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Edited by
Dragoness
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Opinion: Who's Being Insensitive About the 'Ground Zero Mosque'?
Updated: 13 hours 27 minutes ago Print Text Size Michael Cohen Michael Cohen Contributor AOL News (Aug. 26) -- Over the past few weeks as the furor over the Cordoba House project near ground zero has grown, opponents of the plan have seized on a novel argument to avoid the charge that they're seeking to constrain the religious freedom of American Muslims. They argue that while religious groups have the right to build a place of worship anywhere they please -- and the government can't lawfully block such an effort -- the project shouldn't go forward because it rubs raw the sensitivities of the families of 9/11 victims. Case in point is a recent op-ed by, of all people, Karen Hughes, who not only served in the Bush administration State Department with a special responsibility to conduct outreach to the Muslim world, but also sent the imam behind the project, Feisal Abdul Rauf, overseas to tell the Islamic world what it was like to be a Muslim living in the United States. Nonetheless, Hughes argues that "I believe that most Americans who oppose locating a mosque near Ground Zero are neither anti-freedom nor anti-Muslim; they just don't believe it's respectful, given what happened there." On the surface, this all seems very reasonable. Build the center, just away from ground zero, out of respect for the victims' families. But dig a little deeper and an uglier truth emerges. Hughes' argument is predicated on the notion that American Muslims somehow bear collective responsibility for the behavior of the 19 Muslim men who carried out the 9/11 attacks and the relative handful of al-Qaida operatives who helped conceive and support the plan. Inherent in this argument is the assumption that, at some level, all Muslims have terrorist sympathies until proven otherwise. Hence the repeated calls for Muslim-Americans to condemn jihadist or other Islamic terrorist groups as a means of proving their loyalty to the United States. The Muslim community in America is being held to a far different standard than other religions. Earlier this month, a Gainesville, Fla., Christian minister proposed holding an "International Burn a Koran Day" to commemorate the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. And earlier this year, the United Nations issued a comprehensive report accusing the Israeli government of committing war crimes in its 2009 offensive in Gaza. But who would suggest that churches or synagogues across the country should be picketed? Who would consider it appropriate to blame all Christians or all Jews for the actions of their co-religionists? And it's not as if anti-Mosque protests have been restricted to the "hallowed ground" of lower Manhattan. As I noted here a few weeks ago, protests have been launched against proposed mosques in Tennessee, Kentucky, Wisconsin and New York City's Staten Island. To make the argument that opposition to Cordoba House is about nothing more than sensitivities to 9/11 is to willfully ignore the growing wave of hatred and intolerance being directed against American Muslims in both red and blue states. As Hughes is well aware -- and makes clear in her op-ed -- not all Muslims can be defined by al-Qaida and its fanatical followers. Indeed, it might come as a surprise to many Americans that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida are increasingly marginal players in the Islamic world, shunned by the vast majority of Muslims, including Muslim-Americans. Considering the enormous divide between Islamic terror groups and supporters of the Cordoba House project (who have condemned the terrorist acts of al-Qaida and the hateful ideology that inspired it), the more appropriate response to this project from Hughes and others would be to explain those critical distinctions, rather than cater to ignorance and fear in the name of the 9/11 families. Perhaps the greatest irony is that lumping all Muslims together -- as mosque opponents are doing -- will give comfort to bin Laden and his dwindling band of followers by bolstering his argument that America is at war with Islam. To be sure, this isn't the first time Americans have been scapegoated or held collectively responsible during times of conflict. And the level of animosity directed toward Muslims today is hardly close to what occurred against the Japanese, say, during World War II or communist sympathizers during the McCarthy witch hunts. Nonetheless, the fact that so many Americans are willing to accept an argument that holds all Islamic believers responsible for the actions of a few represents a frightening trend in American society. The simple fact is that the insensitivities in this debate are coming not from Cordoba House supporters, but from its opponents, who seem far too willing to paint all Muslims with the broad brush of jihadist terrorism. http://www.aolnews.com/opinion/article/opinion-whos-being-insensitive-about-the-ground-zero-mosque/19606975 
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Well, none of us wrote the Quar-an. A Pedophile Syphilitic nutcase wrote it. their religion is based on conquest and subjugation of all non Islamics.
Like I said, the more I get to know and understand Islam the more I see it as a vile and evil religion that actually needs to either change its bible or prepare for zero tolerance. Also look at how well off most pro-Islamic nations are excepting Saudi Arabia. How about Somalia? How about Indonesia? TOILET NATIONS thanks to Islam. I cannot support tolerance of an intolerant religion no matter how "peaceful" many of their "local" faithful are peaceful. If they preach the sheet that the Quar-an tells them to preach they are not truly people of peace. Tolerance is given where tolerance is offered. |
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Edited by
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http://mingle2.com/topic/show/282103 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/282103 etc. etc. Dig a little deeper and it is seen that it has nothing to do with blaming American Muslims for 911. |
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It is understood that the United States gives people the right to practice any religion they want. Freedom of religion is okay. People have the right to purchase private property also. Private property was purchased at ground zero by a company called Soho Properties for the cost of $4.5 million. Although, the business did not have revenues counting half this last year, they had the money to buy the property. The mosque will cost $200 million to build when completed. The $200 million is coming from foreign sources, not Americans or citizens of the United States. Mayor Bloomberg says we as people do not have a right to ask where the funding for this church is coming from. He says as you would not ask the church who put money in the basket at your church. The problem is that the funding for this church is not coming from our American citizens as our local church's funding comes from the local citizens of the church. We all must tell the government where all of our money comes from at the end of each year when we file our taxes or surely, we are committing some kind of crime. It appears we can build something and call it a church to protect us from having to answer to anyone. There are no American born citizens funding this project.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5713908/the_cordoba_house_park_51_inappropriate.html?cat=9 |
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'Cordoba House' (do the research to see why this name is significant to them) is an islamic MILITARY VICTORY MONUMENT that they want placed at the scene of their greatest MILITARY VICTORY over the 'great satan' - us. Ignoring the reality of this is the mistake that the bleeding heart types who just 'want to get along' and 'be fair' will never comprehend.
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Yea, AOL isn't partisan or anything.
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It is understood that the United States gives people the right to practice any religion they want. Freedom of religion is okay. People have the right to purchase private property also. Private property was purchased at ground zero by a company called Soho Properties for the cost of $4.5 million. Although, the business did not have revenues counting half this last year, they had the money to buy the property. The mosque will cost $200 million to build when completed. The $200 million is coming from foreign sources, not Americans or citizens of the United States. Mayor Bloomberg says we as people do not have a right to ask where the funding for this church is coming from. He says as you would not ask the church who put money in the basket at your church. The problem is that the funding for this church is not coming from our American citizens as our local church's funding comes from the local citizens of the church. We all must tell the government where all of our money comes from at the end of each year when we file our taxes or surely, we are committing some kind of crime. It appears we can build something and call it a church to protect us from having to answer to anyone. There are no American born citizens funding this project. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5713908/the_cordoba_house_park_51_inappropriate.html?cat=9 Foreign investment in this country is nothing new, it happens every day. The government even borrows money from foreign governments by issuing Treasury debt. If you’ll notice the $200 million that you’re so concerned about coming from a foreign source is pocket change to what our government borrows from foreign sources. Something else that is not new in the U.S. – freedom of religion. Again, pay attention to the number of religions that have been brought here from foreign cultures and then established in our country. The beauty of the Constitution is that it must be maintained to be an all-inclusive policy of human rights because any alternative would endanger the human rights of every person. It’s an all or nothing proposition – Feel safe and secure that your rights are protected, or deny those same rights to any group and your rights are in danger of suffering the same fate. http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt MAJOR FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES( in billions of dollars) China, Mainland 843.7 Japan 803.6 United Kingdom 362.2 Oil Exporters 223.0 Carib Bnkng Ctrs 165.2 Brazil 158.4 Total of All: 4009.2 That’s trillion There are many other countries on the list but these were the highest. Russia is two places under Brazil on the list presented here. Department of the Treasury/Federal Reserve Board August 16, 2010 1/ Estimated foreign holdings of U.S. Treasury marketable and non-marketable bills, bonds, and notes reported under the Treasury International Capital (TIC) reporting system are based on annual Surveys of Foreign Holdings of U.S. Securities and on monthly data. 2/ United Kingdom includes Channel Islands and Isle of Man. 3/ Oil exporters include Ecuador, Venezuela, Indonesia, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar,Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Gabon, Libya, and Nigeria. 4/ Caribbean Banking Centers include Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Netherlands Antilles and Panama.Beginning with new series for June 2006, also includes British Virgin Islands. NOTE: I thought it was interesting to note the Oil exporters and who they were, so I included that information, directly above, as well. |
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It is understood that the United States gives people the right to practice any religion they want. Freedom of religion is okay. People have the right to purchase private property also. Private property was purchased at ground zero by a company called Soho Properties for the cost of $4.5 million. Although, the business did not have revenues counting half this last year, they had the money to buy the property. The mosque will cost $200 million to build when completed. The $200 million is coming from foreign sources, not Americans or citizens of the United States. Mayor Bloomberg says we as people do not have a right to ask where the funding for this church is coming from. He says as you would not ask the church who put money in the basket at your church. The problem is that the funding for this church is not coming from our American citizens as our local church's funding comes from the local citizens of the church. We all must tell the government where all of our money comes from at the end of each year when we file our taxes or surely, we are committing some kind of crime. It appears we can build something and call it a church to protect us from having to answer to anyone. There are no American born citizens funding this project. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5713908/the_cordoba_house_park_51_inappropriate.html?cat=9 Foreign investment in this country is nothing new, it happens every day. The government even borrows money from foreign governments by issuing Treasury debt. If you’ll notice the $200 million that you’re so concerned about coming from a foreign source is pocket change to what our government borrows from foreign sources. Something else that is not new in the U.S. – freedom of religion. Again, pay attention to the number of religions that have been brought here from foreign cultures and then established in our country. The beauty of the Constitution is that it must be maintained to be an all-inclusive policy of human rights because any alternative would endanger the human rights of every person. It’s an all or nothing proposition – Feel safe and secure that your rights are protected, or deny those same rights to any group and your rights are in danger of suffering the same fate. http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt MAJOR FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES( in billions of dollars) China, Mainland 843.7 Japan 803.6 United Kingdom 362.2 Oil Exporters 223.0 Carib Bnkng Ctrs 165.2 Brazil 158.4 Total of All: 4009.2 That’s trillion There are many other countries on the list but these were the highest. Russia is two places under Brazil on the list presented here. Department of the Treasury/Federal Reserve Board August 16, 2010 1/ Estimated foreign holdings of U.S. Treasury marketable and non-marketable bills, bonds, and notes reported under the Treasury International Capital (TIC) reporting system are based on annual Surveys of Foreign Holdings of U.S. Securities and on monthly data. 2/ United Kingdom includes Channel Islands and Isle of Man. 3/ Oil exporters include Ecuador, Venezuela, Indonesia, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar,Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Gabon, Libya, and Nigeria. 4/ Caribbean Banking Centers include Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Netherlands Antilles and Panama.Beginning with new series for June 2006, also includes British Virgin Islands. NOTE: I thought it was interesting to note the Oil exporters and who they were, so I included that information, directly above, as well. i'm denying nobody anything... i have said all along i just want them to put it some where else...and i know they have a right, i have heard that before... speaking of rights, the reason i posted that earlier is my wondering why bloomberg is so uppity about putting it there... then he goes on to say it's unamerican to check where they get the money to build the mosque. I believe our whole countries safety is involved here, and that's the most American thing i can think why it should be investigated. Is it ok if the money is being funded by terrorist groups? what if the people that donate the money start demanding favors, like the sleeper cells. i just posted an article about a couple in canada who had something to do with a terrorist plot. |
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Blah blah blah blah...yeah, we already know its those evil Americans who are being rude and insensitive towards those poor, peace loving Muslims.
I guess we were rude and insensitive towards the Nazi's too....so let the leftists bring them back and prop them up and tell them we're sorry for everything we did to them. |
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It is understood that the United States gives people the right to practice any religion they want. Freedom of religion is okay. People have the right to purchase private property also. Private property was purchased at ground zero by a company called Soho Properties for the cost of $4.5 million. Although, the business did not have revenues counting half this last year, they had the money to buy the property. The mosque will cost $200 million to build when completed. The $200 million is coming from foreign sources, not Americans or citizens of the United States. Mayor Bloomberg says we as people do not have a right to ask where the funding for this church is coming from. He says as you would not ask the church who put money in the basket at your church. The problem is that the funding for this church is not coming from our American citizens as our local church's funding comes from the local citizens of the church. We all must tell the government where all of our money comes from at the end of each year when we file our taxes or surely, we are committing some kind of crime. It appears we can build something and call it a church to protect us from having to answer to anyone. There are no American born citizens funding this project. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5713908/the_cordoba_house_park_51_inappropriate.html?cat=9 Im just curious how they have verified whether any sources are american or that all sources are foreign? |
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It is understood that the United States gives people the right to practice any religion they want. Freedom of religion is okay. People have the right to purchase private property also. Private property was purchased at ground zero by a company called Soho Properties for the cost of $4.5 million. Although, the business did not have revenues counting half this last year, they had the money to buy the property. The mosque will cost $200 million to build when completed. The $200 million is coming from foreign sources, not Americans or citizens of the United States. Mayor Bloomberg says we as people do not have a right to ask where the funding for this church is coming from. He says as you would not ask the church who put money in the basket at your church. The problem is that the funding for this church is not coming from our American citizens as our local church's funding comes from the local citizens of the church. We all must tell the government where all of our money comes from at the end of each year when we file our taxes or surely, we are committing some kind of crime. It appears we can build something and call it a church to protect us from having to answer to anyone. There are no American born citizens funding this project. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5713908/the_cordoba_house_park_51_inappropriate.html?cat=9 Im just curious how they have verified whether any sources are american or that all sources are foreign? |
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Opinion: Who's Being Insensitive About the 'Ground Zero Mosque'? Updated: 13 hours 27 minutes ago Print Text Size Michael Cohen Michael Cohen Contributor AOL News (Aug. 26) -- Over the past few weeks as the furor over the Cordoba House project near ground zero has grown, opponents of the plan have seized on a novel argument to avoid the charge that they're seeking to constrain the religious freedom of American Muslims. They argue that while religious groups have the right to build a place of worship anywhere they please -- and the government can't lawfully block such an effort -- the project shouldn't go forward because it rubs raw the sensitivities of the families of 9/11 victims. Case in point is a recent op-ed by, of all people, Karen Hughes, who not only served in the Bush administration State Department with a special responsibility to conduct outreach to the Muslim world, but also sent the imam behind the project, Feisal Abdul Rauf, overseas to tell the Islamic world what it was like to be a Muslim living in the United States. Nonetheless, Hughes argues that "I believe that most Americans who oppose locating a mosque near Ground Zero are neither anti-freedom nor anti-Muslim; they just don't believe it's respectful, given what happened there." On the surface, this all seems very reasonable. Build the center, just away from ground zero, out of respect for the victims' families. But dig a little deeper and an uglier truth emerges. Hughes' argument is predicated on the notion that American Muslims somehow bear collective responsibility for the behavior of the 19 Muslim men who carried out the 9/11 attacks and the relative handful of al-Qaida operatives who helped conceive and support the plan. Inherent in this argument is the assumption that, at some level, all Muslims have terrorist sympathies until proven otherwise. Hence the repeated calls for Muslim-Americans to condemn jihadist or other Islamic terrorist groups as a means of proving their loyalty to the United States. The Muslim community in America is being held to a far different standard than other religions. Earlier this month, a Gainesville, Fla., Christian minister proposed holding an "International Burn a Koran Day" to commemorate the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. And earlier this year, the United Nations issued a comprehensive report accusing the Israeli government of committing war crimes in its 2009 offensive in Gaza. But who would suggest that churches or synagogues across the country should be picketed? Who would consider it appropriate to blame all Christians or all Jews for the actions of their co-religionists? And it's not as if anti-Mosque protests have been restricted to the "hallowed ground" of lower Manhattan. As I noted here a few weeks ago, protests have been launched against proposed mosques in Tennessee, Kentucky, Wisconsin and New York City's Staten Island. To make the argument that opposition to Cordoba House is about nothing more than sensitivities to 9/11 is to willfully ignore the growing wave of hatred and intolerance being directed against American Muslims in both red and blue states. As Hughes is well aware -- and makes clear in her op-ed -- not all Muslims can be defined by al-Qaida and its fanatical followers. Indeed, it might come as a surprise to many Americans that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida are increasingly marginal players in the Islamic world, shunned by the vast majority of Muslims, including Muslim-Americans. Considering the enormous divide between Islamic terror groups and supporters of the Cordoba House project (who have condemned the terrorist acts of al-Qaida and the hateful ideology that inspired it), the more appropriate response to this project from Hughes and others would be to explain those critical distinctions, rather than cater to ignorance and fear in the name of the 9/11 families. Perhaps the greatest irony is that lumping all Muslims together -- as mosque opponents are doing -- will give comfort to bin Laden and his dwindling band of followers by bolstering his argument that America is at war with Islam. To be sure, this isn't the first time Americans have been scapegoated or held collectively responsible during times of conflict. And the level of animosity directed toward Muslims today is hardly close to what occurred against the Japanese, say, during World War II or communist sympathizers during the McCarthy witch hunts. Nonetheless, the fact that so many Americans are willing to accept an argument that holds all Islamic believers responsible for the actions of a few represents a frightening trend in American society. The simple fact is that the insensitivities in this debate are coming not from Cordoba House supporters, but from its opponents, who seem far too willing to paint all Muslims with the broad brush of jihadist terrorism. http://www.aolnews.com/opinion/article/opinion-whos-being-insensitive-about-the-ground-zero-mosque/19606975
I found a bit of inspiring news to add to the issue,, thought you could appreciate it,,, http://www.peacefultomorrows.org/article.php?id=986 oh, welcome back to politics ( I meant to post that a while ago...lol) |
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this video kind of sums it up as to what i'm thinking whats going on with the muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpM6QKaAgP0&feature=player_embedded#! |
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Religion--------------an excuse to kill maim and build destructive devices all the while destroying ourselves in the name of God and our lord saviour.............be forgiving yet kill those that do not follow your beliefs.........throughout history Christian Jews and muslims so on and so forth fought killing each other in the name of religious law upheld by controlling government s supposedly set forth for the good of the people......killing what they call pagans/infidels for beliefs not of their own.......funny how it seems they each call themselves civilized but when it comes right down.........they are more barbaric than each individual they kill maim and abuse in the name of their gods
Amazing how everything triangulates into barbery....... |
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Religion--------------an excuse to kill maim and build destructive devices all the while destroying ourselves in the name of God and our lord saviour.............be forgiving yet kill those that do not follow your beliefs.........throughout history Christian Jews and muslims so on and so forth fought killing each other in the name of religious law upheld by controlling government s supposedly set forth for the good of the people......killing what they call pagans/infidels for beliefs not of their own.......funny how it seems they each call themselves civilized but when it comes right down.........they are more barbaric than each individual they kill maim and abuse in the name of their gods Amazing how everything triangulates into barbery....... Because that in lies the inherent nature of man. Human nature is to be pseudo animalistic. We want control and will try to out number our enemies to have superior muscle. On thing that sets us apart is we use tools and in the case of Americans the tools of war are far more effective then that of those of say people from Peru. Yes they have rifles but we have a lot more and also training and integration of the same systems that allow us to be more effective in combat. The terrible reality is that war is a mechanism of any organism to control its own numbers. Typically if any unassociated animal groups like monkeys come into contact with one another they will attack each other unless they manage to define boarders. Even then they skirmish with each other to extend their territories. Considering the numbers we breed with war in inevitable to regulate us from overpopulating to the meltdown point but that might change. In true Islam like the video says it is all about perpetual fear of every one and every thing around you. It is you against the world and Islam as an Islamic. Counties under their control are not as lawless as they seem. Revenge and getting even is everything in Islam. they have a bloated sense of Justice and use Sharia law to impose more than draconian law and oppression upon their own. Islam is more than a religion and is something to fear becasue it conflicts with our constitution and they have a patter of operation. They spit on cultures they live among and use tolerance to hide behind. This is a sick pattern. Until the heart of man itself changes things will be as they are. Look at why women have to cover themselves. In Islam they are trying to force people to control themselves by taking things away from them like allowing women freedom. They think they can control men and womens' sexual attractions by covering themselves up. Men are supposedly so out of control that by covering a woman up they can remain clean of impure thoughts. Islam is about total control and keeping people at each others throats even among their own. A Devout Muslim can declare another to not be devout enough and get him killed. Islam is not a religion of peace or love. I vehemently oppose that religion. They are going to bring us war on the scale of WWII soon enough. It is just stupidity and madness! F Islam! |
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Ever notice how the libwhack crowd always uses the 'overwhelm the discussion' principle with tons 'n reams of 'copy / paste' material from their 'oh-so-unbiased' sites ... like AOL or DailyKOS, Democratic Underground, HuffPo, Salon, Slate, etc ... ? I mean, sure all those 'sites' are 'reliable' ... but only at about the same 'reliability' level y' get when y' use the 'three-color-corncob' solution in the outhouse ...
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ever notice the conflicting strategies used to imply information is irrelevant or a liberal tactic either because there isnt supporting EVIDENCE for the opinion or because there is too much EVIDENCE(copy and pasting) and not enough opinion
I always thought discussion required both information and THEN opinion about the information shared,,,,shrugs |
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I rarely post anymore. It's always the same hate, fear, extremist opinions.
Paint an entire group with the same brush because of extremists within that group. Not all Muslims are terrorists !! Just as not all Christians bomb abortion clinics, not all Italians are Mafioso, not all priests are pedophiles and not all Americans are gangsters. Does the term "nisei" mean anything to anyone? Internment camps on American soil to hold American citizens? Same illogical fear, hate and extremism. Try looking up 442nd Regimental Combat Team after you've looked up "nisei". For it's size and length of service the most decorated unit in US military history, including 21 Congressional Medals of Honor! How history does seem to repeat itself. It's sad really. Extremists from any group be it religious, political, national or racial are all a danger. |
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Religion--------------an excuse to kill maim and build destructive devices all the while destroying ourselves in the name of God and our lord saviour.............be forgiving yet kill those that do not follow your beliefs.........throughout history Christian Jews and muslims so on and so forth fought killing each other in the name of religious law upheld by controlling government s supposedly set forth for the good of the people......killing what they call pagans/infidels for beliefs not of their own.......funny how it seems they each call themselves civilized but when it comes right down.........they are more barbaric than each individual they kill maim and abuse in the name of their gods Amazing how everything triangulates into barbery.......  
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I rarely post anymore. It's always the same hate, fear, extremist opinions. Paint an entire group with the same brush because of extremists within that group. Not all Muslims are terrorists !! Just as not all Christians bomb abortion clinics, not all Italians are Mafioso, not all priests are pedophiles and not all Americans are gangsters. Does the term "nisei" mean anything to anyone? Internment camps on American soil to hold American citizens? Same illogical fear, hate and extremism. Try looking up 442nd Regimental Combat Team after you've looked up "nisei". For it's size and length of service the most decorated unit in US military history, including 21 Congressional Medals of Honor! How history does seem to repeat itself. It's sad really. Extremists from any group be it religious, political, national or racial are all a danger. Oh but Karma you are very welcome on my threads whether we agree or not. Good to see you. In this case I do agree with you. |
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