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So now you dont like the idea of oulawing all religions?? If it was only Christianity to be outlawed, you'd approve of it?? But since Islam is included, you are against it?? LOL....cant have your cake and eat it too. That 200 year old document has guided this country through thick and thin....but Oblowme has'nt. At no time did I state that I was for banning all religions. I did point out religion and government are intertwined and that it is not possible or feasible to have Complete separation of the two. The very method you suggest of outlawing just the one goes against the very Documents you say you support. Support the ideas, documents and guides of the Founding Fathers and ALL RELIGIONS / BELIEFS ARE PROTECTED. The very thing you would want to see done is in of itself against what the Founding Fathers laid as a path for the nation. |
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So by your very own post, you are now saying that this country was indeed founded on Christian principles...yet your beloved leader says it was not. Who do you believe??...a document that has been around for over 200 years, or a blowhard politician who recently emerged on the scene and set himself up as the Messiah??
And, as its been pointed out, the Separation of Church and State would negate everything Islamic!! They would not be allowed, under such a law to practice their religion, or participate in U.S. politics. My beloved leader?? Uh last I looked Prime Minister Harper never commented on the founding of the United States. The 200 year old document in question is just that, a document. Written by mere mortals to guide themselves and their descendants. Second Complete Separation of Church and State would negate Any and All religious references etc, Not just Islamic. Still continuing with your line of logic All religions would not be allowed, under law to practice their religion, or participate in U.S. politics. Thus why those who wrote the Constitution and other documents related to the founding of the United States Guaranteed that ALL BE FREE TO PRACTICE THEIR BELIEFS !! Islam itself isn't a terror group any more than any other religion. Some of it's adherents are. The Weathermen, Red Brigades, Front de Liberation du Quebec, Shining Path are not Muslim / Islamic yet they are terror groups. |
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Edited by
karmafury
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Tue 08/31/10 06:10 AM
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Im talking about inside the U.S. In the U.S., if we have the Separation of Church and State, then Islam is outlawed because their religion is the same as their politics, they do not separate them. Yet even in the U.S. there is not a true separation of Church and State. So would the following documents also become illegal because of their religious references? I doubt it since these are the basis for the United States. Yet if all man made religion is to be removed and a course as you suggest taken then you lose the very documents that created your nation. From Declaration of Independence When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. From the Constitution done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names, From United States Articles of Confederation In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the State of Pennsylvania the ninth Day of July in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven Hundred and Seventy-eight, and in the Third Year of the independence of America. On your currency In God we trust ..................................................... Separation of Church and State means that the Church shall not interfere in matters of State and State shall not interfere in matters of Church. The Church of England, The Vatican nor any other religious body is NOT allowed to chose the path of the nation. Yet this basic concept is broken everytime a religious leader from simple priest talking to congregation and up uses his / her sermon / speech to sway people in their decisions regarding the future of their nation. There is and cannot ever be true separation of Church and State. Because one group of people chose to use the basic tenets of their belief to form the basis of their system of self rule does not make it wrong ..... just different. |
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Well, if Dragoness wants all man made religions removed, then we can completely remove Islam and even their political realm since Islam is both their religion AND their politics.....thus violating the so-called "Separation of Church and State". If we do this, then Islam automatically becomes illegal and un-Constitutional. " their religion AND their politics.....thus violating the so-called Separation of Church and State" "Islam automatically becomes illegal and un-Constitutional. " Just those sections are really confusing. How by all that is logical are the policies, politics, system of government of other nations controlled by the US Constitution? Sorry to inform you that the Constitution has no relevance outside of the US. Other nations are not bound by it. Some may have chosen to use it as a guide of their own system but it has no legal standing outside the borders of the US or it's territories. |
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Topic:
Some things to ponder
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Ponder this, bin laden is in a country Full of muslims yet he can't be found??? They are Supporting him by hiding him. PERIOD He had plenty of time during the Afghan / Russian war to find well hidden, dug in places with American aid to hide from the Russians who used same electronic / human resources to try and find him and others who fought the Russians. The mountainous regions that he prefers to use are some of the most rugged terrain known with caves all over. |
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Topic:
Some things to ponder
Edited by
karmafury
on
Sun 08/29/10 02:26 AM
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It's so easy to hate, create propaganda, promote violence towards an entire group for the actions of a select group, in this case Muslims. But how do Muslims feel about Al Qaeda and terrorist groups?
1... Al Qaeda hurts Muslims most http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/14/al-qaeda-hurts-muslims-most/?feat=home_headlines 2... Resolution of Condemnation by Muslims Against Al Qaeda, ALL Suicide Bombers and Other Terrorists freemuslims.org, March 23, 2005 "At present, al Qaeda and its clones call their murderous cause "Jihad" (Holy War), their assassins "mujahiddin" (holy warriors) and "martyrs" and their destiny Paradise. All too often, these are the same words that we (including virtually all Governments, academia, media and assorted other "experts") carelessly use for them -- thus tending to confirm their patently false terms of self-sanctification. The use of words with positive meanings is deadly and has helped many terrorists market their evil and criminal acts as acts of good and justice. We seek to define these evil criminals with negative terms rather than let them define themselves with positive terms. The Islamic labels that must be applied are those of "Hirabah" (unholy war) by "mufsidoon" (evildoers) on their way to "Jahannam" (eternal Hellfire), instead. " Western media itself helps propagate the myth of terror being a Holy War. Start calling a killer by what he is .. a killer not by what faith he follows. Entire Text http://netwmd.com/articles/article940.html 3... Fatwa Issued Against Usama bin Laden MADRID, Spain — Muslim clerics in Spain issued what they called the world's first fatwa, or Islamic edict, against Usama bin Laden on Thursday, the first anniversary of the Madrid train bombings, calling him an apostate and urging others of their faith to denounce the Al Qaeda leader. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150066,00.html |
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I encourage Americans to be insensitive towards Islamic followers and treat them the way they treat us.  And the cycle continues.
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That is exactly right.If you look into the history of Islamic warfare you will always find that they built a Mosque at the towns most important or Holy site.I will have to start a topic on that issue along with some history. Look into the history of any warfare where people of one religion have invaded a people of another and the first thing to be built was a place of worship. Not the best example to use to attempt to prove a point.....but nice spin. actually, you just proved it for him - thank you. He specified "history of Islamic warfare" as though it were limited to Islam which it isn't. His point is that it's an Islamic thing which it isn't. Any people of any religion will erect a place of worship among first things done. I have not proven his point. Just shown that it is not, as implied, strictly an Islamic thing. Hence it's spin and naught else. |
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he's just trying to ruin the country 3000 Americans died there, and he stands up for the people that killed them... that yellow streak on his back is getting bigger There were 2,796 victims on 9/11 and not all were Americans. Victims came from 70 different countries. By all means remember the victims but do not insult them in same breath by saying they were all Americans. I'm sure each was proud of his own nationality. Companies from other nations had offices there as well. A Korean bank, Japanese Bank, NHL offices, Consulates. Companies from Europe, Australia, Asia. I for one am Canadian. There were Canadian victims at the Towers. Canadian not American. Trivia: Canadians fought in Nam by volonteering for US military. They were buried as "proud Americans" ...... their families feel different. |
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Edited by
karmafury
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Sat 08/28/10 03:33 AM
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he's just trying to ruin the country 3000 Americans died there, and he stands up for the people that killed them... that yellow streak on his back is getting bigger There were 2,796 victims on 9/11 and not all were Americans. Victims came from 70 different countries. By all means remember the victims but do not insult them in same breath by saying they were all Americans. I'm sure each was proud of his own nationality. Companies from other nations had offices there as well. A Korean bank, Japanese Bank, NHL offices, Consulates. Companies from Europe, Australia, Asia. |
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he's just trying to ruin the country 3000 Americans died there, and he stands up for the people that killed them... that yellow streak on his back is getting bigger There were 2,796 victims on 9/11 and not all were Americans. Victims came from 70 different countries. By all means remember the victims but do not insult them in same breath by saying they were all Americans. I'm sure each was proud of his own nationality. |
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Removing Saddam wasn't criminal ....
supporting him until his atrocities surpassed his usefulness was however. |
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That is exactly right.If you look into the history of Islamic warfare you will always find that they built a Mosque at the towns most important or Holy site.I will have to start a topic on that issue along with some history. Look into the history of any warfare where people of one religion have invaded a people of another and the first thing to be built was a place of worship. Not the best example to use to attempt to prove a point.....but nice spin. |
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Hello fellow Canucks. Glad to see the fire still burning. I'll bring along more 'cola'   next time through TTO 
Hi Kid
Hmmmm gonna need more logs soon. |
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I rarely post anymore. It's always the same hate, fear, extremist opinions.
Paint an entire group with the same brush because of extremists within that group. Not all Muslims are terrorists !! Just as not all Christians bomb abortion clinics, not all Italians are Mafioso, not all priests are pedophiles and not all Americans are gangsters. Does the term "nisei" mean anything to anyone? Internment camps on American soil to hold American citizens? Same illogical fear, hate and extremism. Try looking up 442nd Regimental Combat Team after you've looked up "nisei". For it's size and length of service the most decorated unit in US military history, including 21 Congressional Medals of Honor! How history does seem to repeat itself. It's sad really. Extremists from any group be it religious, political, national or racial are all a danger. |
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i'll give it credit... although 1500 workers and 600 billion dollars? my math ain't real good, but thats about 400 million each... Your math is waaaaaaay off The new law will pay for 1,500 additional Border Patrol agents, as well as construction of "forward operating bases" for agents to detain people on the border. It will increase the number of unmanned surveillance drones to provide real-time information to authorities about illegal crossings, heighten communication between federal agents and local police, and pay for additional ATF, FBI and other agents to target drug and human trafficking rings. Add training cost of these new agents and the construction costs of these "forward operating bases" Now add in cost of unmanned drones with the control consoles, ground based vibration and IR / heat sensors with monitoring equipment, new communications equipment. It add up better? |
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Topic:
illegal immigration
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I would also like to add thank God for the white man.Had this country been left to the Native Americans it would be a third world country full of nothing but smoke shops,liquor stores,run down houses with 15 broken down cars in the yard,and casinos.The Native Americans have done next to nothing building this country up.Even today with all of their casinos and the millions they make they contribute little to helping America grow. Top 10 Native Owned Companies 1. Red Man Pipe and Supply Co. (NABA Member) Tulsa, Oklahoma Principal: Craig Ketchum Estimated Annual Sales: $1.2 billion 2. The Flintco Companies Tulsa, Oklahoma Principal: Tom Maxwell Estimated Annual Sales: $622 Million 3. Petrocard Systems, Inc. Kent, Washington Principal: Stephen P. Tolton Estimated Annual Sales: $223 Million 4. Tiger Natural Gas, Inc. Tulsa, Oklahoma Principal: Lori Nalley Estimated Annual Sales: $149 Million 5. Choctaw-Kaul Distribution Co. (NABA Member) Detroit, Michigan Principal: Kenny Tubby Estimated Annual Sales: $90 Million 6. Cherokee Nation Industries, Inc. Tahlequah, Oklahoma Principal: Tammie Brassfield Estimated Annual Sales: $84 Million 7. Ongweoweh Corporation (NABA Member) Ithaca, New York Principal: Frank Bonamie Estimated Annual Sales: $78 Million 8. DECO Security Services Baxter, Minnesota Principal: Derek Dorr Estimated Annual Sales: $65 Million 9. Alliance of Professionals & Consultants, Inc. Raleigh, North Carolina Principal: Roy Roberts Estimated Annual Sales: $51 Million 10. Shingobee Builders, Inc. Loretto, Minnesota Principal: Gae B. Velt Estimated Annual Sales: $50 Million |
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KARMA !!!!!! how are you dawg ? 
are you going to "Z"'s BBQ this weekend ?.... if so , tell everyone I said hello and think of them OFTEN .. blue juice rulez ...lol and a big hello to everyone else who is new to the Campfire .... BettyB 
Red Lace
Venusenvy
and hello Kid ... how's life in the big West ?
Nope, missed the BBQ. I had to work.  
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Nice to see the campfire still around.
I'll bring some more 'sodas' around next time TTO. |
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Topic:
NHL 2010 PLAYOFFS
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Habs miracle on ice is almost over! Habs 5 Pens 2 Bye bye Pens !!!
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