Topic: Prejudice apart,what do you like the most about Obamacare?
Conrad_73's photo
Thu 10/17/13 09:47 AM
The government funded 10 dollar tomato.
condensed from an article by Frank S. Rosenbloom, M.D.

How could we end up with a $10 tomato?

The price of tomatoes, and other commodities are kept fairly low by open free-market competition.

However, there is one way that we could see a $10 tomato...if we get government involved in the food industry.

First, the government could start a food insurance system to help retired people afford groceries. This system would also be utilized by wealthy retired people, even by those who owned grocery stores and tomato farms. It could also be used by persons who were disabled; and a similar but separate system could be initiated for people who fall below a certain income level. Each system would require a nationwide army of government bureaucrats to administer all the paperwork.

The government would have lists to detail which groceries were applicable and which were not. Perhaps there would be only one type of tomato offered to individuals on the Government grocery plan.

Of course, we have to get much more complicated than this. Let's continue by prohibiting retired people from purchasing food outside this system. Then, we charge them a monthly premium for the privilege of using the authorized stores.

Meanwhile the rest of us, not eligible for the system would pay a federal grocery tax, the government telling us that we are paying for our future grocery rights when we retire. The groceries we will use in the future are not even seeds yet, but we've heard this before.

Complex paperwork would be required to enroll in this system and even more would be needed any time someone went shopping, including detailed pre-authorization before placing any groceries into the cart. Several additional store employees would be needed just to handle the red tape.

Retired or poor shoppers would not pay for their tomatoes at the time of purchase. The store would instead have to bill a government agency, "Foodicare", for the products that the shopper "purchased". In many instances a month or two later the store would receive a statement, called an "explanation of grocery benefits" which would explain why the tomatoes in question did not fit the requirements for government-subsidized tomatoes and payment would be denied. Of course, the customer has already eaten the tomatoes and the store would be left holding the bag. Soon all the stores would have to write off substantial losses.

To offset such losses, stores would buy private insurance to ensure payment of tomatoes, thus giving incentive for the stores to raise tomato prices. The government would be all for this, as it would not only hide the problems regarding the tomato system, but it would also ensure that other people who previously actually paid for their tomatoes would be primed and ready for government sponsored tomatoes once they hit the age of 65.

That, my friends is how you would see a $10 tomato.

But, even the Obama administration has not been so stupid as to become involved in the grocery business -- yet.

steadi4u's photo
Thu 10/17/13 10:21 AM
if everyone gets life insurance, that doesn't mean it will b close 2 being as good. mainly bc they have 2 cover everyone. they should do away w this corrupt law. it is corrupt bc it is used 4 political gains. nothing else. u think he actually cares about anyone, well u got his wife & kids. no one else, & their covered by the government. rant

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 10/17/13 11:45 AM
This!!!!!!!!!!!!!



msharmony's photo
Thu 10/17/13 12:07 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 10/17/13 12:08 PM
how far into the future?

how much did NO obamacare raise premiums,,,,in a six year period?

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/site_docs/slideshows/PremiumTrends/PremiumTrends.html

premiums have risen before this law,,not BECAUSE of the law

metalwing's photo
Thu 10/17/13 02:34 PM

how far into the future?

how much did NO obamacare raise premiums,,,,in a six year period?

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/site_docs/slideshows/PremiumTrends/PremiumTrends.html

premiums have risen before this law,,not BECAUSE of the law


Good grief! Everyone who has studied Obamacare knows it has raised premiums along the lines of the chart above. The program is a redistribution of wealth causing the people who can afford it (?) to pay for the people who cannot. It also gets rid of pre-existing condition requirements and caps which raises the cost for everyone.

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/17/13 02:39 PM


how far into the future?

how much did NO obamacare raise premiums,,,,in a six year period?

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/site_docs/slideshows/PremiumTrends/PremiumTrends.html

premiums have risen before this law,,not BECAUSE of the law


Good grief! Everyone who has studied Obamacare knows it has raised premiums along the lines of the chart above. The program is a redistribution of wealth causing the people who can afford it (?) to pay for the people who cannot. It also gets rid of pre-existing condition requirements and caps which raises the cost for everyone.


guess numbers don't work for ya huh?

I STUDIED premiums, and premium increases,, the NUMBERS show that premiums have BEEN increasing

what isn't shown is that they are now going to increase any MORE than they ALREADY WERE,,,,,or that increases that were already happening are strictly the fault of the reform bill

some peoples premiums will go up, that's undeniable and unavoidable, that happens and happened even before any REFORM was proposed

the people who 'can afford' were already paying for those who couldn't, they were called the UNINSURED and they ALREADY caused premiums to increase amongst those with insurance

this puts more money into the pool so those increases don't have to continue exponentially and without cap or end,,,,



no photo
Thu 10/17/13 04:48 PM
Obama care will destroy this country financially..if you dont understand what will happen you deffinetly dont understand. business or. economics..why do you people want the government to tell you how to live..i beleive you need to earn it on your own keep gov out of my life..

no photo
Thu 10/17/13 04:58 PM
To the dumb ***** that dont think ins. Premiums will raise when obama care goes into effect you surly will deserve what you get..but i suppose you think someone else like me should pay it for you..its time you people better grow up and look back at history and realize this country will crumble ..when gov tells you how to live it is a dictator ship...wake up people study your history

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Thu 10/17/13 05:02 PM
To the dumb ***** that dont think ins. Premiums will raise when obama care goes into effect you surly will deserve what you get..but i suppose you think someone else like me should pay it for you..its time you people better grow up and look back at history and realize this country will crumble ..when gov tells you how to live it is a dictator ship...wake up people study your history

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Thu 10/17/13 05:08 PM
To the laddy saying premiums havent gone up cause of obama care..wake up and understand ibama care is in effect yet..just wait it will how nieve are you people..when a insurance company is forced to insure sick people they will raise everybodys insurance..if you dont beleive that ask someone with a bad driving record with dui on there drivung record..ask them what their car insurance cost are..

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Thu 10/17/13 05:30 PM
We have reached a point in history where the unknowing, the ignorant and yes, the stupid have taken control of our country. By shear numbers and inability to rationalize they will lead us, our country, where our fore fathers feared that we would one day go. The Affordable Care Act is not and was not intended to work. It is only a precurser to government managed healthcare, nothing more. It will fail, as intended, and set the pathway to more government control of the lives of the unknowing and the gullible. They will argue as they are dragged into the sink hole how great it is. Just like the dead in Jonestown, they will believe in it until the end when it is too late. Enjoy and relish what freedoms that you have now. Soon, like you, they will be gone.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 10/18/13 01:34 AM

if everyone gets life insurance, that doesn't mean it will b close 2 being as good. mainly bc they have 2 cover everyone. they should do away w this corrupt law. it is corrupt bc it is used 4 political gains. nothing else. u think he actually cares about anyone, well u got his wife & kids. no one else, & their covered by the government. rant


Narcissists don't care about anyone but them selves. They only value their wife and children because it propels their image as an extention on them and it feeds their massive ego.. They don't give a crap about them and Obama is a text book narcissist with a god complex.

Obama only cares about himself.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/18/13 03:09 AM

To the laddy saying premiums havent gone up cause of obama care..wake up and understand ibama care is in effect yet..just wait it will how nieve are you people..when a insurance company is forced to insure sick people they will raise everybodys insurance..if you dont beleive that ask someone with a bad driving record with dui on there drivung record..ask them what their car insurance cost are..


that's because there aren't caps on auto insurance

of course people premiums will go up, and insurance co will always have some excuse as to why

but,,sick people can GET some affordable insurance finally, and people will be much less likely to lose their homes over illness that they owe out of pocket due to being uninsured,,,

with some exceptions (like smokers) the cap of the insurance premiums will be 9.5 percent of income with most much lower than that as income goes up



msharmony's photo
Fri 10/18/13 03:10 AM


if everyone gets life insurance, that doesn't mean it will b close 2 being as good. mainly bc they have 2 cover everyone. they should do away w this corrupt law. it is corrupt bc it is used 4 political gains. nothing else. u think he actually cares about anyone, well u got his wife & kids. no one else, & their covered by the government. rant


Narcissists don't care about anyone but them selves. They only value their wife and children because it propels their image as an extention on them and it feeds their massive ego.. They don't give a crap about them and Obama is a text book narcissist with a god complex.

Obama only cares about himself.



umm, I would think the narcissists would be the ones saying they don't want their 'taxes' providing healthcare for others,,,

just saying

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 10/18/13 05:09 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 10/18/13 05:14 AM


To the laddy saying premiums havent gone up cause of obama care..wake up and understand ibama care is in effect yet..just wait it will how nieve are you people..when a insurance company is forced to insure sick people they will raise everybodys insurance..if you dont beleive that ask someone with a bad driving record with dui on there drivung record..ask them what their car insurance cost are..


that's because there aren't caps on auto insurance

of course people premiums will go up, and insurance co will always have some excuse as to why

but,,sick people can GET some affordable insurance finally, and people will be much less likely to lose their homes over illness that they owe out of pocket due to being uninsured,,,

with some exceptions (like smokers) the cap of the insurance premiums will be 9.5 percent of income with most much lower than that as income goes up



Owning your home and living in your home are 2 different things.

Under Obozocare, with the help of the IRS, your assets can be attached and awarded without your consent, your funds seized automaticaly from your "registered" bank acct, your wages attached and your licenses for both business and personal endeavors can be revoked.

But because some think they will get something they don't already have people will sign their freedoms away to an ever expanding gov't interested only in control, not care, health or people!

This goes beyond a single Pied Piper, but we haven't had a leader that cared enough for the people (perhaps other than Kennedy actually) to fight for us for many, many decades!

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/18/13 10:49 AM
freedom comes with responsibility and sometimes sacrifice

if it were truly 'free', it would have no value whatsoever

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 10/18/13 01:04 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 10/18/13 01:05 PM

freedom comes with responsibility and sometimes sacrifice

if it were truly 'free', it would have no value whatsoever


You said it, "freedom comes with responsibility and sometimes sacrifice"... not to be confused with your complacency on the tyranny we face under this lying, spying, taxing, spending, economy destroying, administration!

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 10/18/13 01:14 PM

freedom comes with responsibility and sometimes sacrifice

if it were truly 'free', it would have no value whatsoever
in other words,you have to buy your Freedom daily from Government!
Guess you like being extorted!

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/18/13 02:27 PM


freedom comes with responsibility and sometimes sacrifice

if it were truly 'free', it would have no value whatsoever


You said it, "freedom comes with responsibility and sometimes sacrifice"... not to be confused with your complacency on the tyranny we face under this lying, spying, taxing, spending, economy destroying, administration!



nothing is perfect, I value the things I value, like everyone else values their own things

don't confuse my having different priorites and concerns and causes than others as being 'complacent'


also don't confuse our DEMOCRATIC process where the majority of the elected get to make the decisions as 'tyranny'

we are a result of what our majority have voted for,, obviously you fall in the minority on certain issues as do I, and the constitutional process has us both OUTVOTED on those issues,,,

Id rather keep trying to work towards changing those personal priorities I want to see changed, keeping in mind that no person, entity, or government will be perfect in all things,

than go out of my way to obsess over anything I can find that's not perfect

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/18/13 02:29 PM


freedom comes with responsibility and sometimes sacrifice

if it were truly 'free', it would have no value whatsoever
in other words,you have to buy your Freedom daily from Government!
Guess you like being extorted!



in other words it would be better to 'mooch' , and not have to contribute anything for the 'great' land we want to live in?

it should be great without any type of investment to make it so,,,


??


life don't work that way,,,


no, the only way I feel extorted is through the greed of capitalism which allows those who have to exploit those who don't


other than that, I don't feel like Im being extorted at all, but that I should be expected to put back in something when IM getting something out of it,,