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Topic: God is NOT a loving god.
Lazarus102 Joined Sun 05/19/13 Posts: 201	Mon 05/27/13 03:53 AM
absence of 'proof' is not proof of absence,,,, well said... Nobody forces anyone to believe in God. Certainly when we die we will see what to believe. A person holding a gun to your head isn't forcing you to do what he says either, but if you don't BAM! There's no telling from a psychological angle whether he'd pull the trigger or not, but then the guy doesn't know if you'd cooperate without the gun in his hand. Threats to get people to do what you want is a sign of insecurity. Why would a god that does not want to force people into a religion resort to such barbaric methods to make people believe? If god was good and god was pure then he would have people follow him with no need for such threats, he would have people follow him like the children followed the pied piper. Threats are a very human form of persuasion and it's not at all like a sign that says there's a wall at the end of this road, god is the one in control of if people go to hell or heaven, it's more like a sign that says "if you go down this road I will bash your head in and burn you alive." I think the best example would be Hitler, gays were one of the groups killed by him, basically to use an argument such as "we'll it's you're decision to go to hell because you chose not to believe" would be very much the same thing as saying that people decided to be murdered by Hitlers forces because they chose to be gay. Oh yes I did just go there, I compared god to Hitler, because they're both dictators that demand undying obedience through fear mongering tactics. Oh and "IntellectualGenius" you offered a few narrow-minded sentences to the argument, it seems to me that you're more condescending than intellectual. True intellectuals think outside of the box, your views are obviously very inside the box and your argument(if it can even be called that) is small, empty and once again just refers back to that badly misinterpreted book. Would I persuade you that dragons exist if I pointed you to a very convincing book on dragons? From the few words you've spoken here I'd put msharmony ahead of you on the genius poll.(not meant as an attack on msharmony, just at "IntellectualGenius" falling short on his claims). GOd gave the control to us,,, he is not at the wheel unless he chooses to take it from us which is His perogative as the creator,,, some will continue to expect him to remove threats and harsh consequences,, rather than just doing what is in their control to avoid them in the first place,,, I'd expect him not to use threats in the first place, it's not very becoming of a god that is all the bible says he is. I mean it's not like he's threatening a sitdown in the badboy chair, he's threatening an eternity in the fiery hells of damnation and that doesn't only apply to the rapists and murderers, it also applies to those that just choose not to believe in him based on the brutal lack of evidence. So basically a brutal punishment for using logic and thinking for ourselves, we're given the car keys then punished for driving. He sure likes head games don't he?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Mon 05/27/13 07:53 AM Edited by RKISIT on Mon 05/27/13 08:12 AM
See the problem with this god is that a lot of this going to hell and satan crap was after the Babylonian wars. Secondly the "hebrews" actually didn't believe in an afterlife.You praised and worship elohim,el or yahwah whatever they called him while you were living. Thirdly the exodus in the bible has very weak merit because the biggest exodus from egypt was by a people called the hyksos. King david was over exaggerated by israelite folklore. Everytime the israelites got their * kicked in a war it was their gods punishment.According to mythological history the israelites got their *** kick quite often. Then of course there's the new testament which is using the scare tactic of the end times coming for propaganda promotional purposes. Funny thing christians seem to forget that Peter or Paul went around telling others not to have kids cause the apocalypse is coming and both Rabbi jesus and John the baptist all preached that the end times are coming. Jesus even said he would come within his disciples lifetime.Funny thing i have yet to see or meet 12 2,000 year old jews. Don't get me wrong the bible is a cute copycat from other religions promoting deity mythological spiritual book,but that's all it is.

Jorgearturo Joined Fri 09/21/12 Posts: 108	Mon 05/27/13 08:31 AM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 05/27/13 08:48 AM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc could you pass this by us again,slow like?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Mon 05/27/13 10:23 AM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc How is god love?In the OT he's a genocidal maniac,in the NT there's going to be an apocalypse and in the Quran if you're not of islam you're going to burn in hell. Where exactly is gods love in the abrahamic faith? You can cherry pick verses in y'alls books but there's always a contradiction verse for rebuttal.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/27/13 10:29 AM
so it works out,, those who dont want to reside forever with a 'genocidal maniac' will have the option not to,,, works for me,,,,

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Mon 05/27/13 10:34 AM
so it works out,, those who dont want to reside forever with a 'genocidal maniac' will have the option not to,,, works for me,,,, Red herring i see,so how is god love if he is a genocidal maniac?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/27/13 10:51 AM
so it works out,, those who dont want to reside forever with a 'genocidal maniac' will have the option not to,,, works for me,,,, Red herring i see,so how is god love if he is a genocidal maniac? we live what we perceive hon genocidal maniac is not my words, those who perceive a God who is a genocidal maniac luck out by not having to live forever with Him not all of us see anything like a genocidal maniac though some of us see a God of love and justice and are welcoming the possibility of living forever with Him....

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Mon 05/27/13 01:13 PM
I like how Lewis Black describes it: I don't know what happened to g-d over the years, maybe he took anger management, manybe having a kid calmed him down...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/27/13 01:21 PM
cute

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Mon 05/27/13 01:34 PM
cute Thanks, you're kinda cute yourself.

Lazarus102 Joined Sun 05/19/13 Posts: 201	Mon 05/27/13 01:43 PM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc http://www.designbuzz.com/two-legs-and-a-table/ Just more proof that religious people think with their eye's closed and their ears plugged. I just simply cannot wrap my head around how such a large portion of humanity in the modern world can put such faith in a compilation of books written by people in an age in which the majority of people were dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds and with even less to do with their free time and then that book was passed on to America, badly translated into modern day language and people still hold strong the belief in a made up character written of in it's pages. I can't get the image out of my head of a horse chasing a carrot on a stick. lol.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/27/13 01:47 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 05/27/13 01:48 PM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc http://www.designbuzz.com/two-legs-and-a-table/ Just more proof that religious people think with their eye's closed and their ears plugged. I just simply cannot wrap my head around how such a large portion of humanity in the modern world can put such faith in a compilation of books written by people in an age in which the majority of people were dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds and with even less to do with their free time and then that book was passed on to America, badly translated into modern day language and people still hold strong the belief in a made up character written of in it's pages. I can't get the image out of my head of a horse chasing a carrot on a stick. lol. more proof of how we live what we perceive perhaps your perception that biblical authors were 'dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds' is as much without valid proof or logical validation as the believers perception that they wrote words which were prophetic, often scientifically correct, and true throughout time,,,(not shabby for trailer park inbreeds) its personal opinion about the integrity of the authors,, generally non believers dont have much faith in the integrity or intelligence of the authors and believers do,,, ,,but it still is about faith, even with non believers, who have a lack of faith

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Mon 05/27/13 01:55 PM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc http://www.designbuzz.com/two-legs-and-a-table/ Just more proof that religious people think with their eye's closed and their ears plugged. I just simply cannot wrap my head around how such a large portion of humanity in the modern world can put such faith in a compilation of books written by people in an age in which the majority of people were dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds and with even less to do with their free time and then that book was passed on to America, badly translated into modern day language and people still hold strong the belief in a made up character written of in it's pages. I can't get the image out of my head of a horse chasing a carrot on a stick. lol. Here I also like Lewis Black: Jews needed to be given all these rules back then, because, let's face it, they were three hairs away from being baboons.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/27/13 02:19 PM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc http://www.designbuzz.com/two-legs-and-a-table/ Just more proof that religious people think with their eye's closed and their ears plugged. I just simply cannot wrap my head around how such a large portion of humanity in the modern world can put such faith in a compilation of books written by people in an age in which the majority of people were dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds and with even less to do with their free time and then that book was passed on to America, badly translated into modern day language and people still hold strong the belief in a made up character written of in it's pages. I can't get the image out of my head of a horse chasing a carrot on a stick. lol. Here I also like Lewis Black: Jews needed to be given all these rules back then, because, let's face it, they were three hairs away from being baboons. was that an anti semitic joke? j/k

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Mon 05/27/13 02:31 PM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc http://www.designbuzz.com/two-legs-and-a-table/ Just more proof that religious people think with their eye's closed and their ears plugged. I just simply cannot wrap my head around how such a large portion of humanity in the modern world can put such faith in a compilation of books written by people in an age in which the majority of people were dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds and with even less to do with their free time and then that book was passed on to America, badly translated into modern day language and people still hold strong the belief in a made up character written of in it's pages. I can't get the image out of my head of a horse chasing a carrot on a stick. lol. Here I also like Lewis Black: Jews needed to be given all these rules back then, because, let's face it, they were three hairs away from being baboons. was that an anti semitic joke? j/k Lewis Black is jewish, so I am assuming he can get away with it.

Lazarus102 Joined Sun 05/19/13 Posts: 201	Mon 05/27/13 03:06 PM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc http://www.designbuzz.com/two-legs-and-a-table/ Just more proof that religious people think with their eye's closed and their ears plugged. I just simply cannot wrap my head around how such a large portion of humanity in the modern world can put such faith in a compilation of books written by people in an age in which the majority of people were dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds and with even less to do with their free time and then that book was passed on to America, badly translated into modern day language and people still hold strong the belief in a made up character written of in it's pages. I can't get the image out of my head of a horse chasing a carrot on a stick. lol. Here I also like Lewis Black: Jews needed to be given all these rules back then, because, let's face it, they were three hairs away from being baboons. was that an anti semitic joke? j/k Damn guy, I gotta agree with her on that one, not sure who Lewis Black is, but that sounded like a quote straight outta Hitler's book. "perhaps your perception that biblical authors were 'dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds' is as much without valid proof or logical validation" Umm that doesn't need proof or validation, it's simple common sense. Obviously people that lived 2000 years ago couldn't hold a candle to the intellect of modern man. Even the smartest people alive back then would only be considered average(at best) in this day and age. As well a lot of people we're bored out of their minds back then, they didn't have the world of entertainment literally in the palm of their hand as we do. So the lot of them had nothing better to do with their spare time than make **** up. Add to an oh so popular fanbase of god followers. I'm tellin ya, the bible is no more legit than the Klingon language fabricated by Trekkies.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/27/13 03:12 PM
God is love,not humans ,God is in heaven humans are on earth, can i go slower?so can we all understand? Now i dnt care your term on evil but that is another factor you didnt put it in the equation,theres no such thing as a two legged table the least of legs you need is three,anyway grasshopper always respect high above, you might need mercy one day,one last note, is not gonna bring you true answers when you generalize,religion,gays etc etc http://www.designbuzz.com/two-legs-and-a-table/ Just more proof that religious people think with their eye's closed and their ears plugged. I just simply cannot wrap my head around how such a large portion of humanity in the modern world can put such faith in a compilation of books written by people in an age in which the majority of people were dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds and with even less to do with their free time and then that book was passed on to America, badly translated into modern day language and people still hold strong the belief in a made up character written of in it's pages. I can't get the image out of my head of a horse chasing a carrot on a stick. lol. Here I also like Lewis Black: Jews needed to be given all these rules back then, because, let's face it, they were three hairs away from being baboons. was that an anti semitic joke? j/k Damn guy, I gotta agree with her on that one, not sure who Lewis Black is, but that sounded like a quote straight outta Hitler's book. "perhaps your perception that biblical authors were 'dumber than a pack of trailer park inbreeds' is as much without valid proof or logical validation" Umm that doesn't need proof or validation, it's simple common sense. Obviously people that lived 2000 years ago couldn't hold a candle to the intellect of modern man. Even the smartest people alive back then would only be considered average(at best) in this day and age. As well a lot of people we're bored out of their minds back then, they didn't have the world of entertainment literally in the palm of their hand as we do. So the lot of them had nothing better to do with their spare time than make **** up. Add to an oh so popular fanbase of god followers. I'm tellin ya, the bible is no more legit than the Klingon language fabricated by Trekkies. I was just joshing with TB. Familiarity sets a context for certain types of terms and jokes... and its not 'common sense' that people were dumb as rocks, thats an ASSumption by those who believe technology automatically equates to superior intelligence there are different types of intelligences, and obviously they were intelligent enough to survive and evolve socially into what we now are,,,,with much less access to 'resources' and 'technology' to do any of it for them ,,,but we all have our own perceptions,, even of what intelligence is,, I guess

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Mon 05/27/13 03:15 PM
Here I would refer you to Julian Jaynes book The Origin of Consciousness through the Breakdown of the BiCarmel Mind.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 05/27/13 03:49 PM
Technically, I don't believe in a deity, so I've come to the conclusion that there is no reason to argue about whether he or she is a good guy or a monster who kills children. So who is God? You are God. I am God. At the end of the day though, there is no God. There is no omnipresent overseer judging right and wrong, good and bad, or even righteous and sacrilegious. But quantum physics has demonstrated that we are all connected. We are God. Deal with it.