Topic: Prejudice apart,what do you like the most about Obamacare?
Peccy's photo
Sun 10/13/13 08:31 PM
I'll simply pay the fine. If it gets to a point where buying insurance will be cheaper than paying the fine, I'll do that. I doubt Obamacare will last long when all the liberals who still believe it's free find out how much it's going to cost.

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Sun 10/13/13 08:43 PM


"The welfare of the people in particular
has always been the alibi of tyrants.'


–Albert Camus

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/14/13 03:49 AM
so, right now,employee plan is 124 every two weeks on a 20000 salary

I cam make more than twice that much in the future (50000) and get an equivalent plan for only 60 dollars more (182)

Ill risk the difference,,,,so others who couldn't get insurance before can now,,, that's the patriot in me I guess,,,,

sparkyae5's photo
Mon 10/14/13 05:18 AM
alleoops,,,,you got right.....hurts 80% to try to help 15% the rest are exempt obama and his supporters..............big lie,,as always,,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 10/14/13 08:01 AM

Welfare and entitlements are not charity. It is control thru taxation

metalwing's photo
Mon 10/14/13 08:14 AM
Mark Twain specified that his autobiography not be released until he had been dead for 100 years. He wanted to make sure that everyone he insulted in his final work would also be dead, along with close relatives. The autobiography is out now and there are plenty of the dead and buried insulted in it. But one group he insults is not only still alive—it’s growing by leaps and bounds. This group consists of people who look to nanny government for their sustenance, a group that has come to be known as the entitlement generation.

In his autobiography Twain comments that “Any man who is satisfied to be fed by another man rather than by the honest sweat of his own brow should be shot.” Twain cites numerous occasions in his life when he was taken advantage of while trying to do a good deed for another man. Twain’s well-intentioned deeds typically consisted of providing for people who claimed to be down on their luck. In variably, the person “helped” did not appreciate the help, did not pay back the money Twain loaned him, and did not change his profligate ways. This situation should sound familiar to anyone aware of what has happened to America during the Obama administration. In fact, if Mark Twain were still alive he would be aghast to learn that the phenomenon he decried has become an accepted and acceptable way of life in America.

Twain, never one to treat politicians gently, would have much to say about President Obama and so-called progressive liberals who not only condone the entitlement mentality, but promulgate it as a political strategy for gaining and retaining power. I am sure he would also have a word or two to say about Americans who think the government—that is to say the American taxpayer—owes them a living. If Mark Twain could come back from the grave he would find an America much changed from the one he knew. Twain’s was a more self-reliant America in which those who were truly down on their luck looked to charity for help, not the government, and those who could work did.

Mark Twain and people of his era knew instinctively that to allow a man to live off the earnings of others was to rob that man of his dignity, ambition, and self-worth, not to mention robbing the giver of his hard-earned income. They also knew that when dealing with people you get more of what you reward. Reward sloth through government entitlements or any other means and you will get more sloth. It is really that simple. The entitlement mentality is more addictive than cocaine and it can spread faster than a virus. Allow a man to get used to being idle and he will want to be idle forever. Reward idleness with government entitlements and people will make a living from being idle.

Laziness, sloth, and idleness are concepts that even the most ignorant, uneducated, unskilled individual is born knowing how to exploit to his advantage. People who will not exert even an ounce of initiative, drive, or energy to take care of themselves will exert enormous effort, motivation, and innovation when it comes to playing the system to get the most for doing the least. These entitled individuals then sire large numbers of entitled youngsters—usually out of wedlock—who grow up with the entitlement mentality instilled at their mothers’ breasts. Mark Twain might have over stated his solution to this problem somewhat, but he at least recognized the need for a solution.

Read more at http://patriotupdate.com/articles/mark-twain-on-the-entitlement-mentality/#OMx3zD0ZV0vG179P.99

Peccy's photo
Mon 10/14/13 10:07 AM

so, right now,employee plan is 124 every two weeks on a 20000 salary

I cam make more than twice that much in the future (50000) and get an equivalent plan for only 60 dollars more (182)

Ill risk the difference,,,,so others who couldn't get insurance before can now,,, that's the patriot in me I guess,,,,
The patriot in you? . . . lol

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Mon 10/14/13 10:29 AM


so, right now,employee plan is 124 every two weeks on a 20000 salary

I cam make more than twice that much in the future (50000) and get an equivalent plan for only 60 dollars more (182)

Ill risk the difference,,,,so others who couldn't get insurance before can now,,, that's the patriot in me I guess,,,,
The patriot in you? . . . lol


laugh Hey Peccy!!waving

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 10/14/13 10:32 AM


I have only one question to ask if Obamacare is so wonderful. Why have members of Congress repeatedly wanted to be exempt from have to fall under Obamacare's cloak? Why would they not welcome having this new coverage, instead of demanding that they can be exempted from it? Any answers?



as I have no evidence of what congress 'wanted', its a null question

I imagine, congress having more than 500 individuals, some will want to keep the plans they already have,,,just because they are happy with the plan they have



The ACA is preventing people from keeping their current plans. So why should federal employees be able to keep their current plans?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 10/14/13 10:34 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 10/14/13 10:36 AM

This guy did a little research.....


Obamacare Exposed Biggest Swindle Ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMFLbRilj3M

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 10/14/13 10:39 AM



never ceases to amaze me the very passionate and seemingly PERSONAL and vile HATRED some have for this president,, compared to any before

though he has really not done anything but allow congress to run the country,,


seems you need to harken back to the Vitriol the Left poured on GWB daily!slaphead



I didn't hear the hatred for him,, to be honest

I mostly heard ridicule,, nothing close to the vile 'personal' hatefulness I See towards this president,,


Then you were oblivious to all of the hatred aimed at GWB.
In short, people on the right are treating the current American President the same way that people on the left treated his predecessor.

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Mon 10/14/13 10:40 AM


This guy did a little research.....


Obamacare Exposed Biggest Swindle Ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMFLbRilj3M


Wow!:thumbsup: ...Hope when Harmony has 16 minutes to spare she uses them to watch this vid...:smile:

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 10/14/13 10:42 AM

so, right now,employee plan is 124 every two weeks on a 20000 salary

I cam make more than twice that much in the future (50000) and get an equivalent plan for only 60 dollars more (182)

Ill risk the difference,,,,so others who couldn't get insurance before can now,,, that's the patriot in me I guess,,,,


So Bernie Madoff is a patriot and not a swindler? Who woulda thunk it? slaphead

rofl

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 10/14/13 10:44 AM
seems Obama is sending in all the Troops he can muster!
At another Site a "Webmistresss" of some Healthsite is monopolizing the Thread with dozens of inane links!
Strangely enough she hails from Spain,but sure is a staunch Obamunista!laugh

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 10/14/13 10:46 AM

'most' blacks can think for themselves as well as 'most' whites,, tyvm


Those who do tend to leave the Democratic Party. :tongue:

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Mon 10/14/13 10:50 AM


'most' blacks can think for themselves as well as 'most' whites,, tyvm


Those who do tend to leave the Democratic Party. :tongue:


Oooo! :thumbsup: good one!

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/14/13 11:11 AM



I have only one question to ask if Obamacare is so wonderful. Why have members of Congress repeatedly wanted to be exempt from have to fall under Obamacare's cloak? Why would they not welcome having this new coverage, instead of demanding that they can be exempted from it? Any answers?



as I have no evidence of what congress 'wanted', its a null question

I imagine, congress having more than 500 individuals, some will want to keep the plans they already have,,,just because they are happy with the plan they have



The ACA is preventing people from keeping their current plans. So why should federal employees be able to keep their current plans?



they shouldn't and they cant

some have employers that wont provide coverage that meets requirements

many have employers who do (like mine)


Conrad_73's photo
Mon 10/14/13 11:14 AM




I have only one question to ask if Obamacare is so wonderful. Why have members of Congress repeatedly wanted to be exempt from have to fall under Obamacare's cloak? Why would they not welcome having this new coverage, instead of demanding that they can be exempted from it? Any answers?



as I have no evidence of what congress 'wanted', its a null question

I imagine, congress having more than 500 individuals, some will want to keep the plans they already have,,,just because they are happy with the plan they have



The ACA is preventing people from keeping their current plans. So why should federal employees be able to keep their current plans?



they shouldn't and they cant

some have employers that wont provide coverage that meets requirements

many have employers who do (like mine)


but they will!
It is raining exceptions!
Just ask Nancy,Pelosi that is!

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/14/13 11:14 AM


so, right now,employee plan is 124 every two weeks on a 20000 salary

I cam make more than twice that much in the future (50000) and get an equivalent plan for only 60 dollars more (182)

Ill risk the difference,,,,so others who couldn't get insurance before can now,,, that's the patriot in me I guess,,,,


So Bernie Madoff is a patriot and not a swindler? Who woulda thunk it? slaphead

rofl


ad hominem much,,,?

I mentioned nothing about Bernie MAdoff

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 10/14/13 11:15 AM

All the Presidents men..... got exemptions!