Topic: Jealousy
SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Thu 12/13/18 02:43 AM

Jalousy only appears when love gets involved.
Some people are immensensly jalous, both men and women.
It would be hard to survive a relationship like that, either way.

I Wouldn't even bother.

Disagree, jealousy does NOT only appear when love gets involved.
Attention can be enough, and not even among lovers, among strangers can also cause jealousy in someone.

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Thu 12/13/18 02:44 AM



Please explain

Does it take a sociopath to understand that?
If you love, you're most likely to be jalous if your partner is fooling around.
If you don't care, You don't care if your partner are with whoever, I guess.
You tell me...:smile:


But I said there was no cheating going on.

Would you be jealous if your gf flirted with another guy? Many would but why are they jealous if it’s only flirting?


Goes both ways. Would you be jalous if your loved one flirted with
another woman? Neverending story.

But why don't you answer the question?
I think JBH meant is as a genuine question, not a tit for tat.

no photo
Thu 12/13/18 02:58 AM

I absolutely love getting all this input.

Romantic jealousy served an evolutionary purpose. It motivated our ancestors to prevent mate poaching. Jealously still fits into our modern day worlld as a “justified response to losing someone”

As long as it’s not extreme jealousy, it’s a normal healthy response.


That's really interesting JBH. I didn't research jealously from an evolutionary understanding. Hmmm, I think I will.

Thanks!

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Thu 12/13/18 03:27 AM



Thank you River!

That’s more the kind of answer I was looking for. I will read that article to see if I get more understanding.

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Hope it helps flowerforyou waving


Yes it did help, thank you.

Some jealousy is healthy in a relationship. It’s not always a bad thing as most people think.

It indeed isn't. I don't think one could get rid of jealousy, just like it's impossible to get rid of anger or love. Personally I don't even bother as I believe there's nothing wrong with jealousy. I know that when things are okay between me and a man I do not get jealous. If I do, there's a reason for it.
I do believe it is connected to feelings of insecurity and feeling unsafe & threatened one way or another. But even then one can still ask: WHY would you feel unsafe and threatened? If really nothing is going on I do NOT get jealous. I know this from experience.

And I think it relates directly to the primal instinct to belong. In the olden times our sheer survival as an individual depended on belonging to someone and/or a community. Chances of survival were very slim on your own. So having someone, a partner, means safety and survival. We still are driven by such instincts believe it or not, our amygdala, which has a lot to do with our emotions as well.
Also, specific memories are 'stored' in synapses in our brains and these stay intact, even when someone has dementia or other brain damage. Meaning a very old childhood (baby even) trauma that you cannot remember can cause you to feel jealous in adult life when the situation is similar.

So I guess it could be something inside of you but then... WHY does it get triggered? Is there really nothing going on? If not, then why would you get triggered?
I think often we sense things more than that we see them with our physical eyes.

Also, there's differences in feeling jealous. There's a jealousy where you get nasty, or at least feel like getting nasty. For instance when someone gets something you really had hoped to get and someone else gets chosen. That feels different from jealousy in love. That's the jealousy that feels like anger, wanting to get even. Nasty.
Jealousy in love triggers fear. It feels totally different.

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Thu 12/13/18 03:48 AM




Thank you River!

That’s more the kind of answer I was looking for. I will read that article to see if I get more understanding.

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Hope it helps flowerforyou waving


Yes it did help, thank you.

Some jealousy is healthy in a relationship. It’s not always a bad thing as most people think.

It indeed isn't. I don't think one could get rid of jealousy, just like it's impossible to get rid of anger or love. Personally I don't even bother as I believe there's nothing wrong with jealousy. I know that when things are okay between me and a man I do not get jealous. If I do, there's a reason for it.
I do believe it is connected to feelings of insecurity and feeling unsafe & threatened one way or another. But even then one can still ask: WHY would you feel unsafe and threatened? If really nothing is going on I do NOT get jealous. I know this from experience.

And I think it relates directly to the primal instinct to belong. In the olden times our sheer survival as an individual depended on belonging to someone and/or a community. Chances of survival were very slim on your own. So having someone, a partner, means safety and survival. We still are driven by such instincts believe it or not, our amygdala, which has a lot to do with our emotions as well.
Also, specific memories are 'stored' in synapses in our brains and these stay intact, even when someone has dementia or other brain damage. Meaning a very old childhood (baby even) trauma that you cannot remember can cause you to feel jealous in adult life when the situation is similar.

So I guess it could be something inside of you but then... WHY does it get triggered? Is there really nothing going on? If not, then why would you get triggered?
I think often we sense things more than that we see them with our physical eyes.

Also, there's differences in feeling jealous. There's a jealousy where you get nasty, or at least feel like getting nasty. For instance when someone gets something you really had hoped to get and someone else gets chosen. That feels different from jealousy in love. That's the jealousy that feels like anger, wanting to get even. Nasty.
Jealousy in love triggers fear. It feels totally different.


I agree, jealousy is a feeling. How we react to that feeling can be a healthy or unhealthy response. The feeling is just that, a feeling.

It is a feeling that when ignored tends to intensify and can become very destructive. That's what I was trying to get across in my post. Feeling jealousy is usually an indicator that something is out of sorts. Either within oneself or in the relationship. Like you said Crystal, those questions of "Why am I feeling unsafe and threatened".

JBH's comment about the evolutionary purpose and your bringing up the primal instincts makes me wonder if jealousy can also be a good thing. Which is what I believe JBH is trying to get across. Our feelings help us recognize what's right and what's wrong. Jealousy usually comes up when we feel threatened for some reason, like we're going to lose someone or a feeling of lack.

Taking a look at that can help us realize what we have and appreciate it more. Or what we don't have and maybe it will encourage us to get off our butts and go seek it.




Tom4Uhere's photo
Thu 12/13/18 11:25 PM
There ARE such things as Negative States.
Jealousy, no matter the reason is a negative state.
It makes no sense to defend jealousy.
Might as well defend any negative state.

I have a unique way of looking at things.
It allows me to be in control of my emotional states which includes positive and negative.
Someone that thinks differently, won't be able to accept my stance.
That's okay with me, We're all Different.

Nobody can convince me that jealousy is good.
Sometimes anger can be a good thing. Jealousy, no way.
It has no redeeming factors, except to reinforce negative emotions and states of mind. Like depression, anger or sadness.

If someone is happy to be jealous, even I would call that strange.
Jealousy of any kind indicates an inferiority complex.
Usually indicative of people with some type of low self-esteem.

Personally, I don't mind what others have or do.
I don't care how much money someone has.
I don't care how powerful someone else is.
They all poop.

mysticalview21's photo
Sat 12/15/18 06:31 AM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Sat 12/15/18 06:33 AM

Why are people who are in a relationship jealous at any level?

Let’s assume they have never cheated or been cheated on. Where does that emotion come from?




I think jealousy comes from your past ...
if you have been hurt while young ...

and afraid someone is going to hurt you again... and leave you ...

and when you take that chance ... and get hurt over and over ...
then you think as a automatic men are all the same ...


but they are not ... took a long time to learn this ...

you just have to let some things go ... and take a chance on that someone new ... that they love only you and are not out to make you jealous or hurt you ...

pumpilicious 💕's photo
Wed 12/19/18 09:31 AM


Jalousy only appears when love gets involved.
Some people are immensensly jalous, both men and women.
It would be hard to survive a relationship like that, either way.

I Wouldn't even bother.

Disagree, jealousy does NOT only appear when love gets involved.
Attention can be enough, and not even among lovers, among strangers can also cause jealousy in someone.


Exactly! It's about anything and everything. Posting with certain women especially I noticed this...
When someone popular got too much attention, they would change THEIR profile photo. Then the attention would be on them, everyone telling them how beautiful their new photo is.
Idc about attention, it makes me :smirk: when I still see this happen. & it happens on pretty much every social site I've posted on. Pure attention jealousy.

Larsi666 😽's photo
Wed 12/19/18 09:43 AM
Well, some people seek attention to boost their scratched and poor ego. Others think, if random strangers like their photo or posts on social media, they are something special. But as we say in Germany "The biggest coward is the one, who tries to be loved by everybody.

Sooo ... I don't need any attention or mass likes. I only want to share mutual sympathy and understanding and acceptance with a handful of people, who mean something to me.

Jealousy? I honestly never felt it. Dunno why though. I have loads to offer, but if that's not enough? Well, tough. I am not the one losing out :wink:

Sarah's photo
Wed 12/19/18 09:54 AM

Jealousy, is perhaps the most immature
of emotions.

I see it used quite often, by both sides, as a very cheap
ploy for control.


I agree

no photo
Wed 12/19/18 10:37 AM

Well, some people seek attention to boost their scratched and poor ego. Others think, if random strangers like their photo or posts on social media, they are something special. But as we say in Germany "The biggest coward is the one, who tries to be loved by everybody.

Sooo ... I don't need any attention or mass likes. I only want to share mutual sympathy and understanding and acceptance with a handful of people, who mean something to me.

Jealousy? I honestly never felt it. Dunno why though. I have loads to offer, but if that's not enough? Well, tough. I am not the one losing out :wink:


Whilst there is a connection between fear and jealousy it is not the same fear as is involved with courage or the lack of courage which some people label as fear.As for your statement that you are not the one losing out.In my opinion you have a very different perception of the situation to most people.At the end of the day when you are alone with all your "loads to offer" and no one is interested in what you are offering then YOU are the one who is losing out.Compare it to being at the market with an unlimited supply of fish.If no one wants fish you don't make a sale.You came to market to sell fish.No one is unhappy because they haven't got fish but you haven't made a sale.If what you are selling is not what people want,you are the loser.

Larsi666 😽's photo
Wed 12/19/18 10:54 AM


Well, some people seek attention to boost their scratched and poor ego. Others think, if random strangers like their photo or posts on social media, they are something special. But as we say in Germany "The biggest coward is the one, who tries to be loved by everybody.

Sooo ... I don't need any attention or mass likes. I only want to share mutual sympathy and understanding and acceptance with a handful of people, who mean something to me.

Jealousy? I honestly never felt it. Dunno why though. I have loads to offer, but if that's not enough? Well, tough. I am not the one losing out :wink:


Whilst there is a connection between fear and jealousy it is not the same fear as is involved with courage or the lack of courage which some people label as fear.As for your statement that you are not the one losing out.In my opinion you have a very different perception of the situation to most people.At the end of the day when you are alone with all your "loads to offer" and no one is interested in what you are offering then YOU are the one who is losing out.Compare it to being at the market with an unlimited supply of fish.If no one wants fish you don't make a sale.You came to market to sell fish.No one is unhappy because they haven't got fish but you haven't made a sale.If what you are selling is not what people want,you are the loser.



Let's put it this way, I do not blame myself anymore for being single anymore. One day, there will be someone, who loves me the way I am. Someone who opens her heart for me.

Okay, I don't have a sixpack or a big car. I can be a sarcastic git as well. But does that make me ugly or unattractive? Those who put model like pics up, have their flaws as well.

I_love_bluegrass's photo
Wed 12/19/18 11:10 AM



Let's put it this way, I do not blame myself anymore for being single anymore. One day, there will be someone, who loves me the way I am. Someone who opens her heart for me.

Okay, I don't have a sixpack or a big car. I can be a sarcastic git as well. But does that make me ugly or unattractive? Those who put model like pics up, have their flaws as well.



like I've said in other posts...if someone doesn't think you are fab, that's fine, they are free to look elsewhere...
Like a freind of mine says...if you don't like the tea that is being served here, there's the door, because *that's* the tea we have here...

Everyone deserves love...even the most quirky and odd..
Someone will appreciate your quirky/ odd, think you are the coolest thing on two legs...I know, I had 2 such men (am a widow now).
The ones you run across on your way to meeting that one?
Who try and tell you how to change/ conform to *their* ideal/ to what *they* want?
Not worth your time.

P.S.The only people that *don't* deserve love are those who are abusive.


Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 12/19/18 11:50 AM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Wed 12/19/18 11:53 AM

Why are people who are in a relationship jealous at any level?

Let’s assume they have never cheated or been cheated on. Where does that emotion come from?


She's like a Bear protective of her Cub.

Only it's her man. Some of them are like cubbies. laugh

Unfortunately ,Women are usually jealous of other women, rather than any man.


Larsi666 😽's photo
Wed 12/19/18 11:58 AM


Why are people who are in a relationship jealous at any level?

Let’s assume they have never cheated or been cheated on. Where does that emotion come from?


She's like a Bear protective of her Cub.

Only it's her man. Some of them are like cubbies. laugh

Unfortunately ,Women are usually jealous of other women, rather than any man.



The last sentence strikes me. So it's like this? A woman has a guy, who fancies her. The guy comments on other women's posts. The girl gets jealous because she thinks she is not his only crush ... never mind she, in fact, is his only crush?

Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 12/19/18 12:04 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Wed 12/19/18 12:05 PM
@Lars

I am referring to inperson Relationships. Online is just fantasy until you meet and actually dated.


Larsi666 😽's photo
Wed 12/19/18 12:20 PM

@Lars

I am referring to inperson Relationships. Online is just fantasy until you meet and actually dated.





Okay. Thanks.

Though I think, online encounters are a type of relationship, because two people have made a connection.

JustBeHonest's photo
Wed 12/19/18 02:03 PM


I’m not sure I completely understand jealousy. I still think a little is a good thing because it tells you there’s an issue either with yourself or your partner.

You might be insecure which brings on the jealousy but it does make you aware that there’s an issue of some kind. I also think that if a man hits on me, my partner should be a little jealous. It flatters the ego.

We have this emotion for a reason.

Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 12/19/18 02:08 PM
Insecure men and abusive men are jealous of their woman but it is unhealthy , not something that is normal behavior.

JustBeHonest's photo
Wed 12/19/18 02:12 PM


I wasn’t referring to the unhealthy type of jealousy. That boggles the mind but I don’t even know if I would call it jealousy, it’s more like temporary insanity.