So, she knows she wants sex, but doesn't know if she wants a relationship him. These are separate issues. She wants to see if he'll stick around and actually have a relationship with her. She thinks she'll gain something from a relationship she won't with only sex. Therefore, it's a play for power.

She wants him to earn sex. As if sex with her is some kind of favor she doing for him.

Head game.

Well, you'll have to discuss that with the women who gave that reason. I was just pointing out you were given reasons. That's all.

Yeah, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Just as I see nothing wrong with those who want to have sex quickly. Everyone has preferences. Some preferences may not work for others, though.

the voice of logic, and why must everything be a "game" with you Tex, it's like you have major trust and insecurity issues (which by a lot of your posts are pretty obvious)

I explained all that a couple of pages ago. Haven't you been keeping up?

Also, I'm fascinated by peoples motivations. So many things in relationships are counterintuitive. We all spend time thinking about the best way to proceed in a relationship. I'm just trying to learn about the way women think about it and what issues are important to them.

Today men and women are equal. Why do so many women still insist on having a relationship if she doesn't need a man to support her? Tradition? Because she likes the idea of a man doing all the work while she sits back and spends his money? I don't know, I'm asking.

Women spend so much time and energy bashing men, but still want relationships with them. Why? Wouldn't they be better off without a man getting in their way?

I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

He's said he has major trust issues. Maybe that's why he assumes most women are playing games?

And here it is again. A woman can withhold sex until she trusts a man, but if a man withholds making commitment until he feels he can trust her he has trust issues.

the voice of logic, and why must everything be a "game" with you Tex, it's like you have major trust and insecurity issues (which by a lot of your posts are pretty obvious)


I explained all that a couple of pages ago. Haven't you been keeping up?

Today men and women are equal. Why do so many women still insist on having a relationship if she doesn't need a man to support her? Tradition? Because she likes the idea of a man doing all the work while she sits back and spends his money? I don't know, I'm asking.

Women spend so much time and energy bashing men, but still want relationships with them. Why? Wouldn't they be better off without a man getting in their way?

I'm just trying to make sense of it all.


haha touche, yea I read what you have to say (well anymore just SKIM through) but actually you always basically say the same woman bashing things (see above) and maybe women bash men because men bash women what a virulent cycle...................

Women are the 8th wonder of the world !

Whether i get sex or not...{damn it}

FYI women will never be considered equal until men can become pregnant and give birth.................

That's an assumption, Tex. Some of us are truly doing it all on our own, no child support, and no alimony. Just us, busting our tails to make sure our child/ren have everything they need, maybe not everything they want, but definitely need.

I don't bash women. I've never said women are less than men in any way. I've never said women aren't equal to men. I simply ask what they have to offer a man that he doesn't already have. But, I feel exactly the same way about men. What do men have to offer women in a relationship? Do you remember the old feminist rhetoric "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"? I think this is a true statement. Women and men don't need each other. If they don't need each other, why do they still insist on having relationships with each other? The only answer I can come up with is sex. If you have something else, I'd be happy to hear it. I really would.

This is the 21 century. Pregnancy is a choice.

But you do come off as bashing women with the attitude that women aren't good for anything but sex to you. You may not see it that way, but that's the way it comes off to others.

I have no control over others interpretations. I think men and women each have their strengths and weaknesses, but overall, we're all equal.

Look at it this way, if Texasscoundrel had no need or desire for sex, he would probably not be interested in women at all, any more than he would be interested in friendship with a person of any sex. I think he treats women very much as equals.

Women are not used to really being treated as equal, they expect special treatment.

OMG! YES! This is the sense of entitlement I've mentioned a few times.

Now, if you ladies would prefer I treat you like children, I can do that. I can pat your little heads and say "there, there." But, is that what you really want? Or do you want me to treat you like an equal?

Women want equal pay and equal opportunity in business and yet (men and women) are so programmed with traditional sexist roles that until we can mentally free ourselves from those roles completely equality is almost impossible.

Imagine a world where everyone is both male and female and you could have sex with anyone. Imagine that every person has all the equipment of both sexes and people are only attracted to their mates by their personality and how well they get along. They can decide when to procreate, and who will bear the child.

That's equality.

You think it's a sense of entitlement because some women might want more than to only be wanted for sex? Really?

But this is precisely the reason why good relationships work; because men and women both have their strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately, someone like yourself that is unwilling to compromise in a relationship will always fail at them. You never back down in an argument. You claim to ask questions because you want to understand women but really you just think you know it all and want to have a go at them.