My logic wasn't false. Yours here is, because again you're hung up on the weekdays having names NOW. It wasn't always so. Originally the days were numbered 1 through 7, so that the 7th day was always the 7th day in each weekly cycle, regardless of what names were given to the days, and regardless of when employers decide their employees should start working.

Perhaps my comment about the purpose of the heavenly bodies to reckon the days will clear things up for you.

The reason they challenged Jesus about Sabbath keeping was not because they disputed which day of the week the Sabbath fell on, but because they disputed what constituted "work" that could not be done on the Sabbath.

The Pharisees made an art out of twisting the Word of God to suit themselves. For instance, they said that on the sabbath you couldn't wipe your sandals against the wall of your house to scrape the mud off because that would be stucco-ing the wall of your house, which was work, which was forbidden on the Sabbath.
As you know, they also reprimanded Jesus for healing people on the Sabbath, thus missing the point that the Sabbath was to be lived for God, and doing good on the Sabbath was perfectly acceptable.


Good, you seem to be agreeing with me here. Nowhere in scripture are we told that Sunday is to be our Sabbath day. It is always the 7th day. And that 7th day has to be reckoned according to the signs in the sky given for this purpose (Gen 1:14), NOT according to the pronouncements of some politicians or union delegates or what have you.

What if your culture developed a yearly feast in which every man was expected to sleep with his neighbour's wife? Would you go along with that and allow another man to ravish your wife, and that you would ravish someone else's wife?

What if your culture developed an irrational belief that sacrificing 10 virgins would appease the nearby volcano and bring peace and quiet back to the land? Would you hand over your daughter for the good of the community, to be murdered sacrificially?

Or... should we avoid going by man's faulty notions and instead stick with the Word of God, who gave us the 10 commandments where we are told such things as "You shall not commit adultery" and "You shall not murder"?

My neighbour is not in authority over me. God is. And God took the trouble to personally write the 10 commandments himself on tablets of stone. (Exo 31:18, Deu 9:10) These two things indicate both the supreme importance and the everlastingness of the 10 commandments. These are the same 10 commandments which include "Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labour, but on the seventh you shall rest..."

Seems to me that sabbath keeping is not some trivial disputable matter, but just as serious as the question of whether murder is wrong.

It seems even some animals keep the sabbath:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49T5unQEIbY

I go by Genesis,

Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done


that is fine enough for me.

I seriously am doubtful God is hung on whether people worked monday through saturday and rested sunday, or whether they worked sunday through saturday and rested sunday.


It is fine for others to translate the 'letter' of the law if it works for them. I follow the 'spirit' of it. work six days. rest one.

We are living in the last days of history,all the denominations are uniting now. Look what God says in the book of Revelation. My people get out of BABYLON. Babylon is the name for the man of sin. That is a church,the mother church. And now all her children are unithing with her. ONE WORLD ORDER AND ONE RELIGION. The problem is that only a few can preach the Three Angels Message. That's why only those who want to follow Jesus,open their heart for the truth. Ask me and i give you Jesus

The Seventh day Adventist also keep the Sabbath rest of God. That's why they can preached the everlasting gospel.

Catholics say that Jesus gave their sect all power to make such changes and that if they did it, it's the same as if He did it.

Don't you think it's more likely that Moses thought them up, then went up to a quarry high on the mountain in the fog with some expert rock chiselers and then when they returned down the mountain with the tablets, Moses told the people that God did it? If God did it, why didn't He use Titanium, something that would last? And then the Hebrews lost the tablets, true? If not, where are the originals? Did the angels take them back, the way they allegedly took back Joseph Smith's golden tablets? Why does God seem to be locked into using only the latest material that man can manipulate, like granite in Moses' case, and gold in Smith's case, why can't God use better material if He's going to produce such things Himself? God could have give Moses the tablets on stainless steel, but they didn't have that in those days.

WE know which day is the Sabbath because men began observing it from the time of creation and the Jews were still keeping 4000 years later when Christ was born on earth.

Christ kept the Sabbath … the Romans changed it Constantine …. the Roman Catholic church claim the change is a "mark" of their authority … the protestant reformers say the change of the day was the "Mark of the beast".

The Sabbath is on Saturday. 6 Days shall you work and the 7th day of rest is for Jesus.

The fact that Muslims worship their God on Sabbath, doesn't make it a better Religion. All religions were created by men, most of them during Slavery, and are therefore dubious. Sabbath is the last day of the week and currently it is the Saturday. If Saturday is the day of the lord then one might ask, why people are visiting the churches on Sundays. Below is the answer from the Apostle Paul himself:
[Romans 10:2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God but not according to knowledge.

In other words, the person who attends church on Sundays, has a feeling for God but has no knowledge of God, and therefore doesn't know that worshiping on Sunday, is of another God.

Sabbath is a day of rest and festivity and must be done as is specified in the Holy Scripture. Christ kept the Sabbath and on several occasions was tested by the Pharisee for his correct application of the law. Not applying the law as to scripture brings us back to what Paul said:
[Romans 10:2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God but not according to knowledge.

You are right, and the churches are not of God hence the consistent controversy between them.

Sabbath begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday.
A biblical day begins in the evening and ends at the start of the next evening

Adam began keeping the Sabbath when creation occurred.

In Genesis 49v10 the sceptre which was the rod of authority was given to Judah. This meant Judah was made responsible for maintaining, upholding and recording, God's law which was later to be known as the 10 commandments.

At Mt Sinai God's law was confirmed and was written on 2 stone tablets by God.

The Jews have continued from that time till now, copying and upholding the law as it was written in the Torah.

This responsibility given to Judah was to be retained by the Jews until Shiloh. In Daniel 9v24-27 his prophecy confirmed that the scepter would pass to Jesus.

When Jesus came he kept the Sabbath and the Jews have continued doing so right up to the present day.. That is how we know which day is the Sabbath. And Jesus said that not one letter, not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until the law and prophecy was fulfilled.

Jesus said that if one breaks one of the 10 commandments confirmed at Mt Sinai, you break them all.

Can you show me a script or Law in Genesis where God commanded Adam to keep the Sabbath? And which day is Sabbath according to your biblical findings? Moses 1st wrote the Law of Sabbath in [Exodus 20:11].

Can you show me a script or Law in Genesis where God commanded Adam to keep the Sabbath? And which day is Sabbath according to your biblical findings? Moses 1st wrote the Law of Sabbath in [Exodus 20:11].

Hi tdion

Thanks for your post.

I am no expert and I cannot show you in Genesis where God commanded the keeping of the Sabbath. However Genesis 2 v2-3 describes the beginning of Sabbath observance and God sanctified it, making it Holy.

He then set the example by complying with its requirements so I cannot imagine that Adam and Eve would not observe it to honour God as their creator. That was one of the reasons for its inception. It just makes sense to me that they were expected to recognise and keep it.

Cain slew Abel and God punished him (Gen 4v12) but we don't find in Genesis, the giving of those ceremonial laws. In Gen 26v5 God explains that Abraham obeyed his voice, kept his charge, his commandments, his statutes and laws. It appears that Cain and Abraham knew laws existed although the giving of the is not recorded in Genesis.. The giving of the commandments to Israel at Mt Sinai was a fair bit later.


I believe God's people have kept the Sabbath from the time it was first given. I acknowledge that at Mt Sinai it was formalised, set in stone but there was the law not given to Jews and Gentiles?


Maybe you can help me identify who are the Jews … some claim the whole 10 tribes were, but I understood that one inherits from the maternal line so given Judah was Jewish and his mother was Leah, then the descendants of Reuben, Simeon and Levi must also be Jewish since they were full brothers of Judah.

Maybe anyone can become Jewish by going to the synagogue?

The 7th day of the week is the Sabbath … no doubt about that … the Jews have kept it faithfully so we know when it occurs.

I guess the apparent arbitrary placement of the International dateline could raise a query?

Okay, very nice! I like your thoughts and what you had to say about Sabbath. I basically wanted to see how you would handle my 1st question about Sabbath.

God indeed did not command the keeping of the Sabbath in Genesis, but Adam and Eve did receive the laws, else Eve couldn't have sinned against God. For Sin is the breaking of the laws.

"Jew" is a blood line that started with Jacob who's name was changed to Israel.
Judah is the 4th born son of Jacob, and the word Jew is the abbreviation of the word JUDAH. The holy bible tells us in the book of [numbers 1:18] that the bloodline comes from the father and not the mother. Judah and his 11 brother have their own pedigrees and their descendants are named after them.

As I just mentioned The descendants of Judah are the real Jews but due to the diaspora Levi and Benjamin are popularly also called Jews. Together they form the Southern 3 tribes of Israel. The remainder form the Northern Kingdom.

As for the modern Jews one would have to raise the question who their descendants were, since they can't be the children of Judah, based on the selection of their pedigree. Also, where are the other 11 tribes? And also, notice that they don't call themselves Israelites but Israeli.

Indeed Cain knew that killing his brother was a sin, and Abraham was a righteous man why God loved him.

Going to the synagogue does not make one a Jew, because It is not possible to convert from any religion to a bloodline.