OK Lording,

Please explain the connection
between Moussawi and our government.

For example:

August 15, 2001: After only a few days training to fly a 747 at a Minnesota flight school, terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui is arrested and detained in Minnesota on the excuse of an immigration violation. The FBI confiscates his possessions, including a computer laptop, but doesn't have a search warrant to search through them. Moussaoui acted so suspiciously that a flight school staffer warned the FBI about Moussaoui, saying, "A 747 fully loaded with fuel could be used as a weapon!" One local FBI agent speculates that Moussaoui might "fly something into the World Trade Center." Minnesota FBI agents quickly become frustrated at the lack of interest in the case from higher ups, who refuse to allow the agents to ask for a search warrant from a secret court that, in over 10,000 cases from the FBI, that had never turned down a warrant request. French intelligence then gives evidence clearly tying Moussaoui to al-Qaeda, including evidence that he had trained in Afghanistan on several occasions. But an official at FBI headquarters edits out all the information tying Moussaoui to terrorism, and another attempt to apply for the warrant is rejected. One Minneapolis agent warns that FBI headquarters is "setting this up for failure," and another agent later asks: "Why would an FBI agent deliberately sabotage a case?" A few weeks earlier, the headquarters official handling the Moussaoui case was also sent a copy of the Ken Williams memo warning that al-Qaeda terrorists might be training in US flight schools, but he apparently fails to see the connection. The search warrant is not approved until after the 9/11 attacks. Too late, evidence is found suggesting Moussaoui could be involved in a hijacking involving New York City. One newspaper claims that information on his computer "might have been enough to expose the Hamburg cell, which investigators believe was the key planning unit for 11 September." FBI agent Coleen Rowley later suggests that if they would had received the search warrant sooner, "There is at least some chance that ... may have limited the Sept. 11th attacks and resulting loss of life."
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We (our government), at some level, clearly did not want the threat publicized, to the point of practically protecting Moussaoui through inaction.

Lordling and Madisonman.....

why don't you two read my post on page 19 ......

jistme...

People who believe in conspiracy theories fall into three categories. There are those who refuse to believe the simple truth, that a group of people got together and decided to inflict death and horror on three thousand Americans. To accept that theory would mean that the world is a terribly dangerous place and that some people are inherently evil. Those conspiracy advocates do not want to believe that, so they go with the American government/Bush did 911.

The second category of people are those who have an agenda. They hate Bush and by pushing the conspiracy theory that Bush murdered three thousand Americans and blew up the Trade Center to make war with Iraq and steal their oil fosters their agenda. These people who are mostly left wing liberals don't really believe this, but they push the 911/conspiracy every opportunity they can since their purpose is to bash Bush.

The final and third group of people are the tin foil hat ones. They are just out and out crazy and will believe any type of conspiracy plot that is hatched.

your a johnny come lately to the thread and we have discussed all of this in other posts dont think your popular mechanics explanations are going to cover it. why dont yo go back and read the entire thread.

madisonman.....

I did read the entire thread. Additionally, I am not a johnny come lately to the thread. IF YOU HAD READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT I POSTED EARLIER.

So, are you in category three?

I believe what my eyes tell me. In the history of modern high rises no steel framed building has ever collapsed due to fire and probably never will again. http://iwilltryit.com/freefall1.htm

madisonman..... You are not reading my posts or the posts of others. Let me explain once again.

The raging fires didn’t melt the steel beams – they simply heated up the steel to the point that it was no longer strong enough to support the thousands of tons of building on the floors above it.

so what took down the core colums? but again the steel will gradualy lose its strength and bend b4 it breaks, not the total and complete failure we witnessed on 911. but again the core colums should have stayed up being that the floors alagedly broke away from them. you are the one not readings posts by the way as we have allready talked about this. but its time for me to get ready for work.

madisonman..... quit being so lazy and re-read my post. I am out of here and am not going to respond to someone who argues over details that I have already explained.

ready for work I have a few moments... in one of your posts you mention jet fuel burns at 2100 degrees. I dont buy that. Jet fuel may burn that hot if vaporised and injected into a turbofan and burnt however for the case of the twin towers it was an open air burn, basicly it was like pouring kerosene onto the ground and lighting it. so why would the author of your post wish to stretch the truth in such a way? again this is all old news being that it was discussed allready

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm

ok well.....supposedly...there are 16 known terrorists living in our country...well the ones that were part of 9/11....dont quote my info cuz im a little intoxicated and cant remember the whole story tonight...i will find out more and let ya'll in on what im talking about tomorrow

Ok I want in on this game of ridiculous conjecture. A second wave of terroist that never got caught planted explosives in the twin Towers........

Did we really land on the moon?

Who really shot JFK?

Who murdered Princess Dianna?

Oh yeah, easy one - It was the US government........

crickstergo.....

I know you are joking, but some of these conspiracy crazies really believe that the US government is in on every evil that happens.

Stick around for answers to all of your puzzling questions.

last time I checked non of these were in dispute in this topic

http://www.fknnewz.com/view/98/911-the-emperors-clothes-the-fkn-facts/

this link is r rated for language but has some interesting points and its sorta funny

Ok, if Moussawi didn't have anything to do
with planning 9/11, then why did Mohamed Atta,
the mastermind of the attack, send him
'almost half of the $15,000 that had been
sent to him by Al Qaeda. He sent the money
to an account held in Oklahoma in the name
of Zacharias Moussawi'.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/spai-j09.shtml

Why had he collected data on cropdusting and wind patterns?

He also wanted to be put to death so he
would become a martyr. Instead he got a life sentence.
He admitted he was a member of Al Quaeda.

Moussawi was supposedly educated but really stupid
in planning his part of the attack. If he hadn't
sent out so many red flags like arguing with the
flight instructor because he didn't want to learn
how to land the plane, he might have pulled it off.