OMG this thread is killin me.


All I can say is,

Those who can, Do!.... Those who can't, Teach!

I don't. Why do you always insist on accusing people of saying things they didn't actually say? You do know what a 'strawman argument' is, don't you?

I'm a woman, and I know lots of other women. We talk about men, and about what kind off men we want. Not one of us wants a jerk. So if you want to be alone, by all means be a jerk. But if you want to be with a woman, be yourself.

If you're being yourself and can't get anywhere with a woman, maybe the problem is that you're already a jerk. Rather than trying to be a bigger one, try to be nicer.

If I were to start a thread saying that men don't want nice women and that in order to get anywhere with guys a woman should make a point of being the worst harpy/shrew/beyotch she can be, every guy in this place would come down on me like a ton of bricks - and rightfully so - saying they don't want that kind of women. Well, isn't that pretty much the same thing that's happening here?

The whole point of the thread is that we have tried being the nice guy and it hasn't done us any good.

Because it's far easier to say that than face the alternative.

Some of you need to try harder. Some men really arean't very nice at all.

And some men are nice but just haven't met the right woman yet. Just because you may think she's right for you that doesn't mean you're right for her. Relationships aren't "one size fits all".

Always give an attractive women a hard time, it sends all the right messages.

How is that a straw man when your exact words were, "Just because you can't get where you want to be with women"?

I'll tell you what is a straw man though. You trying to say that these guys here are saying that you need to be the worst jerk possible to get a woman's interest when that's clearly not what they are saying.

I understand this, but I can only speak from my own experience. And in my experience the only women I've known have reacted negatively to me being the "nice guy". There were even a couple who said they loved the fact that I was a nice guy, but in the end they left, which speaks more truth than what they said.

I can understand what the OP said, because I have seen it myself—being nice didn't do anything for me with the women I was with. In fact, it seemed to turn a lot of them off. So (from my own experience, mind you) I have not seen any proof that this "nice guy" thing actually works.

It only stands to reason then perhaps there's some truth to not being so nice—not in the essence of being a jerk, but maybe just not being too nice, because maybe the woman starts getting used to that and you become boring to her.

Just a thought....

Actually, you mentioned headstrong women twice in your "ramey" post. When you used "ramey" and headstrong together, it made it sound like you didn't like either.

Just because women don't find you funny doesn't mean they don't have a sense of humor.

I see women disagreeing with specific things that specific men are saying. I don't see man hating in here, though. Unless you guys are considering disagreeing with one guy equal to man hating, which makes no sense.

Most "nice guys" apparently are the whiny ones because they spend way too much time complaining women don't like them. Stop trying to be an archetype and just be whomever you are.

Most women and men appreciate that a lot more than the typical "nice guy or jerk" image people throw out there. Being a jerk may eventually put something in your bed, but it certainly won't be a lady. And most nice guys must not be very sincere, since they spend half their time telling and trying to prove to everyone how nice they are, and the other half fretting about it.



Yes. What to avoid in the future.

I have to agree with this. I'd much rather guys be themselves than pretend to be someone else to get women. We're going to figure out eventually that you're not who you portray yourselves to be if you're pretending. Definitely not a good thing.

Genuine nice guys aren't the ones going around telling everyone they're nice guys and whining about finishing last. The guys who are doing that really aren't all that nice to begin with.

Most men have been a jerk at one or more times in their life. I have known a few "jerks" but I do not like a "jerk".

Don't try to impress the women.
Let her impress you .

A challenge is attraction.

Come on now, REALLY? Where am I supposed to find a woman that impresses me?

Lol...really. If I actually did I'd die of shock and then I wouldn't get to enjoy it.

Ah. I think I see the problem. Some men really don't like women, and should probably just date men instead.

all women say they want a nice guy, none of them actually do. my buddy is like the nicest guy you'll ever meet. he can never find a date. i tend to be a jerk and i'm proud of it. i never have a problem getting a date. it's simply survival of the species. the passive will die out. the agressive alpha male will mate and ensure the survival of the species. that's how it was with our primative ancestors, that's how it is today.