocent Arabs following the forced evacuation of the disputed Hebron house no less than a pogrom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsEOKpw2T0A


Definition of Pogrom:
An organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group, especially one conducted against Jews.


Definition of Terrorism under U.S. Law:
the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents




Settlers throw rocks at Palestinian children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ovdA1VZ-c&feature=related


http://cpt.org/files/Palestine-School-Accompaniment-Report-2006-2008-Dangerous-Journey.pdf


B'Tselem Documents Settler violence against Palestinians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpHzrrHuGmk&feature=related



The Settlers are terrorists.

Do not attack innocent civilians ?? Do not ethnically cleanse ?? Did you even look at what is at those links? A woman, mother, wife INNOCENT was allowed to die because IDF wouldn't let an ambulance through after causing her injuries by blowing off the door to a family home!!!! A 13 yr old was targeted INTENTIONALLY by an IDF sniper under order to kill her !!! People are forcibly removed from their homes because they are Palestinians to make way for good Israelis !!! Israeli soldiers stating that their orders were to 'cleanse' a neighborhood of Gaza, watching as people left their homes with nothing.

Settlers are no more than state sponsored terrorists. Firing into Palestinian fields, homes, forcing Palestinians out of their homes while the IDF, claiming that it protects the civilians on all sides, turns a blind eye !!

Again, I read that article you posted. From that article there is no indication that it was indeed terrorists that committed the crime. Indeed the terrorists, who never refuse to take credit for their actions, haven't done so in this case.

Will Israel be so quick to apologize or admit error or even make it public if/when they find that this was a case of plain home-grown murder? I doubt it. The pity etc garnered from "Innocents slaughtered in their sleep by terrorists" will be too good to give up.

Young Man in tape was not killed by Israelis but was shot with a rubber bullet in leg despite regulations. Israeli military police investigating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ST5m9pREQ&feature=related


Another example of 'selective' filming
Muhammad al Durrah ... the faked killing of 12 yr old Palestinian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzsCBFhCsyY










Justified? Self defense? Humane?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl6-ezZTlYc&feature=related



Obviously not a threat...released after being abused by IDF. Justified? Self defense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoxytKc0zHU&feature=related



"IDF ordered to 'cleanse' Gaza". Ethnic cleansing, and make no mistake this is just that, is not Justifiable, Humane or Self defense!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lFHaIgCDE4


Settlers / IDF harrassing Palestinians. Justified?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAjYAXh8pjM&NR=1


Footage that actually made it to Israeli tv. The deliberate killing of a 13 yr old girl. Justifiable, Self defense? Ethical? Though being 'investigated' it is not a lone incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y0Mi9UztOk&feature=related


When even a Jewish British Statesman recognizes that Israel crosses the line without any fear of repercussions.

British Statemen in Parlaiment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8&feature=related







This is as bad as selective filming. If you are going to post an article ...post the whole article.. surprisingly not eeveryone takes the time to go read it since you posted it. The Palestinians have denied all knowledge and have not claimed this action. They never give up a chance to claim what they do.

A family slaughtered in the night by stabbing sounds more like a domestic, home-grown murder. A sensless act never the less.









msharmony is quite correct. The bs happenes on both sides.

To be blind to the errors done by Israel is no different than German citizens being blind to the atrocities committed by their leaders during the war. "I didn't know" and "I was following orders" were not acceptable excuses then and should not be now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Vt0yHnN_4

And .... a not so great decision.

http://www.military.com/news/article/high-court-rules-in-favor-of-westboro-church.html?ESRC=dod.nl

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/03/3055888.htm


http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Priest_Abuse



http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2010/03_04/2010_04_06_GrandForks_FormerGreenbush.htm

Today, women make up 15 per cent of the Canadian military with over 7,900 female personnel currently serving in the regular force and more than 4,800 women serving in the primary reserve. Out of that number, 225 women are part of the regular combat force and 925 are enlisted in the primary reserve combat force.

In May 2006, Canada experienced its first loss of an active combat female soldier. Capt. Nichola Goddard died on the front lines during a battle against the Taliban in Afghanistan


http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/women-cdnmilitary.html




The Canadian Armed Forces opened all occupations, including combat roles, to women in 1989. Only submarines were excluded and they followed in 2000.

Capt. Nichola Goddard

Capt. Nichola Goddard, 26, had been serving in Afghanistan with the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. She was a member of the Royal Canadian Horse Artillery, based in Shilo, Man.

Goddard died about 6:55 p.m. local time (10:25 a.m. EDT) in a military operation against Taliban forces near Kandahar, where the majority of the country's 2,300 soldiers in Afghanistan are serving.

Canadian soldiers had been called in to support Afghan troops fighting in the Panjwai region, about 24 kilometres west of Kandahar.

Goddard was Forward Observation Officer and crew commander.

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Trooper Karine Blais

Blais was killed while riding in an armoured vehicle in the Shah Wali Kot District north of Kandahar city. She was serving with the 2nd Battalion, Royal 22nd Regiment battle group, based at Valcartier, Que. Four other soldiers were hurt in the blast.

She is the 117th Canadian soldier to die in the Afghan mission since 2002 – and the second woman – the majority of whom were killed by roadside bombs

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Master Cpl. Kristal Giesebrecht

Master Cpl. Kristal Giesebrecht and Pte. Andrew Miller, both medics from CFB Petawawa, had been responding to a report of a mine found in the doorway of a home when their vehicle detonated the IED, the military said. The blast occurred about 20 kilometres southwest of the city of Kandahar.


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They can do the job as well as any man .............. let them.

http://policelink.monster.com/topics/79351-bpa-brian-a-terry-usdhs-cbp-border-patrol-us-govt-eow-12-15-2010/posts




Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was shot and killed near Rio Rico, Arizona, while attempting to apprehend a group of armed subjects. The suspects had been preying on illegal immigrants with the intent to rob them.


Agent Terry and several other agents were attempting to arrest the group when shots were exchanged between the suspects and agents. Agent Terry was reportedly struck in the back by rounds fired by a suspect armed with an AK-47.


Agent Terry was transported to a hospital where he succumbed to his wounds early the following morning.


Four members of the group were taken into custody and at least one suspect remains at large.


Agent Terry was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran and had served with the United States Border Patrol for 3.5 years. He is survived by his parents, brother, and two sisters.

How about fighting and dying to be buried in the best known and honored military cemetery in US?

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Crescents among the crosses at Arlington Cemetery

Sunday, August 31 2008 @ 06:48 PM EDT

Contributed by: Muslim Military Members Webmaster

Views: 3,390
Veteran Affairs Forgotten by both Muslim and non-Muslim Americans this Memorial Day are the many Muslim who have served in the US armed forces.

By Shahed Amanullah, May 30, 2005

If you ever visit Arlington National Cemetery, as many are doing on this Memorial Day, you may notice that every now and then, a crescent pops up among the field of crosses. Few Americans are aware that many American Muslims have fought and died in the US Armed Forces, including in Iraq. When you wander the cemetery grounds that overlook Washington, DC, you'll notice the grave of Army Captain Humayun Khan, who lured a suicide car bomb away from the men in his charge, saving their lives but giving up his own.
You might also come across the grave of Army Spc. Rasheed Sahib, an American Muslim from Guyana who was killed in Iraq as well, under mysterious circumstances. And then there's Army Spc. Omead Razani, a son of Iranian immigrants who also died in Iraq. Also, Marine Staff Sgt. Kendall Damon Waters-Bey was killed in a helicopter crash on his way to duty in Iraq. In fact, you'll find the graves of fallen Muslim soldiers and Muslim veterans in military cemeteries all over the United States, from Hassein Ahmed (Army, WWII) to Ibrahim Muhammad (Navy, WWII), from Mahir Hasan (Army, Korea) to Abul Fateh Umar Khan (Air Force, Korea).

Today, nearly 15,000 Muslims serve in the US Armed Forces, under situations of conflicting loyalties and misunderstanding both by their non-Muslim colleagues as well as other Muslims. "We don't have to prove anything," said Imam Ghayth Nur Kashif, a Korean War veteran and former counselor for the Muslim American Military Association. "Many of us were born here so it's really kind of an insult for people to question are you an American."

Shahed Amanullah is editor-in-chief of altmuslim.com.

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Now you now of some.

I know that I posted this before but this is the day for it.





Dialing America

I tried to call America this morning
But she was too busy searching for her missing children
Please try your call at another time

I tried to call America this afternoon
But she was too busy mourning for the slaughtered innocents
Could I please call back at a more appropriate time

I tried to call America this evening
But all I got was a busy signal as She girded herself for war
The party I was trying to reach was not available at this time

So I hung up the phone and walked down to America
I searched for the living and collected the dead
And together we mourned as one
And I raged with Her and wept tears of loss
And offered Her the comfort of my embrace
And the phone rang regardless



Written 9-11-01
By Janie-Lee Dawe

Fatwa: Muslims in the Military
An Islamic legal opinion on Muslims serving in the U.S. Armed Forces.

This fatwa, or legal opinion by an Islamic scholar, was issued in October, 2001 to address the concerns of some Muslims in the military about fighting in Muslim countries. The fatwa was written by Dr. Taha Jabir Al-alawani, President of the Fiqh Council of the North America and President of the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences and Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanooti, member of the fiqh council, and was announced by the American Muslim Council.

"All Muslims ought to be united against all those who terrorize the innocents, and those who permit the killing of non-combatants without a justifiable reason.


"The Muslim soldier must perform his duty in this fight despite the feeling of uneasiness of 'fighting without discriminating.' His intention must be to fight for enjoining of the truth and defeating falsehood. It's to prevent aggression on the innocents, or to apprehend the perpetrators and bring them to justice. It's not his concern what other consequences of the fighting that might result in his personal discomfort, since he alone can neither control it nor prevent it. Furthermore, all deeds are accounted (by God) according to the intentions.


"To sum up, it's acceptable-God willing-for the Muslim American military personnel to partake in the fighting in the upcoming battles, against whomever their country decides has perpetrated terrorism against them. Keeping in mind to have the proper intention, as explained earlier, so no doubts would be cast about their loyalty to their country, or to prevent harm to befall them as might be expected. This is in accordance with the Islamic jurisprudence rules, which state that necessities dictate exceptions, as well as the rule that says one may endure a small harm to avoid a much greater harm. And God the Most High is Most Knowledgeable and Most Wise."

U.N. does nor 'own' any materiel including vehicles. Materiel is used / loaned by member nations for specific needs. Most commonly used by the troops of the nation loaning.

The opinion being sought is from the United Nations Human Rights Council. They can't make a 'ruling' only give an opinion.

N.A.T.O. (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) is a different organization. Where the United Nations is primarily political (intergovernmental) N.A.T.O. is a military alliance.


btw It's the NATO treaty that has / had Canadian aircraft turning back Soviet aircraft during Cold War. DEW (Distant Early Warning) line is in Canada and I still remember the dawn patrols taking off at 0500hrs.

Actually, according to mitochondrial DNA Native Americans are closer to Asians. This also follows the Siberia/Alaska land bridge migration theory.
No Native American (North or South America) is Hispanic since the Spaniards arrived long after the native populations were already well established.
Add to that that she did specify a Northern nation that would rule out the Spaniards.
Hispanic girl ?? Not likely.

Here's a poll not done by an American news station CBC is Canadian) and conducted with respondents world wide, US included.

Sorry, couldn't find a Canadian poll strictly on US/Iraq though Iraq question is part of this one.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/america/poll.html

No Fox, ABC, CBS


This one seems to be a mish mash toss of several. Concentrating mostly on Iraq and American companies produced.

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

And a good reason to NOT want the US mixed in that company. Hence asking for an outside opinion. You will note that I did clearly state..."To avoid being cited alongside the following by the world community "



* Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

From arguments I have seen against this law there is fear of ethnic discrimination and profiling and this is what seems to have made the law so controversial.



You ever find a perfect government ... let me know. I'll move.



I didn't say I liked or disliked....I stated that maybe it was a way to NOT have the international community look at the US as a human rights violator. As for the imposing, it's an opinion being asked for NOT a UN Resolution, Condemnation or imposition of International Sanctions.

So seeking an opinion:

"U.S. State Department would refer the recently passed immigration law in his state to the United Nations Human Rights Council for review."


on a law which is controversial

“A recent Arizona law, S.B. 1070, has generated significant attention and debate at home and around the world.


To avoid being cited alongside the following by the world community

"countries such as China, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Russia, Cuba, Pakistan, Tunisia and Egypt."


Is a bad thing?


Want it or not, admit it or not. The U.S. is part of the international community. It is also a nation which for decades has touted Democracy and Freedom around the world. Now the world sees a law which is certainly controversial when outsiders view it and compare it to the message the U.S. has spread for decades. Where a review will not affect a single thing in the U.S. it would show the international community that the U.S. is not acting counter to the message of freedom it so proudly throws about.





Unless of course .... said law actually is against The Universal Declaration of Human Rights





Article 2.

* Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.


Article 6.

* Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.


Article 7.

* All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.


Article 9.

* No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.


Article 10.

* Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.



Article 12.

* No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.




Article 30.

* Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.



Full Text: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Again... you cannot support the documents that created, guide, form the basis of your nation and want to go against them at the same time. Either you support them and ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL and THERE IS FREEDOM OF RELIGION including Muslims / Islam or you do not support them and all men are not created equal and there is no freedom of religion.

You want the Constitution followed, the ideals of the Founding Fathers adhered to ... except for a select group which is completely against what you say you support!!

I'm not the one trying to have things both ways ... you on the other hand want the Constitution followed .... except for those parts which give freedoms to all.


It's really quite sad when a Canadian defends the Constitution and the rights it gives ALL citizens and ALL beliefs in the United States.