What the...??? Why "bust the chops" of someone you're interested in?

Whatever happened to just starting a conversation? You know, not telling a woman she's beautiful (hint: most of us are far less interested in hearing compliments on our appearance than we are in just having an interesting conversation) OR hassling her about something. JUST TALK TO US LIKE WE'RE REAL PEOPLE.

How difficult can this be?

it really depends on your definition of jerk.. but, anyway, it's more of an irration with you.. i really don't like having to defend or explain myself with every other post.. so i'll be happy with whatever you want to believe, i'm not gunna defend what i believe to be true...


even in this post, i say what i feel, and now what am i doing? arguing with you...

Who needs Zucker brother movies when you can just read threads like these.

Not difficult at all really, What I explained before is it depends on the woman you are speaking to at the moment. They are not all the same.

It's called flirting. You start doing the "just having an interesting conversation" thing with a woman and before you know it she's thinking of you as just a friend.

We're not all the same? No kidding?!

Seriously, though, NONE of us want or need or deserve to be treated the way you guys are going on about. We're all REAL PEOPLE, regardless of whether we're pretty or plain, and we deserve the same respect you'd give any random guy you didn't know.

Want to talk to a woman you don't know? Walk up and say hello, introduce yourself, and just start a freakin' conversation. You can talk about the weather, how crowded the bar/restaurant/whatever is, or if you notice something that she seems to have been paying attention to (like on a TV or whatever), you could comment on that. Some of us even *gasp* watch sports. We may not live and die by the fate of our team, but if the game is on at the bar and someone's just hit a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth, chances are we've noticed.

You don't know many actual women, do you?

Just having an interesting conversation will capture the interest of an interesting woman who might actually be worth dating. Blatant flirting really only works on bimbos and shallow women. I suppose if bimbos are what you want, go for it. But if you want a woman with some substance, conversation is key.

So via, how long have you been holding that finely tuned viola?

I met a buddy of mine at a pool hall/bar. He told me beforehand, He was with a girl and her friend. When I get there, Her friend was a hard 9 pushing 10. My buddy playfully says to her, "Hey my friend here is pretty good with the gift of gab" She looks at me quickly crosses her arms defensively and says "I bet you can't pick me up, With your lines Mr. smooth talker" So I looked at her smiled and said.. "Well I'm sure I could if you were my type, But hey we can be friends right?" That changed the whole ball game. She uncrossed her arms started giggling and laughing. Then as she had a few drinks asked me why she wasn't my type, Then it progressed from there. When they cant have something is when they want it most.

You're right, If you're describing trying to peak the interest of oh say a librarian. In the real world, Going up to an attractive woman and saying "Hi i'm Tom i'm into stamp collecting, Would you like to have a deep and meaningful conversation about world issues?" Will get you as far as a bicycle will with a flat tire.

Ah, so you don't know many women either. Got it.

Why did you have to go dis on the poor stamp collectors? They have feelings to you know.

Keep telling yourself that lol

I get on with women that are down to earth and not full of themselves. Calling them shallow bimbos is rather pejoritive, don't you think?

I agree totally, A woman might not want to admit she'd prefer someone funny, charming, and witty. However go out there and try the boring serious guy card. You'll find yourself alone many a night. Simply because of this, Does not make them bimbos or shallow.

Down-to-earth women are the ones who don't need to be complimented every second or approached with slick lines. The shallow bimbos are the ones you have to do that with.

Funny, charming and witty guys don't go around using slick pick-up lines on women or think they have to open every conversation with a new woman by using either a compliment or a put-down.

And since when does "interesting conversation" translate to "boring serious guy"? Those are mutually exclusive, if you think about it. If he's making interesting conversation, he isn't boring. If he's boring, then it isn't an interesting conversation.

I love an interesting, genuine conversation. I can't stand cheesy pick-up lines, and most guys who start conversations by dropping compliments on my appearance strike me as insincere or insecure (take your pick). But if a guy talks to me like I'm a human being rather than a piece of meat or some strange alien species just for being female, he's likely to capture my interest and get a date with me.

Come to think of it, that's the ONLY way any guy's ever gotten a date with me.

I'd have to disagree with you there. An attractive woman is approached by men all the time. Simply because she would like someone that isn't drooling all over her. Makes her laugh, Knows something the other guys do not. Doesn't make her a shallow bimbo.

It just makes her selective. That's not a bad thing.