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Topic: check, check, re check sources
mightymoe's photo
Tue 01/28/14 01:05 PM


kinda odd that the person who started this checks facts the least...


GREAT EXAMPLE OF

OPINION,,,:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:


no, this is your opinion:

"pick one for what?

millions post opinions about what they read,, this is proof of it,,lol

all referencing the same 'article' but only the snippet that seems to enforce their bias

I included the ORIGINAL article that the articles in your search REFER to,,,

and its quite different than the opinions of it that individuals chose to write about all over the web,,, "

i posted search results, millions of hits, and they are all just "opinions"
you don't want to read anything negative about your king
thats a fact...

(you proved it true by your own words)

willing2's photo
Tue 01/28/14 01:07 PM

Now, anyone want to review these claims and give the oButmeister his due or, you gonna claim it's all lies?



First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.

First President to violate the War Powers Act.

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on “shovel-ready” jobs when there was no such thing as “shovel-ready” jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to go on multiple “global apology tours” and concurrent “insult our friends” tours.

First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.

First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth

First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they “volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences.”

Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion. (Thank God he did not get away with THIS one.)

How many of these claims are false. If you agree any of them are true, you have to be hatin' on the big O.

WUT?
Nobody want to face facts?

msharmony's photo
Tue 01/28/14 01:11 PM



kinda odd that the person who started this checks facts the least...


GREAT EXAMPLE OF

OPINION,,,:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:


no, this is your opinion:

"pick one for what?

millions post opinions about what they read,, this is proof of it,,lol

all referencing the same 'article' but only the snippet that seems to enforce their bias

I included the ORIGINAL article that the articles in your search REFER to,,,

and its quite different than the opinions of it that individuals chose to write about all over the web,,, "

i posted search results, millions of hits, and they are all just "opinions"
you don't want to read anything negative about your king
thats a fact...

(you proved it true by your own words)



you are getting it

the ARTICLE includes both the opinions of the writer and FACTUALLY, quotes from the President

the search engine turned up MILLIONS of hits of individuals referring to that article and giving their opinion

I included my opinion of their opinions

the only FACT is the quotes attributed to the President, all the other contributions are opinions of what others think it means,,,,


mightymoe's photo
Tue 01/28/14 01:21 PM




kinda odd that the person who started this checks facts the least...


GREAT EXAMPLE OF

OPINION,,,:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:


no, this is your opinion:

"pick one for what?

millions post opinions about what they read,, this is proof of it,,lol

all referencing the same 'article' but only the snippet that seems to enforce their bias

I included the ORIGINAL article that the articles in your search REFER to,,,

and its quite different than the opinions of it that individuals chose to write about all over the web,,, "

i posted search results, millions of hits, and they are all just "opinions"
you don't want to read anything negative about your king
thats a fact...

(you proved it true by your own words)



you are getting it

the ARTICLE includes both the opinions of the writer and FACTUALLY, quotes from the President

the search engine turned up MILLIONS of hits of individuals referring to that article and giving their opinion

I included my opinion of their opinions

the only FACT is the quotes attributed to the President, all the other contributions are opinions of what others think it means,,,,



no, the millions of hits were different articles at different times... you think barry only called race once? whoa

msharmony's photo
Tue 01/28/14 07:58 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 01/28/14 08:01 PM





kinda odd that the person who started this checks facts the least...


GREAT EXAMPLE OF

OPINION,,,:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:


no, this is your opinion:

"pick one for what?

millions post opinions about what they read,, this is proof of it,,lol

all referencing the same 'article' but only the snippet that seems to enforce their bias

I included the ORIGINAL article that the articles in your search REFER to,,,

and its quite different than the opinions of it that individuals chose to write about all over the web,,, "

i posted search results, millions of hits, and they are all just "opinions"
you don't want to read anything negative about your king
thats a fact...

(you proved it true by your own words)



you are getting it

the ARTICLE includes both the opinions of the writer and FACTUALLY, quotes from the President

the search engine turned up MILLIONS of hits of individuals referring to that article and giving their opinion

I included my opinion of their opinions

the only FACT is the quotes attributed to the President, all the other contributions are opinions of what others think it means,,,,



no, the millions of hits were different articles at different times... you think barry only called race once? whoa



seriously? did you read any of them,, let me demonstrate

1st link http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/01/horrible-obama-blames-racism-for-his-lower-approval-ratings/ quote


according to a story posted on the New Yorker magazine’s website today.

“There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black president,” Obama said in the article by David Remnick, appearing in the magazine’s Jan. 27 edition.


2nd link http://www.examiner.com/article/barack-obama-blames-racism-for-lack-of-approval-among-white-voters quote

that's what he told the New Yorker magazine in an article published on its website Sunday.

“There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black President,” he told the New Yorker


3rd link http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2014/01/obama-blames-racism-for-poor-approval.html quote

Obama:

"There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black president."


I don't need to go on to know that all the other sites will likewise repeat this 'quote' along with their OPINIONS about it,,,

willing2's photo
Tue 01/28/14 08:14 PM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 01/28/14 08:15 PM
Dats oButmeister truff.
Da real truff, boy ain't fit ta lead there, boo.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Wed 01/29/14 04:32 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Wed 01/29/14 04:33 PM



http://www.tctimes.com/news/it-s-true-because-the-internet-said-so-right/article_cbb36a80-8373-11e3-965b-0019bb2963f4.html


According to the Internet, it was President Abraham Lincoln who said, “The problem with Internet quotes is that you can’t always depend on their accuracy.” The sentence is often used to point out how unreliable some information can be when it comes to websites. If you found yourself questioning whether Lincoln’s ‘quote’ was ever true, it may be time to visit new sites.

 If you’re looking for the most useful and persuasive information, try to find information that is objective, which Merriam Webster defines as “based on facts rather than feelings or opinions.”
......



In order to get the best, most well-rounded view of an issue, people should read from multiple websites and news sources. While news outlets should strive to remain objective and keep their opinions out of reporting, that is not always the case. While these websites listed by the Times is a good start, consider reading from as many different viewpoints as possible. Conservative, liberal, independent, feminist, patriarchal, religious, secular — the more opinions and facts you are exposed to, the more you can strengthen your own criticisms and opinions.


Many are incapable of determining fact from opinion, nor are they able to critique sources and we see this repeatedly on internet message boards and forums. The ability to critique sources with a modicum of objectivity is usually the realm of the graduate and not the average person. Furthermore, the ability to read a wide range of material won't guarantee any form of objectivity. Many will dismiss something out of hand based upon personal prejudice and confirmation bias, while others lack the empathy required to assess a point of view on its merits. Let's face it, many armchair politicians/historians/psychologists/generals or whatever really don't know a subject beyond a somewhat superficial understanding of the complexities and relationships involved for a given topic.


that's true,

I have 'heard' many things that were also posted on the internet a million times over , but from 'opinion' pieces which offered no FACTUAL or verifiable reference,,,

which causes me to look FURTHER for what has a verifiable and reliable source,, but then many will feel the source the information is ABOUT is dishonest and so will rely on sources that are just reiterating allegations about the source,,,




its a balancing act, but still, its best not to just believe anything that supports our biases, without further verification of its source, reliability, and the FACTs included as opposed to the spins and opinions,,,


I think the key is remaining rational and use logic to assess a claim. Spin is simple to identify, as is an opinion, however, the facts are often disguised in this mix, but they become easy to discern with practice and by simply employing reason. Just don't give in to alarmist hysteria and remain focussed upon reality.


msharmony's photo
Wed 01/29/14 10:20 PM




http://www.tctimes.com/news/it-s-true-because-the-internet-said-so-right/article_cbb36a80-8373-11e3-965b-0019bb2963f4.html


According to the Internet, it was President Abraham Lincoln who said, “The problem with Internet quotes is that you can’t always depend on their accuracy.” The sentence is often used to point out how unreliable some information can be when it comes to websites. If you found yourself questioning whether Lincoln’s ‘quote’ was ever true, it may be time to visit new sites.

 If you’re looking for the most useful and persuasive information, try to find information that is objective, which Merriam Webster defines as “based on facts rather than feelings or opinions.”
......



In order to get the best, most well-rounded view of an issue, people should read from multiple websites and news sources. While news outlets should strive to remain objective and keep their opinions out of reporting, that is not always the case. While these websites listed by the Times is a good start, consider reading from as many different viewpoints as possible. Conservative, liberal, independent, feminist, patriarchal, religious, secular — the more opinions and facts you are exposed to, the more you can strengthen your own criticisms and opinions.


Many are incapable of determining fact from opinion, nor are they able to critique sources and we see this repeatedly on internet message boards and forums. The ability to critique sources with a modicum of objectivity is usually the realm of the graduate and not the average person. Furthermore, the ability to read a wide range of material won't guarantee any form of objectivity. Many will dismiss something out of hand based upon personal prejudice and confirmation bias, while others lack the empathy required to assess a point of view on its merits. Let's face it, many armchair politicians/historians/psychologists/generals or whatever really don't know a subject beyond a somewhat superficial understanding of the complexities and relationships involved for a given topic.


that's true,

I have 'heard' many things that were also posted on the internet a million times over , but from 'opinion' pieces which offered no FACTUAL or verifiable reference,,,

which causes me to look FURTHER for what has a verifiable and reliable source,, but then many will feel the source the information is ABOUT is dishonest and so will rely on sources that are just reiterating allegations about the source,,,




its a balancing act, but still, its best not to just believe anything that supports our biases, without further verification of its source, reliability, and the FACTs included as opposed to the spins and opinions,,,


I think the key is remaining rational and use logic to assess a claim. Spin is simple to identify, as is an opinion, however, the facts are often disguised in this mix, but they become easy to discern with practice and by simply employing reason. Just don't give in to alarmist hysteria and remain focussed upon reality.






great advice

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 01/30/14 08:15 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 01/30/14 08:17 AM




http://www.tctimes.com/news/it-s-true-because-the-internet-said-so-right/article_cbb36a80-8373-11e3-965b-0019bb2963f4.html


According to the Internet, it was President Abraham Lincoln who said, “The problem with Internet quotes is that you can’t always depend on their accuracy.” The sentence is often used to point out how unreliable some information can be when it comes to websites. If you found yourself questioning whether Lincoln’s ‘quote’ was ever true, it may be time to visit new sites.

 If you’re looking for the most useful and persuasive information, try to find information that is objective, which Merriam Webster defines as “based on facts rather than feelings or opinions.”
......



In order to get the best, most well-rounded view of an issue, people should read from multiple websites and news sources. While news outlets should strive to remain objective and keep their opinions out of reporting, that is not always the case. While these websites listed by the Times is a good start, consider reading from as many different viewpoints as possible. Conservative, liberal, independent, feminist, patriarchal, religious, secular — the more opinions and facts you are exposed to, the more you can strengthen your own criticisms and opinions.


Many are incapable of determining fact from opinion, nor are they able to critique sources and we see this repeatedly on internet message boards and forums. The ability to critique sources with a modicum of objectivity is usually the realm of the graduate and not the average person. Furthermore, the ability to read a wide range of material won't guarantee any form of objectivity. Many will dismiss something out of hand based upon personal prejudice and confirmation bias, while others lack the empathy required to assess a point of view on its merits. Let's face it, many armchair politicians/historians/psychologists/generals or whatever really don't know a subject beyond a somewhat superficial understanding of the complexities and relationships involved for a given topic.


that's true,

I have 'heard' many things that were also posted on the internet a million times over , but from 'opinion' pieces which offered no FACTUAL or verifiable reference,,,

which causes me to look FURTHER for what has a verifiable and reliable source,, but then many will feel the source the information is ABOUT is dishonest and so will rely on sources that are just reiterating allegations about the source,,,




its a balancing act, but still, its best not to just believe anything that supports our biases, without further verification of its source, reliability, and the FACTs included as opposed to the spins and opinions,,,


I think the key is remaining rational and use logic to assess a claim. Spin is simple to identify, as is an opinion, however, the facts are often disguised in this mix, but they become easy to discern with practice and by simply employing reason. Just don't give in to alarmist hysteria and remain focussed upon reality.




Whose rational is accepted is the X factor. Because YOU believe something to be true or rational does not make it so.

Perhaps Your rational becomes the question...... defend that as anything other than more opinion!

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 01/30/14 06:13 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 01/30/14 06:22 PM



Whose rational is accepted is the X factor. Because YOU believe something to be true or rational does not make it so.
Perhaps Your rational becomes the question...... defend that as anything other than more opinion!


Not this poorly developed sophistry again? You really need another form of rhetoric as this is getting tired. I know many use this specious argument to justify their irrational and hysterical notions, but sorry, I'm not buying this garbage. You and I have been through this before and you still haven't produced anything that could be considered coherent on the subject. Facts are facts, unsupported rants and stories are just unsupported rants and stories. Any attempt to blur the line using amateur philosophical fallacies is just intellectually dishonest.

TxsGal3333's photo
Tue 02/04/14 05:50 PM
Keep the insults off the forums. Either keep it on the Topic or by pass the subject...

Even though the site would like to see sources noted when debating it is not required unless it is when the topic is created... All others we understand is the opinion of the member.

Regardless, we still expect all post to be within a debate and never attacking each other...

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