Are we still going here?

Well, I guess it isn't a BAD thing if a woman wants to polish my torpedo on the first date. Just don't assume I am going to take it to mean anything! But if the sex is all that don't be surprised if I call later to ask for seconds!

That's the "more" you keep saying women want. Women have given you many reasons why they want a relationship, but you keep going back to the reasons you believe they want a relationship.

It's always about money for you isn't it Tex. Yeah, probably most women are looking for marriage eventually or at least want a longterm relationship. A lot of men want that too. Women do have jobs and earn their own money these days and don't really need men to support them as you point out. I remember a conversation a woman started on another site where she said that her boyfriend was always giving her a hard time about buying new shoes all the time and she felt like that she had to smuggle them into the house so that he wouldn't moan about it. But she had a job and was using her own money.

You don't want to get married and you don't want a woman spending your money. Then don't get married or don't have a joint bank acount with someone. You say that you are happy to spend money on a date but you expect sex and then you go on about women being whores. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. You must be trolling.

Some women do want "more." So you first have to figure out what that "more" is.

If she is young, she may want marriage and children. If that is the case, she would not be too smart to just hook up with some looser who has no job, no business, no money, and no way to help her raise children. THAT is why women are interested in money and property. Because ultimately, the woman will get stuck with the children if the relationship does not work and she wants a HOUSE and a way to provide for them.

So she also wants a commitment and a man who is in it for the long haul.

That is "more."

Now for older women:

They don't usually want children or they already have them and they probably don't want to raise your children from another marriage.

They probably want companionship and some financial support. Women still don't make as much money as men do in this society in general. So if you expect her to provide sex and cooking and house "wifey" duties then you should provide financial support for her contribution. And she should contribute more than just sex, but she is not to be considered your maid, housekeeper, secretary and sex partner in exchange for room and board. She can get room and board plus a salary taking care of the elderly or being a maid and no sex is required.

But men should realize that women are not as excited about sex as you are and you are not doing them a favor providing your sexual services no matter how good you think you are, therefore they might have something you want and you are not 'entitled' to it just because she is dating you or even living with you.

I needed a divorce in a bad way from my husband because being married, you will often collect the Karma and debts incurred by your spouse. There is a legal connection like a partnership going on. People are more careful about picking a business partner than about who they marry. Marriage is easier to get into than out of. It should never be entered into just for "love" which is often just temporary "infatuation."

There should probably always be a pre-nup because marriage is not about "love" it is about assets and business. It is a contract that involves THE STATE.

If a woman wants children, she should wait to have them until she can afford to provide for them. Preventing pregnancy is not difficult and if it does happen by accident there are options.

That is ridiculous.

First of all, the only way a woman could earn enough money to raise children on her own is to go to college for four or eight years and work as a professional, but then she will not have the time to raise children.

News flash Texas, it take two people to raise a family.

If a woman wants children she needs to find a responsible man who want the same thing and is willing to share the responsibility.

I didn't say she should do it alone. I said she should be sure there are enough assets on hand before getting pregnant. At the very least she should discus it with the man before she gets pregnant. And if he say no, she should either accept it and remain childless or leave him and find another man.

There are still women that trap men this way.

I didn't say she should do it alone. I said she should be sure there are enough assets on hand before getting pregnant.

Not. I'm 54 and sex on the first date is ok. second date ok third date ok pretty soon were having sex everyday and we might just as well live together.

Why can't you go out on a first date and have no stress? If I go out on a first date with someone, before I even meet them..I know that sex won't be part of the date. It is not a mind game I play, it is just a rule I have for myself.
If someone takes me out and expects me to have sex just because he bought my supper or took me to a movie...sorry dude you just took out the wrong lady. I want respect and I think I deserve respect.
I swear now a days people just have sex with just about anyone that will put out...this is mostly why I won't date. I just think men can be such pains and sometimes they don't take no as NO.
I once went out on a date with what I thought was a very nice guy, we went to dinner. I was very good friends with his cousin and she fixed us up. He asked me if he could call me again and I said please do. I was home for about 15 minutes and his cousin called and said well he will never call you again. I was shocked and asked why...she said oh he really liked you but you didn't put out.
I told her to tell him to kiss my sweet a$$ good bye he would never get a chance with me again.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SEX ON THE FIRST DATE...TAKE SOME TIME TO KNOW SOMEONE. IT IS CALLED MORALS AND RESPECT!!!