In fairness, the proof you ask for, is difficult to give
Do secret handshake gangs exist?
Prove it?
Do the Freemasons exist?
How many of the men on this post do you think are Freemasons?
Will they admit it, and say yes, I'm a Freemason, and offer proof?
I doubt it
But do you honestly believe none of them are?

You see, this is where it all gets a bit muddy again
The Hebrew god , you keep saying
Christianity, you keep saying

Sure I've considered they could be the same god, but in doing so, that only leaves room, for 1 god, a male God

What about Poseidon, Isis and numerous others

As for the babies, they clearly teach us, in school, that god killed all of the Egyptians first born
And if Abraham knew God didn't really want him to kill his first born, then it wasn't really a test was it?
In fact, you would have thought the answer to the test would be. . .
No god, I would do anything for love. But I won't do that

So do you see what I mean, by fudging, and glossing over, it's like a grand misdirection, never mind the babies, look what I did with this water, now here's a long winded , winding explanation that will send you to sleep and turn you into a nodding dog

Its smacks of how a politician talks

Even if what you say about hospitals is true
You make no mention of attributing that to god
But I assume you do
Thus in doing so, you take it as proof, that your beliefs in god are validated
Maybe it is a different god, maybe it's Odin, maybe it's Kali, maybe it's an alien, maybe it's something else
So, yes, maybe it does prove something
But what it proves, would be different to different people

And ****. Yes, I know the English did a bunch of bad stuff, even though I wasn't taught that at school
Perhaps one of those things, was inventing a bastardized. Language
1 which we just happen to be using, right now
1 which perhaps puts a veil, on top of another veil, as to what other ancient languages mean, and what different sounds, frequencies and vibrations invoke, or are said to invoke
To invoke something, do I have to be aware, that I am doing so?

So many people with 'religion' , I call them the 'god squad' leave so little room, for anybody else's religion, or beliefs
There beliefs are so absolute, that at times it feels like they will stop at nothing, until they have 'converted' everybody else, to their belief system
And this is of course fine , as they believe, they are doing a greater good, they are, saving their soul

I refuse to believe in a god, that sacrifices babies, or tells people to sacrifice babies in order to show faith in him
I refuse to believe in 1, that sacrifices his own child.
Now when I say, I refuse to believe, what I mean is, he's not for me
I acknowledge, that it's possible, that he exists
But I do not acknowledge, that he is benevolent
And 1 aspect of god, seems to be, that he is of benevolent nature
So on that 1 principle alone, he would fail drastically in my eyes
And yet, it seems everybody to some degree, ignores this
They fudge it, they gloss over it

If I told you, god had told me, to kill my first born, in order to show my faith in him
What would you truly think of me?

Once you've passed through the eye, of that particular needle, your mine
Yes, you did prove your faith
Now, I can take you, anywhere I want to
You've totally surrended everything
And you now, rely on me, for everything
My word is gospel, it is absolute

Okay, well we'll just have to agree to disagree
And I don't know squat, why?
Because I ain't studied scripture?
Because I can't read Hebrew?
Because I might consider other ancient cultures and languages, like Sanskrit
Or because say aboriginal culture interests me
Or Nordic culture
Basically anything, other than the, there was moses and Noah what they taught me in school
I mean they don't even teach us anything about our own culture
Romans , vikings, 1066
There were some Picts and celts before that, but we don't know 'owt' about them...so the romans

I bring up the 10 commandments as apparently the Americas , or, a bit or it, was much better of, when it was in schools and stuff, apparently

That's as maybe, as you say, they didn't do it for Jesus
But the conquistadors were tied in with the church, and Jesus
And the Americas ain't never heard of Jesus
And all of them, were a damn sight better of for it
Why would Jesus say, I'll pick this bit, I'll go there
Never mind the rest of the earth, sod them, they're not worthy
That makes bugger all sense
If God was so great, that after murdering first borns, telling people to murder their first born, in essence also allowing his own first born to be murdered, so he could prove his existence through a series of miracles, so we could all live happily ever after, why didn't he do it for everybody?
Why did he leave such massive swathes out?
As I say, that just makes bugger all sense, no matter how much you go on about scripture, historians, scholars, or just what or wasn't Jesus name
You rather conveniently, miss out huge sections of history and the world, and focus in on a little bit, and magnify and distort it

Jesus is an occult handshake gang, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him
Even if he wasn't originally he sure as **** is now
And what is all this male messiah , 12 male disciples baloney
Sorry mate, it's blatant msygonist claptrap
Wrap a riddle in a riddle, and extort 1000 different truths from it, while concealing any truth
Be my disciple , I will teach you the truth brother
Jog on Jesus, and no god, I won't kill my first born to prove my faith to you, I will punch you in the face and swear at you for suggesting such a thing, in the name of freedom of thought and benevolence

The 'church' said they were satanic
Then they destroyed their icons / monuments / temples, stole their gold, and introduced them to a civilized Jesus

And yeah, ' The America's' I meant all of it, from it's most Northern tip ( that's in some place now called Canada I think )
All the way to it's most Southern tip ( not sure what country that is, but you know, Chili, Paraguay, and all those places
Even, that bit in the middle, you know, central America ( Mexico)

So really, in my opinion
The native peoples of all of the Americas, were a damn sight better off, before ' The 10 commandments ' arrived and robbed and killed them.
Something which some ( well me at least ) say, it still does to this day

Mediterranean and Messeptomia, ( forgive my spelling )
Well again, that still leaves some rather large sections of the Earth, that are not part of these regions

Example - The America's

Question,- Where the native peoples of the Americas, better or worse off, since Jesus arrived with the Conquistador's?

Sub question - just how did those pesky Incas cut those stones in Macha Picchu?
When after all, they were just primitive peoples with uncultured satanic religions?

a love chair, shaped like a hand

I don't think we've got love chairs in the UK

he's sat on that 1, doing unspeakable things with his toes

A chair is still a chair, even when there's no one sittin' there
But a chair is not a house and a house is not a home
When there's no one there to hold you tight
And no one there you can kiss goodnight

a chair is still a chair, a song by, Luther Vandross , though I know it by a reggae version, by Sugar Minott

Is this like ingsoc doublethink from George Orwell's 1984?
Have you read the bit at the end? The appendix or whatever it's called
We have ways of making you mad / talk

One step beyond was covered by Madness
It is of course Prince Buster
Madness are named after his song called madness
He pretty much pioneered / invented ska and blue beat

Madness, madness, they call it madness
Madness, madness, they call it madness
It's plain to see, that is what they mean to me
Madness, madness I call it gladness
Madness, madness, they call it madness
But if this is madness
Man, I know I'm filled with gladness
It's gonna be rougher, rough, it's gonna be tougher, tough
And I won't be the one oh, no, no who's gonna suffer
Propaganda ministers
Propaganda ministers
I've got a aim in view
Man, I'm gonna walk all over you
'Cause madness, madness they call it madness
But if this is madness
Man, I know I'm filled with gladness
It's gonna be rougher, rough, it's gonna be tougher, tough
And I won't be the one oh, no, no who's gonna suffer
People you'll see the one who's gonna suffer
And I'll never, never, never be that one who's gonna suffer

Madness, song by, Prince Buster

12 historians, 12 apostles, spooky
You say these dudes never met, and came from different place's and such
Maybe that's true
But maybe they had a common agenda somehow
Maybe they did meet, or have some sort of communication
I mean it's possible
I know some people from other countries
Maybe I could get 12 of them, to document the miracles I have performed with cheese bread and a heat source
In a couple of hundred years, these documents could be found
And people would hear, of how the kettle told me to boil it, and pour it's watery contents onto a teabag, to infuse this liquid, with it's tea like goodness
I could be revered, I could be god
Maybe I am god, and I just don't know it
Maybe I'm moving in ways so mysterious, I cannot comprehend just how mysterious and god like I am, as I sip tea
This thread maybe found, and offered as Proof

Then arguably by definition, that is very similar to an 'oath'
Certain people have to make certain oaths
And there is a penalty for breaking them
So perhaps to some degree that's it in a nutshell
The occult requires an oath, which amongst other things, requires you to say nothing unless it's to somebody else from your coven, handshake gang , cult
But most big religious leaders have surely taken this oath too
So in that respect, the 2 things are no different
It's all very 'Orweillian' '1984' 'hand in glove' .... To me at least

But hey, that sounds paranoid, strangely that's what they say about people that hear voices

It really all is very double Jedi / reverse phantasma isn't it

No wonder I prefer animals to humans

No it's not, once you get to the list, you have to click on them, to go to their profile ( even though you don't want to ) to get the inbox number to dissapear , and what's the point in blocking them? Most of the time they've been deactivated anyway
If you look at profiles, most of them say, I don't respond to nudges or just hi
So honestly what purpose do they serve?
Not a good 1, that much I can say

I was minding my business
Lifting some lead off
The roof of the Holy Name church
It was worthwhile living a laughable life
To set my eyes on the blistering sight
Of a Vicar in a tutu
He's not strange
He just wants to live his life this way

A scanty bit of a thing
With a decorative ring
That wouldn't cover the head of a goose
As Rose collects the money in a canister
Who comes sliding down the bannister ?
The Vicar in a tutu
He's not strange
He just wants to live his life this way

The monkish monsignor
With a head full of plaster
Said : "My man, get your vile soul dry-cleaned"
As Rose counts the money in the canister
As natural as rain
He dances again
My God!
The Vicar in a tutu
Oh yeah
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Oh...
The Vicar in a tutu
Oh yeah
Oh...

The next day in the pulpit
With freedom and ease
Combatting ignorance, dust, and disease
As Rose counts the money in the canister
As natural as rain
He dances again and again and again

In the fabric of a tutu
Any man could get used to
And I am the living sign
And I'm a living sign
I am a living sign
I'm a living sign
I am a living sign
I'm a living sign
Sign
I am a living sign

Vicar in a tutu , a song by, The Smiths

http://www.rethinkingmadness.com/the-book/4558919669

link to book 'Rethinking madness'
By Paris Williams

With a blurb, of course ( lovely word that isn't it, blurb, I bet 8 year old boys love the word blurb for some reason. Like a cross between blob and burp, blurb , lol )

Wasn't the dude who started the Quakers, some guy from Manchester, who started having 'visions'
Don't get me wrong, I've nothing against the quakers
It's just always a massive 'deal breaker' ( for want of better words) just 'who' gets to decide, 'who' is having 'visions' and who is 'deluded'
You see in some cultures, I don't think there's any such thing as 'deluded'
If you start having a different take on things, your revered, as that literally being a gift.
And somebody takes you under their wing and helps you 'break on through to the other side' ( again , for want of better words )
It's said that these gifted 'visions' often start, with a sort of madness
But they see that as the beginning of a process
And this process must be allowed to complete itself
Our society, does not allow this
(And we seem to live in god less vacuous world, full of medicated avarice, and we're too damn scared or impotent to do anything about it.
In fact it's 'taboo' to even talk about it
So instead we talk of 'freedom' or the weather, or the price of petrol, or football, or whoever the latest fashionable bogey man is ( commies , al queda , etc) or argue over politics or religion )
Not something to be medicated, locked away, frowned upon, used as a boogey man to scare the kids and you, to, do as your bloody well told
All of these religions, and occult things, seem, to me at least, to have this in common.
There's always an 'element' of ' visions'
I often 'muse' why ? And why do we have such a secret oppressive 'Spanish Inquisition'
I mean this is done so successfully, that the word 'deluded' is often seen as a great insult. Much as people used to use the word 'spastic' for somebody who wasn't mentally handicapped
But hey, your only 'enlightened' if you know the handshake right!? Be it the the under the school table knuckle shuffle or otherwise

Belligerent ghouls
Run Manchester schools
Spineless swines
Cemented minds
Sir leads the troops
Jealous of youth
Same old suit since 1962
He does the military two-step
Down the nape of my neck
I wanna go home
I don't want to stay
Give up education
As a bad mistake
Mid-week on the playing fields
Sir thwacks you on the knees
Knees you in the groin
Elbow in the face
Bruises bigger than dinner plates
I wanna go home
I don't want to stay

Belligerent ghouls
Run Manchester schools
Spineless bastards all
Sir leads the troops
Jealous of youth
Same old jokes since 1902
He does the military two-step
Down the nape of my neck
I wanna go home
I don't want to stay
Give up life
As a bad mistake
Please excuse me from the gym
I've got this terrible cold coming on
He grabs and devours
Kicks me in the showers
Kicks me in the showers
And he grabs and devours
I want to go home
I don't want to stay

The headmaster ritual , a song by , The Smiths

Cats like cracklin

A small quibble he says
This is how wars start
Dig those trenches, stock up on beans

Is this like the did a tree actually fall if nobody witnessed it, kind of thing?

I might be a part of this
Ripple on water from a lonesome drip
A fallen tree that witness me
I'm alone, him and me
And then life itself can not aspire
To have someone be so admired
I threw creation to my king
With the silence broken by a whispered wind
All of this can be broken
All of this can be broken
Hold your devil by his spoke and spin him to the ground

song , 'Devils spoke' by, Laura Marling