The first car was actually built in France in the 18th century Izzy and was steam powered, believe it or not? It lay in a barn for years as it's inventor thought it would never catch on. This was years before Daimler and Benz. Charles Babbage, invented the first computer in 1849.

I would dare give credit to the Chinese for being inventing a wooden machine to do complicated math. The abacus, I'll believe it is.

Aye and we can give the credit for the first car to Fred Flintstone, if you want also Willing? Ha ha

During a world history class,centuries ago, we had to practice equations on them.

The Abacus, very fast and very efficient. A computer operated by the power of the fingers.

For the Chinese, all the way back to the 2nd Century AD.

The OP of this discussion thread quotes an article published by the Tri-County Times of Fenton, Michigan.

In the article, the publication lets its readers know what objective websites that the publication uses to check facts, such as pewresearch.org, Gallup.com and Propublica.org. The publication also recommends that people use fact-checking websites such as Factcheck.org, Snopes.com and the Washington Post'��s The Fact Checker blog.

The article closes with the following paragraph:



There isn't anything liberal about that last paragraph.

One is making a straw-man argument when one claims that the OP of this thread is promoting liberalism or any political opinion.

this thread had already gone off on a totally different tangent

but thanx for the relevant post,,

It's not a current event. It's not a news story and was stated it wasn't put in here for political reasons.
The article does not fit any qualifications of news and current events.

I wish the mods would move it to it's proper place in the forums.

why not report it and advise which category you feel is 'proper'

They scan the threads and move them.

They have many of mine.

Looks like liberals get the free passes.

The OP is quoting an article published by the Tri-County Times of Fenton, Michigan, which is a news organization. So, this thread is in the appropriate forum.

The OP of this thread has nothing to do with liberalism.

Try that straw man elsewhere.

yea, like the WH press secretary spewing barry's lies?

Or hate-driven websites promoting false claims about President Obama.

you guys can whine about that all you want, but 2 things to say:

if people actually liked barry, they wouldn't be doing that, and half the stuff people are saying is lies are not lies. some people are to lazy to dig for facts.

I suppose if people 'liked' anything , those particular people wouldn't write commentaries or articles espousing that they didn't 'like' that thing,,lol

that's the chaos of the internet, people can write whatever they want in most cases with little accountability

there is no one, no place, no thing that 'everyone' likes, so 'someone' will always print something somewhere that explains their personal reasons to dislike that person, place or thing

And some people reject facts that contradict their attempts to demonize the POTUS.

Back when GWB occupied the Oval Office, Bush-haters accused Snopes.com of having a Republican/Conservative bias because the website didn't support the false anti-Bush claims spread by Bush-haters.

Nowadays, Obama-haters accuse Snopes.com of having a Democrat/liberal bias because the website doesn't support the false anti-Obama claims made by Obama-haters.

Who is an oButmeister hater?
Take the test.


First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.

First President to violate the War Powers Act.

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on “shovel-ready” jobs when there was no such thing as “shovel-ready” jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to go on multiple “global apology tours” and concurrent “insult our friends” tours.

First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.

First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth

First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they “volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences.”

Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion. (Thank God he did not get away with THIS one.)

How many of these claims are false. If you agree any of them are true, you have to be hatin' on the big O.

From TruthorFiction.com:

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner-Fiction!

First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in- Fiction!

First President to violate the War Powers Act. Fiction!

First President to defy a Federal Judges court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.- Fiction!

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat. Fiction!

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions- Fiction!

First President to terminate Americas ability to put a man in space. Fiction!

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN)- Fiction!

First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.- Fiction!

First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the U.S. Flag. Fiction!

First President to refuse to wear the U.S. Flag lapel pin- Fiction!

First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife. - Fiction!