sparrows,

being good cannot be separate from god. god is the essence of good.
anytime one is good then they commune with god. it is impossible to
be good apart from god by definition.

therefore any good or virtuous behavior....

I won't hold God responsible for an utterly confusing and self-contradicting book that was written by a bunch of male-chauvinistic Hebrews.

This is one of the main reasons I totally reject those writings as having anything to do with our creator. To begin with, if that really were true, who's fault would that be? Obviously it would be the fault of the creator!

You can't created a bunch of souls who do not have it in their nature to be "good enough" and then BLAME them for that failing!

Do you see how utterly absurd this is.



You've totally missed the point. Slow never referred to anyone who seeks independence from any God. He simply stated that surely any truly benevolent God would indeed appreciate and be kind to any kind souls.

In fact, why should God have anything against a GOOD person who is an atheist? That person would indeed be doing GOOD things by their own choice (not because they are attempting to appease a God).

That should be viewed by God as an even more righteous person than someone who merely refrains from doing bad things just to get the glass of water in your hypothetical spiritual desert. :whao:

I personally worship and praise God in my own way. So in that sense I am not rejecting God, nor am I seeking spiritual independence. I simply reject the ancient dogma that we aren't good enough for God.

I personally think that's utter hogwash.

I'm perfectly good enough for God, thank you very much.

So?

Christians just invent their own version of Christianity just so they can accept it. At least they aren't accepting anything real.

Where's the difference?

Honestly I don't find anything in the Bible which disagrees with anything that I said in any meaningful way. The Bible is full of
self contradictory passages and points or stories that are hard
to interpret in a consistent way.

From my way of thinking, God would never punish any good person
who is kind and considerate of their fellow human being and behaves

.
in an ethical and righteous way. Since you don't have to be
Catholic or Eastern Orthodox or Confucianist or Muslim to be good
and no single religion has a monopoly on kindness then it follows
that one need not be a Jehovah's Witness or Seventh Day Adventist
or Southern Baptist. But you do have to be good! The same applies
whether you believe in some specific image of God, draw cartoons
of Mohammad or not!

So Sparrows, what exactly did you "accept?

You accepted that Jesus died for your "SINS"
>(YES)<
but you truly aren't guilty of sins that warrant his death?
>(THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE WRONG)<

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
>(IT DOESN'T WORK WHAT WAY? SAYS WHO? YOU? SORRY COULD YOU BACK THAT UP WITH EVIDENCE)<

You can't accept this gift for FREE like that.
>(WHY NOT? SAYS WHO?)<
The only way you can accept it is if you confess that you are indeed guilty of the crime.
>(YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS)<

Otherwise, there would have been no need for anyone to make a sacrifice on your behalf in the first place.
>(VERY GOOD...A LITTLE TRUTH !)<

So you must be willing to nail Jesus to the pole yourself. If you aren't willing to do that, then you reject the sacrifice on your behalf. You simply refuse to have anything to do with it.
>(HOW IN THE WORLD DID YOU JUMP TO THAT CONCLUSION???)<

That's where I'm at. I wash my hands of the whole affair.
>(AS WOULD I IF IT WERE TRUE)<
I refuse to condone it. Therefore I cannot possibly accept something that I refuse to even condone.
>(REFUSE TO CONDONE WHAT? A...DOCTRINE THAT IS NOT TAUGHT IN THE BIBLE?...GOOD FOR YOU!)<

The authors of this mythological story created a situation in which it's impossible for me to get to their God
.>(SO FAR YOU ARE THE AUTHOR OF THIS MYTHOLOGICAL STORY)<
I refuse to condone nailing people to poles on my behalf. I just can't do it..
>(NO ONE IS ASKING YOU TO)<

Sorry.

So I'm thankful that this whole thing is nothing more than a sick story written by a bunch of ancient sick men. Imagine if it were true, how horrible would that be?

Thank goodness we can chalk this one up to being just another Mediterranean myth.

I'm not going to condone nailing anyone to any poles. That's just plain sick!

Also, believing that you gave me one million dollars is just a little more believable than a jew walking on water, turning water into wine, and being the son of god... so it takes less away from my character to try and believe that you did that.

With extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence is required.

Well that's not true. You have to accept that Jesus Christ is your savior and love him before you get the gift.

And also, that's what ALL religions say. "There is an "absolute truth" it is basic, but most people don't recognize the flying spaghetti monster as their savior."

What you just gave isn't an answer at all.

Some women are born with em and some have to buy them.....bet the fake one last longer than real ones stand up wise......like my natural ones but my cousins that had to but their's were pissed bcs I didn't...but their's will probably never droop even slightly

yea...leave my women alone

you're welcome to stay but the horse has to stay outside

Welcome to mingle where all the Chipendale Dancers r welcome LOL we have quite a few I think